The official website of Renegade BBS is


http://www.rgbbs.info


And after years of someone squating on it trying to somehow make RG their own, we finally have back.


http://www.renegadebbs.info

which will forward to www.rgbbs.info




--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11All
|03on |1128 Sep 25 11:25:11|03.

The official website of Renegade BBS is

http://www.rgbbs.info

And after years of someone squating on it trying to somehow make RG their we finally have back.

i guess lux forgot to renew the domain.

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

|03Quoting message from |11Jas Hud |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
|03on |115 Oct 25 07:03|03.

Quoting message from T.J. Mcmillen to All
on 28 Sep 25 11:25:11.

The official website of Renegade BBS is

http://www.rgbbs.info

And after years of someone squating on it trying to somehow make RG their we finally have back.

i guess lux forgot to renew the domain.

btw, nobody was trying to make renegade their own. it's public domain.
there is no renegade owner. with you , you have always wanted to make renegade bbs your own. it's just petty at this point though.

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

btw, nobody was trying to make renegade their own. it's public domain.

Actually, it's not. It was leaked after Jeff Herrings found out Patrick gave me the code and he threw a hissy fit like a child.

there is no renegade owner. with you , you have always wanted to make renegade bbs your own. it's just petty at this point though.

Yes, but the point is, you refused to add the latest files saying there wasn't enough changes to be worth it, as if it was your choice. So now, everyone can get the most up to date version from both sites, as it should've been from the start.

... Messiah Complex? Me? Well, let me just sayeth unto you......

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

btw, nobody was trying to make renegade their own. it's public domain.

Actually, it's not. It was leaked after Jeff Herrings found out Patrick g me the code and he threw a hissy fit like a child.

that's not what he told me.
it actually happened when i was talking on zeronet about it and i was saying it would be good if it was released. patrick fucked over jeff over some stuff he lent him. I dont think jeff cared if you had the code or if he even knew about you at that point. he certainly didn't have any ego about renegade.

Yes, but the point is, you refused to add the latest files saying there wa enough changes to be worth it, as if it was your choice. So now, everyone get the most up to date version from both sites, as it should've been from start.

well at that point there were not enough changes to warrant an update on the site. and it was my site and i ran it how i wanted to. I provided support for the older versions and I hosted the files. I also linked to other renegade developers.

I gave the domain to lux because he said he wanted to do something with renegade and help people out. of course, he never did anything.

If you wanted the domain you should have just asked for it. you could have got it for free instead of paying 1k for it. I was certainly not a squatter.

but really, the whole renegade situation is a big pathetic mess. I don't know why you pride yourself on being the home of renegade. Renegade bbs is an orphan.

i hate jason scott but he said it best:

"Note from Jason Scott: For a number of years while I worked on the BBS documentary, I came into contact with a good number of the developers for Renegade software. To say there's some miscommunication between different parties is an understatement. Part of the problem (if it can be called that) is that first of all, Renegade was a popular BBS program, meaning there was significant worth and value placed on feature development and work, meaning more pressure for whoever announced they were working on it. Second, the software's source code has been tightly controlled since its creation, meaning that only authorized parties could develop it. This meant a small web of trust, and also meant that if whoever was developing the software wasn't doing so to the satisfaction of the large (non-paying) audience, they recieved an awful lot of grief. Finally, Windows' acceptance and dominance of the x86 platform meant that Renegade's development was stalled at several critical junctures. As mentioned above, work has continued, but there are a lot of broken hearts and bad feelings left behind with this program."

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

On 05 Oct 25 19:46:33, Jas Hud said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

If you wanted the domain you should have just asked for it. you could have got it for free instead of paying 1k for it. I was certainly not a squatte

But TJ didn't pay 1k for it... neither did you... neither did anyone.

And the domain was registered on Dynadot which is specifically designed for expired domains to be won by proxy bidding. In other words... squatters.

What happened was either you could not afford to renew the domain or simply
let it expire after getting bored of the novelty of having something of TJ's.

So someone paid escrow and won with a winning bid nowhere CLOSE to 1k and had forwarded back to his site... easily done.

For someone who claims to not care what TJ does, you sure enjoy performing hilarious mental gymnastics for all of us to consume popcorn by.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

|03Quoting message from |11Atreyu |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1106 Oct 25 15:23:10|03.

