• Real Modem on VOIP?

    From ray@3:633/2744.12 to All on Mon Sep 7 12:59:13 2026
    I have a USB V.everything modem, the big black one. Has anyone had
    any luck using and old modem on VOIP? You would think there would be
    something to convert VOIP to POT.

    --- Retro BBS
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to ray on Mon Sep 7 18:57:39 2026
    Hello ray,

    07 Sep 26 12:59, you wrote to All:

    I have a USB V.everything modem, the big black one. Has anyone had
    any luck using and old modem on VOIP? You would think there would be something to convert VOIP to POT.

    The problem with running a dialup modem via VoIP is that digigal, a la VoIP, doesn't allow for the full signal bandwidth that analog does so you're be restricted to about 2400BPS ("baud") at best. Some have been able to get more but that's not a common thing.

    In short, analog dialup uses a sine wave but digital converts the sine wave into a square wave, therefore basically cutting the signal "at the knees", if you will. It's greatly oversimplifed here but that's the the basic idea.

    -- Sean

    ... Chemists have solutions!
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  • From Bo Holt@1:129/305 to Ray on Mon Sep 7 21:31:47 2026
    I have a USB V.everything modem, the big black one. Has anyone had
    any luck using and old modem on VOIP? You would think there would be something to convert VOIP to POT.

    --- Retro BBS
    * Origin: Retro BBS (3:633/2744.12)

    I am actually actively working on this project right now. So far not sure if the Grandstream HT802 is going to get the job done or not. I cannot even keep a 9600 baud connection alive for more than a minute or so like I could with an older Vonage box that I have. I am journaling my progress on my YouTube channel ( /bollingholt ) and have a new one to edit and upload hopefully during lunch tomorrow at work. I love dialup modems.

    ... Synonym: A word used when you can't spell the first one.

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  • From Bo Holt@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Mon Sep 7 21:34:05 2026
    The problem with running a dialup modem via VoIP is that digigal, a la VoI doesn't allow for the full signal bandwidth that analog does so you're be restricted to about 2400BPS ("baud") at best. Some have been able to get but that's not a common thing.

    On my older Vonage box, I can maintain a 9600 baud connection pretty well. Not having a much luck on a Grandstream HT802 I'm working on right now... trying to tweak the settings to see if I can improve it any ;)

    ... Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich.

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  • From ray@3:633/2744.12 to All on Mon Sep 7 22:19:24 2026
    The problem with running a dialup modem via VoIP is that digigal, a la
    VoIP,
    doesn't allow for the full signal bandwidth that analog does so you're be restricted to about 2400BPS ("baud") at best. Some have been able to get more
    but that's not a common thing.

    I have looked into it and I have read about the limits and obsticles.
    I would just have though with all the work being done with digital
    in the HAM community you would think there would be a way. Look at all
    the cross-moding on the XLX reflectors, plus bridging ASL to digital.
    In my opion, I think it could be done, there is just no desire to do it.
    After all there is no real need to do it, it's just nostalgic, and
    that is not much of a reason to start a project, I guess.


    - Ray KC1RAY/WRFD401
    - telnet: retro.nedmr.com port 2323
    --- Retro BBS
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  • From ray@3:633/2744.12 to All on Mon Sep 7 22:30:19 2026
    I am actually actively working on this project right now. So far not sure
    if
    the Grandstream HT802 is going to get the job done or not. I cannot even keep
    a 9600 baud connection alive for more than a minute or so like I could with

    Are you testing VOIP to VOIP or VOIP to POT?


    - Ray KC1RAY/WRFD401
    - telnet: retro.nedmr.com port 2323
    --- Retro BBS
    * Origin: Retro BBS (3:633/2744.12)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Bo Holt on Mon Sep 7 23:15:35 2026
    Hello Bo,

    07 Sep 26 21:34, you wrote to me:

    On my older Vonage box, I can maintain a 9600 baud connection pretty
    well. Not having a much luck on a Grandstream HT802 I'm working on
    right now... trying to tweak the settings to see if I can improve it
    any ;)

    I can't get a copper POTS line here unless I go through a CLEC. Once I start working and can afford it, I'm dusting off one of my USR v.everything external Couriers (the big black modems) and putting a dialup line. My BBS also supports PPP connections so that would be fun to try if there's interest. Back when I disd have a dialup line, I actually had a lot of callers using that line.

