Hello everybody!

So I have my badareas.lst location defined in echocfg like this,

../Logs/badareas.lst

But when I go into a message group and want to import the badareas.lst the location is here,

../data/badareas.lst

Where else is this location defined so I can have them match?

Thanks,
RickV


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Re: Badareas.lst location
By: RickV to All on Wed Sep 24 2025 06:17 pm

Hello everybody!

So I have my badareas.lst location defined in echocfg like this,

../Logs/badareas.lst

But when I go into a message group and want to import the badareas.lst the location is here,

../data/badareas.lst

Where else is this location defined so I can have them match?

The only place that is defined is in your ctrl/sbbsecho.ini file (which can be edited using echocfg) - the default value is "../data/badareas.lst", so it looks like you changed it:
BadAreaFile = ../data/badareas.lst
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Hello everybody!

So I have my badareas.lst location defined in echocfg like this,

../Logs/badareas.lst

But when I go into a message group and want to import the badareas.lst
the location is here,

../data/badareas.lst

Why would you do that? (put it in a Logs directory).

It's not a log. It's a list of bad (undefined) echo areas. Keep it in ../data where it belongs, and where other parts of SBBS expect it to be. Sheesh.



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Hello Digital!

19 Apr 71 23:13, you wrote to me:

Re: Badareas.lst location
By: RickV to All on Wed Sep 24 2025 06:17 pm

Hello everybody!

So I have my badareas.lst location defined in echocfg like this,

../Logs/badareas.lst

But when I go into a message group and want to import the
badareas.lst the location is here,

../data/badareas.lst

Where else is this location defined so I can have them match?

The only place that is defined is in your ctrl/sbbsecho.ini file
(which can be edited using echocfg) - the default value is "../data/badareas.lst", so it looks like you changed it: BadAreaFile = ../data/badareas.lst
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Yes I did change it to ../logs/badareas.lst, that's where I want it. But when I try and import the badareas it's shows ../data/badareas.lst, I then have to change it to where the file is. ../logs. Why is it not seeing it where I have it set to? Thanks my question.

Could this be a bug?

RickV


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Hello Dan!

20 Apr 71 03:37, you wrote to me:

RickV wrote to All <=-

Hello everybody!

So I have my badareas.lst location defined in echocfg like this,

../Logs/badareas.lst

But when I go into a message group and want to import the
badareas.lst the location is here,

../data/badareas.lst

Why would you do that? (put it in a Logs directory).

It's not a log. It's a list of bad (undefined) echo areas. Keep it
in ../data where it belongs, and where other parts of SBBS expect it
to be. Sheesh.

Ok, but don't you think it should work as defined in the config setting you set? Also why then is it DEFINABLE?

Geeez
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Re: Badareas.lst location
By: RickV to Digital Man on Wed Sep 24 2025 09:57 pm

Hello Digital!

19 Apr 71 23:13, you wrote to me:

Re: Badareas.lst location
By: RickV to All on Wed Sep 24 2025 06:17 pm

Hello everybody!

So I have my badareas.lst location defined in echocfg like this,

../Logs/badareas.lst

But when I go into a message group and want to import the
badareas.lst the location is here,

../data/badareas.lst

Where else is this location defined so I can have them match?

The only place that is defined is in your ctrl/sbbsecho.ini file
(which can be edited using echocfg) - the default value is "../data/badareas.lst", so it looks like you changed it: BadAreaFile = ../data/badareas.lst

Yes I did change it to

../logs/badareas.lst, that's where I want it. But

when I try and import the badareas it's shows ../data/badareas.lst, I then have to change it to where the file is. ../logs. Why is it not seeing it where I have it set to? Thanks my question.

Because SCFG doesn't read or write to the sbbsecho.ini file.

Could this be a bug?

No, operating as designed.
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Hello Digital!

20 Apr 71 01:55, you wrote to me:

Re: Badareas.lst location
By: RickV to Digital Man on Wed Sep 24 2025 09:57 pm

Hello Digital!

19 Apr 71 23:13, you wrote to me:

Re: Badareas.lst location
By: RickV to All on Wed Sep 24 2025 06:17 pm

Hello everybody!

So I have my badareas.lst location defined in echocfg like

this,

../Logs/badareas.lst

But when I go into a message group and want to import the
badareas.lst the location is here,

../data/badareas.lst

Where else is this location defined so I can have them match?

The only place that is defined is in your ctrl/sbbsecho.ini

file

(which can be edited using echocfg) - the default value is
"../data/badareas.lst", so it looks like you changed it:

BadAreaFile =

../data/badareas.lst

Yes I did change it to

../logs/badareas.lst, that's where I want it. But

when I try and import the badareas it's shows ../data/badareas.lst,
I then have to change it to where the file is. ../logs. Why is it
not seeing it where I have it set to? Thanks my question.