On 05 Oct 25 19:46:33, Jas Hud said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

If you wanted the domain you should have just asked for it. you could hav got it for free instead of paying 1k for it. I was certainly not a squatt

But TJ didn't pay 1k for it... neither did you... neither did anyone.

i was told that tj paid lux 1k for it.

why did you say'neither did you'. no i didn't pay 1k for it.
the domain was a .info and i paid like 10 bucks for it when i registered it.
I later transfered it to lux.

And the domain was registered on Dynadot which is specifically designed for expired domains to be won by proxy bidding. In other words... squatters.

no idea what you're talking about. i gave it to lux and he said he sold it to
tj.

What happened was either you could not afford to renew the domain or simply let it expire after getting bored of the novelty of having something of TJ'

nope that is not what happened.

So someone paid escrow and won with a winning bid nowhere CLOSE to 1k and h forwarded back to his site... easily done.

okay you know nothing so thanks for giving me your made up
story.

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

i was told that tj paid lux 1k for it.

Man, how you make up things.

... I had a vile comment once, but it escaped -Saint

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

On 09 Oct 25 03:37:46, Jas Hud said the following to Atreyu:

i was told that tj paid lux 1k for it.

By the voice in your head?

What makes you believe anyone would pay 1k for a bbs domain?

So someone paid escrow and won with a winning bid nowhere CLOSE to 1k and h forwarded back to his site... easily done.

okay you know nothing so thanks for giving me your made up
story.

https://fido-z1.darkrealms.ca/1k-bullshit.jpg

End of "story" Professor Dipshit.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

i was told that tj paid lux 1k for it.

By the voice in your head?

What makes you believe anyone would pay 1k for a bbs domain?

Maybe Jeff Herrings told him this also. Since he told him all about how I got Renegade and everything. Man those voices must be tough to control now that they are giving themselves names.

... If the enemy is within range, so are you.

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

On 09 Oct 25 09:51:27, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Atreyu:

Maybe Jeff Herrings told him this also. Since he told him all about how I Renegade and everything. Man those voices must be tough to control now th they are giving themselves names.

Its understandably a mental challenge to be Professor, with all the stress of never getting appreciation for ALL those contributions to RG we should ALL
bow down and thank him for.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

Maybe Jeff Herrings told him this also. Since he told him all about how I Renegade and everything. Man those voices must be tough to control now t they are giving themselves names.

Its understandably a mental challenge to be Professor, with all the stress never getting appreciation for ALL those contributions to RG we should ALL bow down and thank him for.

Maybe he should publish a paper for the scientific world to read.

... Everyone is entitled to my opinion.

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

On 09 Oct 25 18:10:00, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Atreyu:

Its understandably a mental challenge to be Professor, with all the stress never getting appreciation for ALL those contributions to RG we should ALL bow down and thank him for.

Maybe he should publish a paper for the scientific world to read.

Or those entertained by Darwinisms.

Atreyu

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 Oct 25 06:05:50|03.

i was told that tj paid lux 1k for it.

Man, how you make up things.

well whats the story, that's what he told me

I'm not known to make up things but you have quit a bit regarding rg.

if he's lying , let me know. i dont like to deal with liars.

the reason i had that domain is because you unplugged from bbsing and
there was a void with people needing renegade support. i'm not even sure i knew that you had that .info domain earlier or not. it was a long time ago.

anyways, lux said he wanted it and he wanted to help people and do all kinds of stuff but he never did . over the years i had a wiki and forums and i did support via email. jess didnt do anything. that's why i thought he let it expire.

https://i.imgur.com/vWMNbiW.png

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

|03Quoting message from |11Atreyu |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1109 Oct 25 08:53:08|03.

On 09 Oct 25 03:37:46, Jas Hud said the following to Atreyu:

i was told that tj paid lux 1k for it.

By the voice in your head?

What makes you believe anyone would pay 1k for a bbs domain?

fuck off little dick.

okay you know nothing so thanks for giving me your made up
story.

https://fido-z1.darkrealms.ca/1k-bullshit.jpg

End of "story" Professor Dipshit.

sorry i dont look at screenshots.

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Atreyu
|03on |1109 Oct 25 09:51:27|03.

i was told that tj paid lux 1k for it.

By the voice in your head?

What makes you believe anyone would pay 1k for a bbs domain?

