• STRMDISC: Tropical Storm Lorenzo Discussion Number 1

    From COD Weather Processor@1:2320/105 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 13 08:55:45 2025
    827
    WTNT42 KNHC 130855
    TCDAT2

    Tropical Storm Lorenzo Discussion Number 1
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL122025
    500 AM AST Mon Oct 13 2025

    The area of low pressure we have been monitoring over the last day
    or two (AL97) has become better organized this morning. After
    spending most of yesterday as an exposed low-level swirl, tonight a
    large burst of deep convection with cloud top temperatures below
    -80C has formed near and just east of the center. An earlier ASCAT-C
    pass clipped the eastern side of the system, showing that it was
    already producing tropical-storm-force winds, with a peak derived
    wind of 36 kt. A pair of AMSR2 and GMI microwave passes at 04-06 UTC
    near the system also showed the improved structural organization
    under the cirrus. The subjective 06 UTC Dvorak fix from TAFB was
    T2.5/35 kt, and the satellite presentation has only grown more
    impressive since that time, with the convective cloud tops taking a
    distinct comma shape pattern. Thus, advisories are being initiated
    on Tropical Storm Lorenzo this morning, with an initial intensity
    of 40 kt, assuming a little undersampling from the earlier
    scatterometer wind data.

    The initial motion is a somewhat uncertain 305/15 kt, a little
    slower than the center being tracked earlier, potentially due to the
    large convective burst tugging at the center. This general
    northwestward motion with some additional slowdown is anticipated
    today as Lorenzo approaches a weakness in the subtropical ridging
    produced by an upper-level trough in the path of the tropical
    cyclone. This trough is expected to fracture and shift to the
    southwest of the system, and Lorenzo should turn northward between
    this feature and the eroded mid-level ridge centered over the Cabo
    Verde Islands. Ultimately, this ridge should result in the cyclone
    recurving to the northeast around it, as it comes under influence of broad-scale mid-latitude westerly flow. The initial NHC track
    forecast is in pretty good agreement with a fairly tightly clustered
    track guidance envelope, and is roughly a blend of the HCCA and
    Google DeepMind guidance this cycle, a little east of the overall
    track envelope.

    While Lorenzo's structure on satellite imagery has improved, it is
    still currently experiencing about 25-30 kt of southwesterly
    vertical wind shear. However, both the GFS and ECMWF-based SHIPS
    guidance suggests this shear will soon lessen to less than 10 kts in
    24-48 hours. Ordinarily this would lead to strengthening given the
    sufficently warm 27-28 C ocean temperatures, but at the same time, environmental mid-level relatively humidity is also expected to dry substantially as the storm interacts with the upper-level trough
    ahead of it. This trough could also still produce some residual
    mid-level shear undercutting the outflow layer. The overall guidance
    is not that enthusiastic about Lorenzo's intensity prospects, but it
    is worth noting there is quite a bit of spread in both the ECMWF and
    Google DeepMind ensemble members, ranging from a very weak tropical
    cyclone to a category 2 hurricane. The initial NHC intensity
    forecast will try to split the difference, showing little change in
    strength in the short-term while the shear remains high, and then
    just gradual intensification afterwards. This is higher than the
    majority of the hurricane-regional model guidance this cycle, but
    under the Google DeepMind ensemble mean and HWRF model.


    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 13/0900Z 14.2N 40.3W 40 KT 45 MPH
    12H 13/1800Z 15.0N 41.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
    24H 14/0600Z 16.2N 43.4W 40 KT 45 MPH
    36H 14/1800Z 18.0N 44.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
    48H 15/0600Z 20.1N 44.7W 50 KT 60 MPH
    60H 15/1800Z 22.4N 44.2W 55 KT 65 MPH
    72H 16/0600Z 25.1N 42.6W 60 KT 70 MPH
    96H 17/0600Z 30.9N 36.9W 55 KT 65 MPH
    120H 18/0600Z 33.2N 29.6W 45 KT 50 MPH

    $$
    Forecaster Papin


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  • From COD Weather Processor@1:2320/105 to [email protected] on Mon Oct 13 08:57:13 2025
    616
    WTNT42 KNHC 130857
    TCDAT2