    I have several downlinks who want to use POTS with my stsyem, interestingly enough.

    -- Sean

    ... What do mermaids use to wash their fins? Tide.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to ray on Mon Sep 7 23:19:10 2026
    Hello ray,

    07 Sep 26 22:19, you wrote to All:

    I would just have though with all the work being done with digital
    in the HAM community you would think there would be a way.

    It's not so much the want to do it, it's overcoming the laws of physics.

    After all there is no real need to do it, it's just nostalgic, and
    that is not much of a reason to start a project, I guess.

    You can still get copper lines, usually through a CLEC. Many businesses and goverment users have to use copper lines; it's the regular customersa that get the shaft.

    -- Sean

    ... If you're close enough to read this, I can hit my brakes and sue you.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Sean Dennis on Tue Sep 8 07:05:57 2026
    Sean Dennis wrote to ray <=-

    You can still get copper lines, usually through a CLEC. Many
    businesses and goverment users have to use copper lines; it's the
    regular customersa that get the shaft.

    I was a corporate phone guy for years; I always love peeking in when I
    see a telco tech working on a B-Box, those locking line distribution
    cabinets you see scattered around neighborhoods.

    I saw one in my neighborhood open recently with a cherry picker parked
    nearby. Slowed down to look in the cabinet, and it was all fiber. I
    didn't see a single pair of cross-connect wire.

    I'm looking to get internet for my cabin up in the mountains. It's near
    Lake Tahoe, the switching office is about 3 miles away. They used to
    offer DSL with dial tone, but now they eliminated the dial tone, changed
    the name and raised the price. Gotta love AT&T!



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  • From Bo Holt@1:129/305 to Ray on Tue Sep 8 13:23:23 2026
    I am actually actively working on this project right now. So far not sure
    if
    the Grandstream HT802 is going to get the job done or not. I cannot even keep
    a 9600 baud connection alive for more than a minute or so like I could with

    Are you testing VOIP to VOIP or VOIP to POT?

    I'm not sure. I'm trying to talk to some of theSysOps who run these boards. I know my phone company will not give me a POTS line :(

    ... I toast...therefore I am.

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  • From ray@3:633/2744.12 to All on Tue Sep 8 13:36:32 2026
    It's not so much the want to do it, it's overcoming the laws of physics.

    So what your saying is, a ATA can convert digital to analog to ring
    a phone and it good enough for human voice, but fails providing what
    the modem need to function at high baud. That makes sense.
    There is some info out there about ATA's and fax working but I suppose
    fax being a low baud device is why.

    You can still get copper lines, usually through a CLEC. Many businesses
    and
    goverment users have to use copper lines; it's the regular customersa that get
    the shaft.

    Any idea what the going rate is for a POT line these days?


    - Ray KC1RAY/WRFD401
    - telnet: retro.nedmr.com port 2323
    --- Retro BBS
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  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:120/616 to Sean Dennis on Tue Sep 8 19:16:38 2026
    On 07 Sep 2026, Sean Dennis said the following...

    07 Sep 26 21:34, you wrote to me:

    On my older Vonage box, I can maintain a 9600 baud connection pretty well. Not having a much luck on a Grandstream HT802 I'm working on right now... trying to tweak the settings to see if I can improve it any ;)

    I can't get a copper POTS line here unless I go through a CLEC. Once I start working and can afford it, I'm dusting off one of my USR v.everything external Couriers (the big black modems) and putting a dialup line. My BBS also supports PPP connections so that would be fun to try if there's interest. Back when I disd have a dialup line, I actually had a lot of callers using that line.

    I have several downlinks who want to use POTS with my stsyem, interestingly enough.

    the problem is.. you might be old school copper between you and your local grocery store, gas station, or friend down the street, but the second you call somewhere slightly further you're 'transparently' dumped onto VOIP anyways.

    https://rcntechnologies.com/pots-shutdown-tracker/

    lists places where they're ripping it out, or have already. AT&T apparently intends to remove almost 100% of their footprint by the end of 2029.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: cold fusion - cfbbs.net - grand rapids, mi (1:120/616)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to ray on Tue Sep 8 20:40:39 2026
    Hello ray,

    08 Sep 26 13:36, you wrote to All:

    So what your saying is, a ATA can convert digital to analog to ring
    a phone and it good enough for human voice, but fails providing what
    the modem need to function at high baud. That makes sense.