Maybe Jeff Herrings told him this also. Since he told him all about how I Renegade and everything. Man those voices must be tough to control now t they are giving themselves names.

well cory snow gave you renegade, correct? or that was hoppman or whatever. bluewolf. and then you go around rewriting history.

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

|03Quoting message from |11Atreyu |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
|03on |1109 Oct 25 17:20:50|03.

On 09 Oct 25 09:51:27, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Atreyu:

Maybe Jeff Herrings told him this also. Since he told him all about how I Renegade and everything. Man those voices must be tough to control now t they are giving themselves names.

Its understandably a mental challenge to be Professor, with all the stress never getting appreciation for ALL those contributions to RG we should ALL bow down and thank him for.

yes, mental challenge for the professor. i know you are jealous.
poor guy didn't even create douchebridge and still nobody uses it.

plus you're short.

go suck a dick,

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Atreyu
|03on |1109 Oct 25 18:10:00|03.

Maybe Jeff Herrings told him this also. Since he told him all about how I Renegade and everything. Man those voices must be tough to control now t they are giving themselves names.

Its understandably a mental challenge to be Professor, with all the stress never getting appreciation for ALL those contributions to RG we should ALL bow down and thank him for.

Maybe he should publish a paper for the scientific world to read.

maybe i should publish a paper about the renegade bbs bullshit.
i certainly seem to be the only honest person with factual information.

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

Maybe he should publish a paper for the scientific world to read.

Or those entertained by Darwinisms.

first i read that as dwarfism. then i thought of you and then i thought
"damn, i'm not entertained by little nick! what is he talking about!"

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

Maybe Jeff Herrings told him this also. Since he told him all about how I Renegade and everything. Man those voices must be tough to control now t they are giving themselves names.

well cory snow gave you renegade, correct? or that was hoppman or whatever

No. In Oct. 2003, I got tired of people logging on with all kinda fake info. I went and emailed Patrick and asked him to create a toggles menu to toggle off/on what was asked when logging on new.

He then said, you know pascal right? Here's the code, just do me a favor and whatever you change, please send me backthe updates to the source.

Created 11-26.3 (Nov 26, 2003) and released it with the toggles. Send Patick the updated code. Bluewolf (chris hoppman), and myself made more updates and released 1-10.4 (Jan 10, 2004), I sent the code back to Patrick. When I did, he said don't bother anymore, I know it's in good hands.

Months later, Herrings calls my board screaming like a lunatic about how I stole the RG code and this and that bullshit. Told him the story ALSO, he stated whatever, got pissed off, never called back and 1 or 2 weeks later the y2ka2 source code was uploaded on dreamland bbs.

So you wanted truth how things ACTUALLY happened 20+ years ago, that is it. No matter who told you this happened or that happened. It was a lie, what I stated above is WHAT HAPPENED. I should know, I WAS THERE.

... Precinct toilet stolen... Police have nothing to go on.

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

Maybe Jeff Herrings told him this also. Since he told him all about how I Renegade and everything. Man those voices must be tough to control now t they are giving themselves names.

well cory snow gave you renegade, correct? or that was hoppman or whatever bluewolf. and then you go around rewriting history.

No. In Oct. 2003, I got tired of people logging on with all kinda fake info.
I went and emailed Patrick and asked him to create a toggles menu to toggle off/on what was asked when logging on new.

He then said, you know pascal right? Here's the code, just do me a favor and whatever you change, please send me backthe updates to the source.

Created 11-26.3 (Nov 26, 2003) and released it with the toggles. Send Patick the updated code. Bluewolf (chris hoppman), and myself made more updates and released 1-10.4 (Jan 10, 2004), I sent the code back to Patrick. When I did, he said don't bother anymore, I know it's in good hands.

Months later, Herrings calls my board screaming like a lunatic about how I stole the RG code and this and that bullshit. Told him the story ALSO, he stated whatever, got pissed off, never called back and 1 or 2 weeks later the y2ka2 source code was uploaded on dreamland bbs.

So you wanted truth how things ACTUALLY happened 20+ years ago, that is it. No matter who told you this happened or that happened. It was a lie, what I stated above is WHAT HAPPENED. I should know, I WAS THERE.

... Heisenberg really wasn't certain about this.

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

On 10 Oct 25 14:09:18, Jas Hud said the following to Atreyu:

Or those entertained by Darwinisms.

first i read that as dwarfism. then i thought of you and then i thought "damn, i'm not entertained by little nick! what is he talking about!"

