Lots of team meetings coming up with the Rocky Linux folks. Going to be a busyt 2 months.

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Re: Rocky Linux
By: Warp 4 to All on Fri Sep 05 2025 01:28 pm

Lots of team meetings coming up with the Rocky Linux folks. Going to be a bu

Using Rocky Linux in a work or personal environment? I run my synchronet
linux bbs on Rocky Linux 9.6
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Re: Rocky Linux
By: Warp 4 to All on Fri Sep 05 2025 01:28 pm

Lots of team meetings coming up with the Rocky Linux folks.
Going to be a busyt 2 months.

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tell them about that type you had phpmyadmin as root on your web with no
login and i went in there and secured your system. that would be good for a laugh.
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Re: Rocky Linux
By: Warp 4 to All on Fri Sep 05 2025 01:28 pm

Lots of team meetings coming up with the Rocky Linux folks. Going to be

Using Rocky Linux in a work or personal environment? I run my synchronet linux bbs on Rocky Linux 9.6

Personal. Mainly to keep my red hat skills active. :)

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Warp 4 wrote to Amessyroom <=-

Personal. Mainly to keep my red hat skills active. :)

I'm an Ubuntu/Debian guy for the last couple of years. Unfortunately, my
new corporate environment is all RedHat and SuSe. I didn't think SuSe
was still around? Apparently, SAP runs on it and it's free.



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I'm an Ubuntu/Debian guy for the last couple of years. Unfortunately, my
new corporate environment is all RedHat and SuSe. I didn't think SuSe
was still around? Apparently, SAP runs on it and it's free.

IIRC, SuSe has been tied to a commercial entity somehow. For some reason,
I was thinking RedHat but maybe not?

Wikipedia says SuSe is a fork of RedHat and was acquired by Novell, and the FOSS version became OpenSUSE. Novell has since been acquired by
Attachmate (whose products I am familiar with), and Attachmate was later
merged with Micro Focus (whose products I am also familiar with).

Sounds like, commercially, SuSe is still around, and may be popular with
folks who bought it from Novell or successors.


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Sounds like, commercially, SuSe is still around, and may be popular
with folks who bought it from Novell or successors.

OpenSuSe seems to be the preferred F/OSS linux to run SAP. Guess I'll
learn how to run it this year. :)



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On 12 Sep 2025, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Warp 4 wrote to Amessyroom <=-

Personal. Mainly to keep my red hat skills active. :)

I'm an Ubuntu/Debian guy for the last couple of years. Unfortunately, my new corporate environment is all RedHat and SuSe. I didn't think SuSe
was still around? Apparently, SAP runs on it and it's free.

OpenSuSE is.. I think SuSE is "sold" under the same "licensing" RHEL is. In that what you really pay for is Enterprise Support.

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Re: Re: Rocky Linux
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Sep 12 2025 18:36:42

Sounds like, commercially, SuSe is still around, and may be popular with folks who bought it from Novell or successors.

On DistroWatch I couldn't find a listing for "SUSE Linux", but OpenSUSE is currently the third most popular DL'ed distro.

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Mortar wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Re: Re: Rocky Linux
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Sep 12 2025 18:36:42

Sounds like, commercially, SuSe is still around, and may be popular with folks who bought it from Novell or successors.

On DistroWatch I couldn't find a listing for "SUSE Linux", but OpenSUSE
is currently the third most popular DL'ed distro.

The former "SUSE Linux" is now commercial/paid only, like the original
RedHat. Not sure what it's actual name is now though.

I'm curious what you're basing the statement of OpenSUSE being the third
most popular distro is though... I don't see any indication of that on Distrowatch.



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Hey Gamgee!

On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:51:06 -0500, you wrote:

The former "SUSE Linux" is now commercial/paid only, like the original RedHat. Not sure what it's actual name is now though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_Enterprise

I'm not going to look, but maybe Distrowatch has them listed as SLES and SLED (Server and Desktop editions)? Eh well, not interested anyway. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Accession wrote to Gamgee <=-

The former "SUSE Linux" is now commercial/paid only, like the original RedHat. Not sure what it's actual name is now though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux_Enterprise

Ahh yes, that sounds vaguely familiar, thanks.

I'm not going to look, but maybe Distrowatch has them listed as SLES
and SLED (Server and Desktop editions)? Eh well, not interested anyway.
;)

Hehe, yeah me neither. Always thought Suse was weird even back before
it "split". Certainly don't have any interest in it now.



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Hey Gamgee!

On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 21:15:22 -0500, you wrote:

Hehe, yeah me neither. Always thought Suse was weird even back before
it "split". Certainly don't have any interest in it now.

Same goes for Mandrake, Mandriva, or RedHat and anything that spawned from RedHat. I can't say anything bad about any of them, as I've never used them. None of them ever interested me, though.. and I don't even know why. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: Rocky Linux
By: Gamgee to Accession on Thu Sep 25 2025 09:15 pm

Hehe, yeah me neither. Always thought Suse was weird even back before it "split". Certainly don't have any interest in it now.

Although I had tried Slackware in the mid-90s, SuSE was one of the first Linux distros I seriously got into, around 1999 or so. At the time, SuSE had its own configurator for X that I found to be more successful at detecting my video hardware and its valid settings, so I was able to get XFree86 running fairly easily with SuSE. Also, it had a fairly large repository of included software (and from what I remember, it was one of the earlier distibutions available for DVD-R, whereas most other distros at the time were on a CD or two).

Eventually though, its X configurator didn't work so well anymore, and I moved on to other Linux distros. I found similar problems with other Linux distros around that time, where one version would work fairly well but the next version wouldn't. It seems like most Linux distros these days don't really have that issue.