    Correct!

    There is some info out there about ATA's and fax working but I suppose
    fax being a low baud device is why.

    Fax uses much less bandwidth than a regular modem call so they can work quite well over VoIP.

    Any idea what the going rate is for a POT line these days?

    Around $60 or so monthly here in NE Tennessee.

    -- Sean

    ... What do you call a amateur radio operator drinking gin? Ham on rye.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Alexander Grotewohl on Tue Sep 8 20:47:05 2026
    Hello Alexander,

    08 Sep 26 19:16, you wrote to me:

    lists places where they're ripping it out, or have already. AT&T apparently intends to remove almost 100% of their footprint by the end
    of 2029.

    It's because the feds stopped the gravy train to maintain the copper lines so AT&T quit supporting them.

    However, there's specialty equipment like DataRemote's POTS In A Box or Ooma's AirDial that work via 4G LTE/5G and because they're engineered to support legacy DTMF tones and fax/modem transmissions for critical life-safety systems, they handle modem handshakes much better than standard consumer VoIP.

    So we're not completely screwed...yet.

    -- Sean

    ... That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Bo Holt@1:129/305 to Ray on Tue Sep 8 22:03:21 2026
    You can still get copper lines, usually through a CLEC. Many businesses
    and
    goverment users have to use copper lines; it's the regular customersa that get
    the shaft.

    Any idea what the going rate is for a POT line these days?

    I need to research this CLEC and see where they will establish copper service... and yeah, the cost as well. Yesterday was the first time I've ever heard of CLEC, and I heard about it in this echo!

    ... Brain the size of a planet and I have to talk to humans.

    --- Renegade v1.44/Exp
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  • From Bo Holt@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Tue Sep 8 22:09:22 2026
    It's because the feds stopped the gravy train to maintain the copper lines AT&T quit supporting them.

    However, there's specialty equipment like DataRemote's POTS In A Box or Oo AirDial that work via 4G LTE/5G and because they're engineered to support legacy DTMF tones and fax/modem transmissions for critical life-safety systems, they handle modem handshakes much better than standard consumer V

    So we're not completely screwed...yet.

    AT&T is the devil...

    I'm glad to be learning there may still be other options for alternatives, and I hope they are financially feasible for us... and I'm really glad to see that I am not the only one interested in these dialup modems. They are such an integral part of my early love into computers.

    ... When need arises, any tool close to you becomes a hammer

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  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:120/616 to Bo Holt on Wed Sep 9 06:28:02 2026
    On 08 Sep 2026, Bo Holt said the following...

    I'm glad to be learning there may still be other options for
    alternatives, and I hope they are financially feasible for us... and I'm really glad to see that I am not the only one interested in these dialup modems. They are such an integral part of my early love into computers.

    interestingly (to me at least) when i was early into BBSes there was a local phone service for kids that had a touch tone menu and games and things you could play. you'd basically call up and press like 1 to traverse the dungeon and then use the numbers to go different directions or try different methods to kill the dragon.. or whatever. there were a whole bunch of different activities.

    if the modem aspect of running a BBS becomes too difficult, it might be kind of neat to have one that reads all your new bbs messages out to you, perhaps lets you dictate responses, etc.

    might be kind of neat. either that or i've recreated everything awful about using voicemail ;)

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  • From Bo Holt@1:396/45 to Sean Dennis on Tue Sep 8 12:40:08 2026
    Hello Bo,

    07 Sep 26 21:34, you wrote to me:

    On my older Vonage box, I can maintain a 9600 baud connection pretty

    I can't get a copper POTS line here unless I go
    through a CLEC. Once I start
    working and can afford it, I'm dusting off one of my
    USR v.everything external
    Couriers (the big black modems) and putting a dialup line. My BBS also supports PPP connections so that would be fun to try
    if there's interest.
    Back when I disd have a dialup line, I actually had a
    lot of callers using
    that line.

    I have several downlinks who want to use POTS with my
    stsyem, interestingly
    enough.