When a complete total dipshit writes me three messages of nonsense in a row, I therefore live inside the dipshits head rent-free.

Thanks for trying. As usual you've been a real hoot.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

fuck off little dick.

okay you know nothing so thanks for giving me your made up

Calm down with the profanity. Little professors can read these.

... Live by the sword, die by the longbow.

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

On 10 Oct 25 18:23:21, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Jas Hud:

No. In Oct. 2003, I got tired of people logging on with all kinda fake inf I went and emailed Patrick and asked him to create a toggles menu to toggle off/on what was asked when logging on new.

I think we talked about this before, about how its just a matter of asking for things in the right way. I got the code for D'B in somewhat of a similar situation. The author wasn't interested in doing anymore work on it.

Nick

--- Renegade vY2Ka2
* Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)

|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 Oct 25 16:58:59|03.

Maybe Jeff Herrings told him this also. Since he told him all about how I Renegade and everything. Man those voices must be tough to control now t they are giving themselves names.

well cory snow gave you renegade, correct? or that was hoppman or whatever

No. In Oct. 2003, I got tired of people logging on with all kinda fake in I went and emailed Patrick and asked him to create a toggles menu to toggl off/on what was asked when logging on new.

He then said, you know pascal right? Here's the code, just do me a favor whatever you change, please send me backthe updates to the source.

Created 11-26.3 (Nov 26, 2003) and released it with the toggles. Send Pat the updated code. Bluewolf (chris hoppman), and myself made more updates released 1-10.4 (Jan 10, 2004), I sent the code back to Patrick. When I d

well i think we can both agree that there's been 20 years of bullshit, posturing and lies.

for myself i just want bbsesing to flurish, even in it's sad state.

if you wanted the renegadebbs.info site i would rather it have gone to you for free instead of a moron forgetting to renew it.

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

When a complete total dipshit writes me three messages of nonsense in a row therefore live inside the dipshits head rent-free.

Thanks for trying. As usual you've been a real hoot.

don't be so hard on yourself. you're just canadian. we don't expect much of you.

just try to do better, little man.

--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

|03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
|03on |1110 Oct 25 23:23:03|03.

fuck off little dick.

okay you know nothing so thanks for giving me your made up

Calm down with the profanity. Little professors can read these.

i never calm down with the profanity. :D


--- Renegade v1.33/DOS
* Origin: Star Flight BBS -- Stateoftheark.ca: 1990 -- (1:342/19)

well i think we can both agree that there's been 20 years of bullshit, posturing and lies.

Not by myself. I've told NOTHING but the truth as to what is going on and
how it's happened since 2003.

I'm the only one keeping Renegade alive with new releases. No one else gives a shit. Well, Nick does, but he has his own fork of it. So, question, why would I lie about anything as to the history of Renegade?

for myself i just want bbsesing to flurish, even in it's sad state.

Then be beter. Promote your board. Quit being an asshole everyone loves to hate. Promote software, utils, doors. Instead of saying, blah said this and this and thats how it happened, when it didn't.

if you wanted the renegadebbs.info site i would rather it have gone to you free instead of a moron forgetting to renew it.

I doubt that very much, as you made a huge dig at me how I don't program and I jut get everyone else to do my work right on the website. Am I an A++ star programmer? No, I'm a B+ at best. Thats why I invite anyone that wants to
see RG thrive to join in and help code.

After 22 years of having the code, I know it pretty damn well. And Nick knows FTN pretty damn well, so if there are any issues on that side of RG, I ask for his help.

So between the 2 of us, no one else gives a shit about RG. Everyone loves to fork the code and say it's theirs, but no one ever helps the main release branch.

So I ask you, if you want BBSing to survive, HELP. Quit being an asshole and start supporting the hobby instead of always saying it's dieing and it's nothing but sysops. Because I can assure you, a good chuck of my users, DO NOT run a BBS.

... In extreme circumstances, cautionary measures are always justified.

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)

I think we talked about this before, about how its just a matter of asking things in the right way. I got the code for D'B in somewhat of a similar situation. The author wasn't interested in doing anymore work on it.

Yup, and why like a good piece of software die when someone who is still around willing to work on it can.

... I'll bring the Chtorr: you bring the barbeque sauce.

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)