    Tropical Storm Lorenzo Discussion Number 1
    NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL122025
    500 AM AST Mon Oct 13 2025

    The area of low pressure we have been monitoring over the last day
    or two (AL97) has become better organized this morning. After
    spending most of yesterday as an exposed low-level swirl, tonight a
    large burst of deep convection with cloud top temperatures below
    -80C has formed near and just east of the center. An earlier ASCAT-C
    pass clipped the eastern side of the system, showing that it was
    already producing tropical-storm-force winds, with a peak derived
    wind of 36 kt. A pair of AMSR2 and GMI microwave passes at 04-06 UTC
    near the system also showed the improved structural organization
    under the cirrus. The subjective 06 UTC Dvorak fix from TAFB was
    T2.5/35 kt, and the satellite presentation has only grown more
    impressive since that time, with the convective cloud tops taking a
    distinct comma shape pattern. Thus, advisories are being initiated
    on Tropical Storm Lorenzo this morning, with an initial intensity
    of 40 kt, assuming a little undersampling from the earlier
    scatterometer wind data.

    The initial motion is a somewhat uncertain 305/15 kt, a little
    slower than the center being tracked earlier, potentially due to the
    large convective burst tugging at the center. This general
    northwestward motion with some additional slowdown is anticipated
    today as Lorenzo approaches a weakness in the subtropical ridging
    produced by an upper-level trough in the path of the tropical
    cyclone. This trough is expected to fracture and shift to the
    southwest of the system, and Lorenzo should turn northward between
    this feature and the eroded mid-level ridge centered over the Cabo
    Verde Islands. Ultimately, this ridge should result in the cyclone
    recurving to the northeast around it, as it comes under influence of broad-scale mid-latitude westerly flow. The initial NHC track
    forecast is in pretty good agreement with a fairly tightly clustered
    track guidance envelope, and is roughly a blend of the HCCA and
    Google DeepMind guidance this cycle, a little east of the overall
    track envelope.

    While Lorenzo's structure on satellite imagery has improved, it is
    still currently experiencing about 25-30 kt of southwesterly
    vertical wind shear. However, both the GFS and ECMWF-based SHIPS
    guidance suggests this shear will soon lessen to less than 10 kts in
    24-48 hours. Ordinarily this would lead to strengthening given the
    sufficently warm 27-28 C ocean temperatures, but at the same time, environmental mid-level relatively humidity is also expected to dry substantially as the storm interacts with the upper-level trough
    ahead of it. This trough could also still produce some residual
    mid-level shear undercutting the outflow layer. The overall guidance
    is not that enthusiastic about Lorenzo's intensity prospects, but it
    is worth noting there is quite a bit of spread in both the ECMWF and
    Google DeepMind ensemble members, ranging from a very weak tropical
    cyclone to a category 2 hurricane. The initial NHC intensity
    forecast will try to split the difference, showing little change in
    strength in the short-term while the shear remains high, and then
    just gradual intensification afterwards. This is higher than the
    majority of the hurricane-regional model guidance this cycle, but
    under the Google DeepMind ensemble mean and HWRF model.


    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 13/0900Z 14.2N 40.3W 40 KT 45 MPH
    12H 13/1800Z 15.0N 41.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
    24H 14/0600Z 16.2N 43.4W 40 KT 45 MPH
    36H 14/1800Z 18.0N 44.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
    48H 15/0600Z 20.1N 44.7W 50 KT 60 MPH
    60H 15/1800Z 22.4N 44.2W 55 KT 65 MPH
    72H 16/0600Z 25.1N 42.6W 60 KT 70 MPH
    96H 17/0600Z 30.9N 36.9W 55 KT 65 MPH
    120H 18/0600Z 33.2N 29.6W 45 KT 50 MPH

    $$
    Forecaster Papin


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