    -- Sean

    ... What do mermaids use to wash their fins? Tide.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
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    AT&T refused to give me a POTS line, too... and it irritates me because I think mine is still connected to something. When I pick up my phones, I get a ground sound.

    Bolling H. Holt IV
    Montgomery, Alabama USA

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  • From ray@3:633/2744.12 to All on Wed Sep 9 10:25:39 2026
    Around $60 or so monthly here in NE Tennessee.

    That is crazy! That's more then my cell phone bill. Looks like they
    want to price the regular consumer away from POTS.


    - Ray KC1RAY/WRFD401
    - telnet: retro.nedmr.com port 2323
    --- Retro BBS
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Alexander Grotewohl on Wed Sep 9 19:56:51 2026
    Hello Alexander,

    09 Sep 26 06:28, you wrote to Bo Holt:

    might be kind of neat. either that or i've recreated everything awful about using voicemail ;)

    The inventor of voicemail is on record stating how he wishes he'd never invented voicemail. <G>

    -- Sean

    ... ADMIRATION: n. Our polite recognition of another's resemblance to ourselves.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Bo Holt on Wed Sep 9 19:53:52 2026
    Hello Bo,

    08 Sep 26 12:40, you wrote to me:

    AT&T refused to give me a POTS line, too... and it irritates me
    because I think mine is still connected to something. When I pick up
    my phones, I get a ground sound.

    Probably a bad ground; those were/are very common. You new when your like was multiplexed when you kept connexting at 21600 BPS too. Try putting a multimeter on your line and see if you have AC current on it.

    -- Sean

    ... Either this man is dead or my watch has stopped.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to ray on Wed Sep 9 19:55:37 2026
    Hello ray,

    09 Sep 26 10:25, you wrote to All:

    That is crazy! That's more then my cell phone bill. Looks like they
    want to price the regular consumer away from POTS.

    That's business only. Consumer copper linesa do not exist at all in East Tennessee.

    -- Sean

    ... If at first you don't succeed, transform your data set.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Bo Holt@1:129/305 to Alexander Grotewohl on Wed Sep 9 21:30:11 2026
    interestingly (to me at least) when i was early into BBSes there was a loc phone service for kids that had a touch tone menu and games and things you could play. you'd basically call up and press like 1 to traverse the dunge and then use the numbers to go different directions or try different metho to kill the dragon.. or whatever. there were a whole bunch of different activities.

    Cool! I don't remember those!

    ... When you get there, there's no there there.

    --- Renegade v1.44/Exp
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  • From Bo Holt@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Wed Sep 9 21:37:06 2026
    AT&T refused to give me a POTS line, too... and it irritates me because I think mine is still connected to something. When I pick up my phones, I get a ground sound.

    Probably a bad ground; those were/are very common. You new when your like multiplexed when you kept connexting at 21600 BPS too. Try putting a multimeter on your line and see if you have AC current on it.

    I've got to find my meter. I also need to check my DMARC to see if there is still a line out to the pole. My house is huge and built in 1928 so there are about a hundred years' worth of old phone wiring (face palm).

    ... I, myself, AM strange and unusual...

    --- Renegade v1.44/Exp
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  • From ray@3:633/2744.12 to All on Wed Sep 9 22:52:55 2026
    That's business only. Consumer copper linesa do not exist at all in East Tennessee.

    I check in my town, Verizon does not offer any POT lines. If you have
    one you can keep it, for now, but they are retiring all POT lines in my
    town. They do offer a 4G/5G option for commercial customers. They say it is for elevators and alarm systems, not modems.


    - Ray KC1RAY/WRFD401
    - telnet: retro.nedmr.com port 2323
    --- Retro BBS
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to ray on Thu Sep 10 08:10:09 2026
    ray wrote to All <=-

    Any idea what the going rate is for a POT line these days?

    California, $72/month for home flat-rate calling. While it lasts. I'm
    sure it's fiber up to the house then copper into it.

    This is up in the mountains and was one of the last areas to move off of
    old crossbar switches. They didn't support touch tone dialing until the
    late '90s, so you had to set your phone to pulse dialing.




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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Alexander Grotewohl on Thu Sep 10 08:10:09 2026
    Alexander Grotewohl wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    https://rcntechnologies.com/pots-shutdown-tracker/

    lists places where they're ripping it out, or have already. AT&T apparently intends to remove almost 100% of their footprint by the end
    of 2029.