Because SCFG doesn't read or write to the sbbsecho.ini file.

Could this be a bug?

No, operating as designed.
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OK, certainly not a big deal. Can I ask why the option to put it in a different directory then?

Thanks,
RickV


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RickV wrote to Dan Clough <=-

So I have my badareas.lst location defined in echocfg like this,
../Logs/badareas.lst

But when I go into a message group and want to import the
badareas.lst the location is here,

../data/badareas.lst

Why would you do that? (put it in a Logs directory).

It's not a log. It's a list of bad (undefined) echo areas. Keep it
in ../data where it belongs, and where other parts of SBBS expect it
to be. Sheesh.

Ok, but don't you think it should work as defined in the config setting you set? Also why then is it DEFINABLE?

Well, yes. I got curious and went to check what you're saying. I
changed the defined location of 'badareas.lst' (in sbbsecho.ini, using Echocfg). Then I went into SCFG/Message Areas/Message Group/Import Areas/badareas.lst ... and ... it still showed the location as ../data/badareas.lst . So it does appear to be broken, as you said.

Digitalman - seems like this is a bug to me. The function in SCFG is
not reading the defined location of 'badareas.lst' and seems hard-wired
to ../data/badareas.lst .



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Re: Badareas.lst location
By: RickV to Digital Man on Thu Sep 25 2025 06:39 am

OK, certainly not a big deal. Can I ask why the option to put it in a different directory then?

You can name the file whatever you like and place it whatever you like. The file has uses beyond just importing into SCFG.

If you think it's a bug, then file a bug report at gitlab.synchro.net
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Re: Re: Badareas.lst location
By: Gamgee to RickV on Thu Sep 25 2025 09:19 am

Digitalman - seems like this is a bug to me. The function in SCFG is
not reading the defined location of 'badareas.lst' and seems hard-wired
to ../data/badareas.lst .

That's just the default value in the input dialog; typing a different value overrides the default.

Yes in theory, SCFG could read the sbbsecho.ini file to find whatever path/filename the sysop chose to name that file. However, a sysop can create/use multiple sbbsecho configuration files (they don't have to be ctrl/sbbsecho.ini), so SCFG wouldn't magically know how to find any other non-default SBBSecho config files.

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Hello Gamgee!

21 Apr 71 01:34, you wrote to me:

RickV wrote to Dan Clough <=-

So I have my badareas.lst location defined in echocfg like this,
../Logs/badareas.lst

But when I go into a message group and want to import the
badareas.lst the location is here,

../data/badareas.lst

Why would you do that? (put it in a Logs directory).

It's not a log. It's a list of bad (undefined) echo areas. Keep
it in ../data where it belongs, and where other parts of SBBS
expect it to be. Sheesh.

Ok, but don't you think it should work as defined in the config
setting you set? Also why then is it DEFINABLE?

Well, yes. I got curious and went to check what you're saying. I
changed the defined location of 'badareas.lst' (in sbbsecho.ini, using
Echocfg). Then I went into SCFG/Message Areas/Message Group/Import
Areas/badareas.lst ... and ... it still showed the location as
../data/badareas.lst . So it does appear to be broken, as you said.

Digitalman - seems like this is a bug to me. The function in SCFG is
not reading the defined location of 'badareas.lst' and seems
hard-wired to ../data/badareas.lst .

Digital Man did say "it's operating as designed", so for some reason that's the way it suppose to be.


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Re: Re: Badareas.lst location
By: Gamgee to RickV on Thu Sep 25 2025 09:19 am

Digitalman - seems like this is a bug to me. The function in SCFG is
not reading the defined location of 'badareas.lst' and seems hard-wired
to ../data/badareas.lst .

That's just the default value in the input dialog; typing a different value overrides the default.

Okay, understood.

Yes in theory, SCFG could read the sbbsecho.ini file to find whatever path/filename the sysop chose to name that file. However, a sysop can create/use multiple sbbsecho configuration files (they don't have to be ctrl/sbbsecho.ini), so SCFG wouldn't magically know how to find any
other non-default SBBSecho config files.

That seems a pretty niche use-case - I'd guess that VERY few sysops are
using multiple sbbsecho.ini files. If somebody *was*, then yes I could
see how they might need to type in a new value in the input dialog to
import that badareas.lst into SCFG. But for the other 99% ...? To be
fair - I see ZERO reason to change it from the default location anyway.

I guess my question then is - does the location specified in
sbbsecho.ini for the badareas.lst file actually make that file get created/updated in the location specified? Or will it always go to
../data ?

If you think it's a bug, file a bug report.

I don't have the issue myself, and use the default location for
badareas.lst ... was just conversing with the OP. I will let him worry
about a bug report, if he desires. :-) Thanks.


