Hey Etta!

I like this better than the last kv-6.16.0 root/boot, mpstly because of gpm mouse on the console. Also note the brand spanking new gcc.

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 6.15.9 (root@bitskii) (gcc (GCC) 15.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.45) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Aug 8 16:03:20 UTC 2025

Life is good,
Maurice

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I like this better than the last kv-6.16.0 root/boot, mpstly because of gpm mouse on the console. Also note the brand spanking new gcc.

I noticed that too. My desktop is 6.16.0 but I've held the others at 6.15.* for now.

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 6.15.9 (root@bitskii) (gcc (GCC) 15.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.45) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Aug 8 16:03:20 UTC 2025

Indeed, I think GCC needed an update for glibc-2.42.

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Hey Alan!

I noticed that too. My desktop is 6.16.0 but I've held the others
at 6.15.* for now.

I considered doing the same but opted out for 6.15.9 due to the mouse thingy. It works, and probably is safer for cut n' pasting on the commandline, but I was more annoyed than having a secure feeling.

Indeed, I think GCC needed an update for glibc-2.42.

A recent 15.1.1 snapshot also works.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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Hey Alan!

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 6.16.1 (root@amiitoo) (gcc (GCC) 15.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.45) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Aug 19 03:33:54 UTC 2025

I decided to follow your lead and get used to the mouse cut `n paste commandline thingy. I liken it to 'a chamber of sober second thought' nothing like the Canadian Senate but I couldn't come up with anything better at the moment.

The above kernel took around 38 minutes, building and packaging (tar.xz), on a 16 penguin EPYC processor. The fastest I currently have - a 16 penguin Ryzen 7 - accomplished the same task in roughly 33 minutes.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hey Alan!

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 6.16.1 (root@amiitoo) (gcc (GCC) 15.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.45) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Aug 19 03:33:54 UTC 2025

I decided to follow your lead and get used to the mouse cut `n paste commandline thingy. I liken it to 'a chamber of sober second thought' nothing like the Canadian Senate but I couldn't come up with anything better at the moment.

I have moved everything upto 6.16.1 now as well. That cut 'n paste thing kind of boggles my muscle memory but I'm getting used to it.. ;)

The above kernel took around 38 minutes, building and packaging (tar.xz), on a 16 penguin EPYC processor. The fastest I currently have - a 16 penguin Ryzen - accomplished the same task in roughly 33 minutes.

I haven't timed it but I think it takes about the same here. My desktop has just two penguins and my BBS machine and laptop have four. I'll get upgraded here at some point!

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Hey Alan!

That cut 'n paste thing kind of boggles my muscle memory but I'm
getting used to it.. ;)

Well put. The above speaks to me.

BBS machine and laptop have four.

I've forgotten about the laptop. It also has four. I haven't used it for awhile and probably should get it up to speed. I am not fond of laptops but in this case it makes a good platform for testing mobile gps apps that I haven't played with in quite some time now. Not sure why that is given all the past work I put into it.

I'll get upgraded here at some point!

Me too. I seriously doubt it'll be a threadripper or anything in that class but I think I've seen enough of mini-PCs and would more than likely go for a lowpower draw mini-itx based system. I am not holding my breath though and the current plan is to make do with what I have. The wireless hotpots (two) seem to be fairly stable. Nobody is complaining ... yet.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

08 Aug 2025 21:03, Maurice Kinal wrote to Etta James:

Hey Etta!

+1

I like this better than the last kv-6.16.0 root/boot, mpstly because
of gpm mouse on the console. Also note the brand spanking new gcc.

+1

<Esc>:read /proc/version
Linux version 6.15.9 (root@bitskii) (gcc (GCC) 15.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.45) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Aug 8 16:03:20 UTC 2025

if it compiles well with gcc 1.0 its stable c++ code :)

dovecot add incompatible config changes to 2.4, this means for me and my custommers downtime, or i need to make a new dovecot server, where the old postfix server stay, since postfix do not make incompatible config changes

dumm people in finland :)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hej Benny!

Hey Etta!

+1

For sure.

However since then I broke down and am deploying kv-6.16.x kernels again.

if it compiles well with gcc 1.0 its stable c++ code :)

Myself, I'd settle for gcc 4 with straight c code. Good luck with that. :-(

dovecot add incompatible config changes to 2.4,

The heathen bastards!!!

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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No one can have too many friends.
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Hello Maurice!

01 Sep 2025 14:10, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

However since then I broke down and am deploying kv-6.16.x kernels
again.

did it fail ?

if it compiles well with gcc 1.0 its stable c++ code :)

Myself, I'd settle for gcc 4 with straight c code. Good luck with
that. :-(

i just keep it gentoo, others try pentoo :)

dovecot add incompatible config changes to 2.4,

The heathen bastards!!!

gentoo maintainers will keep 2.3 if it 2.4 fails to much, qestions if dovecot maintainers dont care, if i find to many bugs in dovecot i will redo with cyrus-imapd

but this require me to make a new mail storage host, and raise my deploy price :/


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hej Benny!

However since then I broke down and am deploying kv-6.16.x kernels
again.

did it fail ?