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Accession wrote to Gamgee <=-

Hehe, yeah me neither. Always thought Suse was weird even back before
it "split". Certainly don't have any interest in it now.

Same goes for Mandrake, Mandriva, or RedHat and anything that spawned
from RedHat. I can't say anything bad about any of them, as I've never used them. None of them ever interested me, though.. and I don't even
know why. ;)

I did use the original Mandrake for a couple of years way back when, and
liked it a lot. Then it got weird too (I think because Gnome went down
the shitter), and I went back to my first love, Slackware. :-)

I think the distros I don't like are usually because of their package management method. Strange because I liked Mandrake even though it used
the Redhat-style RPMs, but it had a nice front-end for that, called
"URPMI", I think.



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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Rocky Linux
By: Gamgee to Accession on Thu Sep 25 2025 09:15 pm

Hehe, yeah me neither. Always thought Suse was weird even back before it "split". Certainly don't have any interest in it now.

Although I had tried Slackware in the mid-90s, SuSE was one of the
first Linux distros I seriously got into, around 1999 or so. At the
time, SuSE had its own configurator for X that I found to be more successful at detecting my video hardware and its valid settings, so I
was able to get XFree86 running fairly easily with SuSE. Also, it had
a fairly large repository of included software (and from what I
remember, it was one of the earlier distibutions available for DVD-R, whereas most other distros at the time were on a CD or two).

Eventually though, its X configurator didn't work so well anymore, and
I moved on to other Linux distros. I found similar problems with other Linux distros around that time, where one version would work fairly
well but the next version wouldn't. It seems like most Linux distros these days don't really have that issue.

Yes, I remember having to configure "modelines" and stuff like that in
an X config file. Not much fun as I recall... I think I always did it
just with an editor though, don't remember any configurators. And yes,
that isn't a thing any more, I guess X itself is more able to detect the hardware and adjust to it automagically.



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Same goes for Mandrake, Mandriva, or RedHat and anything that spawned
from RedHat. I can't say anything bad about any of them, as I've never used them. None of them ever interested me, though.. and I don't even
know why. ;)

Mandrake was the first Linux I used. It was an early boxed Linux for non-commercial users and was actually quite good. It took off like Ubuntu did later.

But they grew so fast that they thought that they needed someone to be a business manager. TL;DR the "business manager" folk ran the company into the ground.

As they tried to get everything back together (sans "business manager") they merged with another dist called Connectiva (from Brazil?). Hence Mandriva now.

Mandriva is very polished and probably one of the best distros for non-commercial users of Linux. Right now, my systems run Ubuntu, but when it's time for a tech refresh, it will be Mandriva for me.

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Hey Dr!

On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 09:02:00 +0000, you wrote:

As they tried to get everything back together (sans "business manager")
they merged with another dist called Connectiva (from Brazil?). Hence Mandriva now.

The last Mandriva release was in 2011. Most devs went over to Mageia, and then some started OpenMandriva Lx around 2016.

Mandriva is very polished and probably one of the best distros for non-commercial users of Linux. Right now, my systems run Ubuntu, but
when it's time for a tech refresh, it will be Mandriva for me.

I'm assuming you're referring to OpenMandriva Lx here, which might still have some devs from the original Mandriva, but is a completely different distro.

Regards,
Nick

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I'm assuming you're referring to OpenMandriva Lx here, which might
still have some devs from the original Mandriva, but is a completely different distro.

That's good to know. Mandriva sort of fell off my radar a while ago (as far as what the company was doing).

I just assumed that OpenMandriva was the latest rev of Mandriva with less corporation and more community.


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Re: Re: Rocky Linux
By: Dr. What to Accession on Mon Sep 29 2025 07:10 am

I just assumed that OpenMandriva was the latest rev of Mandriva with less corporation and more community.

Ah the marketing power of the word "Open" these days.

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Hey Dr!

On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 07:10:00 -0400, you wrote:

I just assumed that OpenMandriva was the latest rev of Mandriva with
less corporation and more community.

Not having looked into it, but I'd have to agree that it is probably /much/ more community based these days.

That said, I think they still go by some sort of release cycle, like every 6 months or a year or something. That doesn't really interest me at all for a full fledged desktop distribution. Heck, I even update my GUI-less server VMs weekly. I like having new and shiny things, even if once in a while they give you problems you need to figure out. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hey phigan!

On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 09:28:38 -0700, you wrote:

Ah the marketing power of the word "Open" these days.

I think it's the same for any distro that users "Open" in their name. The entire distro is free and open source. If you want anything proprietary, you have to manually enable a different repository to access it. After that, it's probably not so much "open" any more. ;)

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Re: Rocky Linux
By: Accession to phigan on Mon Sep 29 2025 03:58 pm

I think it's the same for any distro that users "Open" in their name. The entire distro is free and open source. If you want anything proprietary, you

Linux distros, maybe. There have been some OSes/products with the word Open that ... weren't. OpenVMS is one, I think.

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Re: Re: Rocky Linux
By: Gamgee to Mortar on Thu Sep 25 2025 13:51:07

I'm curious what you're basing the statement of OpenSUSE being the third most popular distro is though... I don't see any indication of that on Distrowatch.

Natually, I can't find the page I saw it on, but it was on DW. They have a popularity by page hits, but that doesn't mean anything. If I stumble on it again, I'll report back.

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phigan wrote to Accession <=-

Re: Rocky Linux
By: Accession to phigan on Mon Sep 29 2025 03:58 pm

I think it's the same for any distro that users "Open" in their name. The entire distro is free and open source. If you want anything proprietary, you

Linux distros, maybe. There have been some OSes/products with the word Open that ... weren't. OpenVMS is one, I think.

Well, yeah.... The discussion topic was .... Linux distros, after all.



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