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Re: Re: Badareas.lst location
By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Thu Sep 25 2025 01:51 pm

Yes in theory, SCFG could read the sbbsecho.ini file to find whatever path/filename the sysop chose to name that file. However, a sysop can create/use multiple sbbsecho configuration files (they don't have to be ctrl/sbbsecho.ini), so SCFG wouldn't magically know how to find any other non-default SBBSecho config files.

That seems a pretty niche use-case - I'd guess that VERY few sysops are using multiple sbbsecho.ini files. If somebody *was*, then yes I could
see how they might need to type in a new value in the input dialog to
import that badareas.lst into SCFG. But for the other 99% ...? To be
fair - I see ZERO reason to change it from the default location anyway.

If a sysop had multiple sbbsecho config files and they all used the default badareas.lst file path (which seems unlikely), then the sysop would not need to type in a new value if/when importing that badareas.lst file into SCFG. I only mentioned the sbbsecho.ini file issue because it means that desired/expected behavior is that the bad area file path is pulled from that file automatically, but there's really no way for SCFG to know what sbbsecho config file path/filename that SBBSecho is *actually* using.

I guess my question then is - does the location specified in
sbbsecho.ini for the badareas.lst file actually make that file get created/updated in the location specified?

Yes.

Or will it always go to ../data ?

No, the path/filename set in sbbsecho.ini is what SBBSecho (or at least the instance that runs with that config file) will update/write when messages for bad area-tags are received.
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Re: Re: Badareas.lst location
By: Gamgee to Digital Man on Thu Sep 25 2025 01:51 pm

Yes in theory, SCFG could read the sbbsecho.ini file to find whatever path/filename the sysop chose to name that file. However, a sysop can create/use multiple sbbsecho configuration files (they don't have to be ctrl/sbbsecho.ini), so SCFG wouldn't magically know how to find any other non-default SBBSecho config files.

That seems a pretty niche use-case - I'd guess that VERY few sysops are using multiple sbbsecho.ini files. If somebody *was*, then yes I could
see how they might need to type in a new value in the input dialog to
import that badareas.lst into SCFG. But for the other 99% ...? To be
fair - I see ZERO reason to change it from the default location anyway.

If a sysop had multiple sbbsecho config files and they all used the default badareas.lst file path (which seems unlikely), then the sysop would not need to type in a new value if/when importing that
badareas.lst file into SCFG. I only mentioned the sbbsecho.ini file
issue because it means that desired/expected behavior is that the bad
area file path is pulled from that file automatically, but there's
really no way for SCFG to know what sbbsecho config file path/filename that SBBSecho is *actually* using.

Okay, understood, thanks.

I guess my question then is - does the location specified in
sbbsecho.ini for the badareas.lst file actually make that file get created/updated in the location specified?

Yes.

Roger that.

Or will it always go to ../data ?

No, the path/filename set in sbbsecho.ini is what SBBSecho (or at least the instance that runs with that config file) will update/write when messages for bad area-tags are received.

Very good, thank you for the explanation/clarification.



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Hey RickV!

On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 12:46:30 -0500, you wrote:

Digital Man did say "it's operating as designed", so for some reason
that's the way it suppose to be.

SCFG isn't reading what you have set in sbbsecho.ini. It's simply displaying an example (which is the default location of where badareas.lst is located).

If you have it set to something else, you would have to change the default that is displayed to you. And as soon as you type one character, the entire example/default disappears and allows you to type in whatever you wish.

Since it is operating as expected, you could ask for a "feature request" via the same link provided by Digital Man, and ask that SCFG reads your sbbsecho.ini for something like that. But as he mentioned already, if you decide to use a different sbbsecho.ini or rename it, you'll be back to square one wondering why it doesn't work the way you expect it to, again.

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Hey Digital!

On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:35:10 -0700, you wrote:

No, the path/filename set in sbbsecho.ini is what SBBSecho (or at least
the instance that runs with that config file) will update/write when messages for bad area-tags are received.

Maybe explaining this from another direction (to others) may help, and correct me if I'm wrong here:

If a BBS prompted you for your user name with an example/defult:

User Name: [ John Doe ]

But as soon as you type a character, it prints that character and wipes out the example to allow you to continue. Even if you were to hit "Enter" with John Doe there, it wouldn't save that username to the user base, because it's just displayed to assist you as an example.

Basically the same situation?

Regards,
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Re: Badareas.lst location
By: Accession to Digital Man on Thu Sep 25 2025 06:10 pm

User Name: [ John Doe ]

But as soon as you type a character, it prints that character and wipes out the example to allow you to continue. Even if you were to hit "Enter" with John Doe there, it wouldn't save that username to the user base, because it's just displayed to assist you as an example.

Basically the same situation?

Exactly.
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