No but I didn't wish to be caught with an EOL kernel and didn't want to fall back to the latest longterm 6.12.x kernel. I seem to prefer playing with the latest.

i just keep it gentoo, others try pentoo :)

pentoo? Is this one of gentoo's bastard children? Is gentoo turning into debian?

but this require me to make a new mail storage host, and raise my
deploy price :/

That can and does happen.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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Happy is the guiltless heart.
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Hello Maurice!

02 Sep 2025 20:29, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

No but I didn't wish to be caught with an EOL kernel and didn't want
to fall back to the latest longterm 6.12.x kernel. I seem to prefer playing with the latest.

old long term kernels should not break imho, just remember have oldest longterm should work

i just keep it gentoo, others try pentoo :)

pentoo? Is this one of gentoo's bastard children? Is gentoo turning into debian?

pentoo got made after many gentoo developpers want something core diffrent, i lost why, but pentoo developpers stopped as gentoo developpers :)

but this require me to make a new mail storage host, and raise my
deploy price :/

That can and does happen.

seems so, but postfix developper do not break old postfix installs wich incompatible updates, no thank you, hope dovecot will be better in future or die.....


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hey Benny!

just remember have oldest longterm should work

Shouldn't be an issue. Is it?

i lost why, but pentoo developpers stopped as gentoo developpers

This is the first I've heard of it. According to google it is a live distribution for CDs and/or USB drives. They even claim 32-bit as well as 64-bit versions. I'll probably have a looksee at it.

hope dovecot will be better in future or die

I've been having the same feeling about python except that I have little to no faith given their track record. To me it looks like they are going out of their way to break everything, especially backwards compatibilty with themselves.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hej Maurice!

Something strange happening. We'll see if this gets to the Brain before altering anything.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Truth will make itself known.
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Hej Benny!

pentoo got made after many gentoo developpers want something core
diffrent

I took the liberty of downloading pentoo-full-amd64-hardened-2025.0_p20250913.iso, dd'ed it to a usb flash drive, and then booted it. It worked perfectly and unlike other live systems it came with gcc-14.3.0 and friends which makes it excellent for installing LFS to a nvme disk, which is what I have planned for later this week.

Offhand it looks like a keeper to me. Thanks for the heads up.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

06 Sep 2025 23:18, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Hey Benny!

just remember have oldest longterm should work

Shouldn't be an issue. Is it?

it is for me since xfs kernels did break somehing that makes it impossible to recovery my old netgear raid 0 drive, 2 1TB drives as one 2Tb md0 device, i have lost host to make the raidtab file

i lost why, but pentoo developpers stopped as gentoo developpers

This is the first I've heard of it. According to google it is a live distribution for CDs and/or USB drives. They even claim 32-bit as
well as 64-bit versions. I'll probably have a looksee at it.

this was how i did start it as on my now possible 100% disputed quad pentium 2, it gives 1536 bogomips, pretty fast to compared to a rasberry pi that used less power then what ibm coldcabinet servers did :=)

it got more crasys when people added an pci raid controller with 45 scsi 2 disks, only holds 40Gb :=)

hope dovecot will be better in future or die

I've been having the same feeling about python except that I have
little to no faith given their track record. To me it looks like they are going out of their way to break everything, especially backwards compatibilty with themselves.

if this happen, gentoo & pentoo will die


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hej Benny!

it is for me since xfs kernels did break somehing that makes it
impossible to recovery my old netgear raid 0 drive,

Not an issue here but have lost old hardware support in the past, usually network chips. I never did get into raid even when I had suitable hardware in the past.

pretty fast to compared to a rasberry pi that used less power then
what ibm coldcabinet servers did :=)

I imagine so.

if this happen, gentoo & pentoo will die

Along with Debian and all it's bastard children.

I hate python and make no apologies for it.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

11 Oct 2025 09:47, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

it is for me since xfs kernels did break somehing that makes it
impossible to recovery my old netgear raid 0 drive,

Not an issue here but have lost old hardware support in the past,
usually network chips. I never did get into raid even when I had suitable hardware in the past.

i had software raid 5, on my hp dl 525 1 gen quad core & 8 penguins :)

also did promice 15200 with 4 raid 5 drives, sadly just sata 150 mbit, but it was stable

it connected via iscsi

pretty fast to compared to a rasberry pi that used less power then
what ibm coldcabinet servers did :=)

I imagine so.

raspberry pi just freezed the computer room, hehe

if this happen, gentoo & pentoo will die

Along with Debian and all it's bastard children.

let debian die, i dont care :=)

I hate python and make no apologies for it.

why hate python ?, is it not stable like python 2.7 ?, catastrofe happen in python 3 imho :=)


Regards Benny

... too late to die young :)

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Hej Benny!

i had software raid 5, on my hp dl 525 1 gen quad core & 8 penguins

The only HP server I had was a 486 NetServer with 2 pci slots, but only one would work at a time. I added a network card on pci instead of a storage device. It was a very nice machine in it's day. I forget what version of scsi the host chipset had. That was a long time ago.

raspberry pi just freezed the computer room, hehe

No surprise.

let debian die

Whatever. It definetly isn't me keeping it alive.

why hate python ?, is it not stable like python 2.7 ?, catastrofe
happen in python 3 imho :=)

They all suck but for sure python 3 sucks the most. Again, no apologies from me about this very sad state of affairs. If you're asking me I blame the people attempting to turn windows users over to linux to be the root cause of all cyber evilness.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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The mind must be restrained, the hand trained.
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