    2600 magazine has a monthly article called "The Telecom Informer". The
    author ostensibly travels around the world on business and describes
    telephony in the various places. He described a WAP and SMS-driven
    economy in China in the 2000s where you could buy most anything on a
    cell phone, to African countries that skipped copper completely and went straight to cellular, to reservations running wireless internet
    backhauls. Very interesting.

    He talked about the post-Hurricane Sandy situation in New York, where
    the local carrier, Verizon, was in court trying to get permission to
    abandon their copper instead of repairing it - replacing dialtone with
    cellular adapters that put dialtone on your home pairs and dialed out
    over cellular.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Alexander Grotewohl on Thu Sep 10 08:10:09 2026
    Alexander Grotewohl wrote to Bo Holt <=-

    might be kind of neat. either that or i've recreated everything awful about using voicemail ;)


    I loved poking around voicemail systems back in the day. Then, I got to
    run my own. :)

    In the late 80s, my company used to use voicemail for sales figures -
    the regional managers would call and read off the numbers in a message,
    and someone would listen and transcribe them. Low tech, but it worked.

    Later on, we had a WAN system that connected the cash registers. The
    headquarters had a OS/2 box with 16 modems on a digiboard. The cash
    registers ran DOS, and when the store closed would dial up over a modem
    and transfer sales figures and payroll info. The HQ would send them
    price lookup files and other info.

    It cost a ton of money, and in supporting it I realized you could do
    the same thing with a free FTN mailer and file boxes.




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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Sean Dennis on Thu Sep 10 08:10:09 2026
    Sean Dennis wrote to Alexander Grotewohl <=-

    The inventor of voicemail is on record stating how he wishes he'd never invented voicemail. <G>

    And, Herman Miller spent the rest of his career apologizing for
    cubicles.

    (Although, I personally like cubicles. I like having a space I could
    personalize and blocking ambient noise is key for me. I'd much rather
    have a cube than be in an open office plan with all the noise, hip high
    ceilings with exposed HVAC ductwork, etc.

    Although, now, I'm working from home most of the time. Great space, but
    lots of leaf blowers and barking dogs...)



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Sean Dennis on Thu Sep 10 08:10:09 2026
    Sean Dennis wrote to Bo Holt <=-

    Probably a bad ground; those were/are very common. You new when your
    like was multiplexed when you kept connexting at 21600 BPS too. Try putting a multimeter on your line and see if you have AC current on it.


    There was a pay phone outside of Red's Java House, an old waterfront
    bar and grill in San Francisco - had been there almost 70 years.

    https://www.redsjavahouse.com/

    The pay phone was notoriously dodgy - worked some times, not others.
    Turns out there was a reason. The phone was on the side of the building
    and it hung out over the water. They couldn't find a ground to tie it
    to, so they dropped a copper wire into the water. It made a good enough
    ground for the pay phone to seize a trunk, but when the tide was low
    enough, the wire hung above the water. No ground, no dial tone. :)






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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Bo Holt on Thu Sep 10 08:10:09 2026
    Bo Holt wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I've got to find my meter. I also need to check my DMARC to see if
    there is still a line out to the pole. My house is huge and built in
    1928 so there are about a hundred years' worth of old phone wiring
    (face palm).

    I was just thinking about the phone line when I first started
    realitycheckBBS. This was 1991, I was living in an old 1930s 5 story
    apartment building in San Francisco. I ordered a phone line and paid for
    the inside line installation - I think it was $75 for the first 30
    minutes and a charge after that.

    I didn't know much about wiring back then, thought everything was 2 pair
    telco wire and they could pull the outside pair to get the second dial
    tone in. This building had old solid, fabric-wrapped wire.

    I don't know what possessed the installer. Maybe he liked me. Maybe he
    called BBSes. He brought telco wire up from the basement DMARC through
    the garbage chute, then down the wall, over 2 door frames and into my
    apartment through lath and plaster. Was there probably an hour and a
    half, charged me the $75 only.

    Luckily, I had a walk-in closet against the outside wall of the
    apartment - I had room to put the BBS in there. I had to pull power from
    the overhead light fixture with one of those outlets that screwed into
    the light socket, but it all worked.



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