• The L.L.Ms. are stupid

    From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 04:51:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Dear alt.usage.english,
    comp.ai.philosophy,

    The L.L.Ms. are stupid. Never forget that. I was wondering, when the
    same king ruled both Iceland, and Sweden. I made the naive question to
    the search engine as follows.

    when was iceland part of sweden

    And the /search assist/ answer that came back was

    Iceland was never part of Sweden; it was under Norwegian rule from
    1262/64 and then Danish rule from 1380 until it became independent in
    1944.

    which may or may not be correct, I haven't checked yet. Then I asked

    when was the same king ruling both denmark and sweden

    and the /search assist/ answer that came back was

    The same monarch ruled both Denmark and Sweden during the Kalmar Union
    period, such as King John, who reigned over Denmark (1481–1513),
    Norway (1483–1513), and Sweden (1497–1501).

    which also may or may not be correct, I haven't checked either.

    Anyway, a human insufferable know-it-all could have corrected my ques-
    tion, and followed up with an /achtually/ stating that we are merely
    talking about four years, from fourteen hundred and ninety seven to fif-
    teen hundred and one [1].

    Now, the members of comp.ai.philosophy, who believe the L.L.Ms. are not
    only insufferable know-it-alls, but also stochastically correct, will
    have to explain to me, in details, how this can be corrected once and
    for all. That is, this mistake must not happen again, with /any/ L.L.M.
    home trained or not. It stands to reason, that once something is poin-
    ted out to be wrong to an L.L.M., it has to be possible to teach all of
    them forever. No matter who is doing the training, and with what bud-
    get.

    Because once this is corrected, we also know how to correct for all fu-
    ture L.L.Ms. any misunderstanding, forever. And we can be safe to ass-
    ume that the people training L.L.Ms. are all reasonable and well meaning
    people who will make sure all past mistakes are not forgotten, and no L.
    L.M. will be trained on incorrect data, forever.


    Best wishes, and happy L.L.M. training!


    [1] Members of alt.usage.english are welcome to correct my counting of
    the years.
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  • From occam@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 08:27:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 30/09/2026 22:51, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    Dear alt.usage.english,
         comp.ai.philosophy,

    The L.L.Ms. are stupid.  Never forget that.  I was wondering, when the
    same king ruled both Iceland, and Sweden.  I made the naive question to
    the search engine as follows.

    Johann, you do realise that LLMs are populated with human knowledge,
    right? It's text ('knowledge') generated by humans. So, LLMs are no
    stupider than their input. (I am side-stepping the delicate issue of
    humans who ask these questions of AIs, rather than researching their
    questions the long-hand method.)



      when was iceland part of sweden

    And the /search assist/ answer that came back was

      Iceland was never part of Sweden; it was under Norwegian rule from
      1262/64 and then Danish rule from 1380 until it became independent in
      1944.

    which may or may not be correct, I haven't checked yet.  Then I asked

      when was the same king ruling both denmark and sweden

    and the /search assist/ answer that came back was

      The same monarch ruled both Denmark and Sweden during the Kalmar Union
      period, such as King John, who reigned over Denmark (1481–1513),
      Norway (1483–1513), and Sweden (1497–1501).

    which also may or may not be correct, I haven't checked either.

    Anyway, a human insufferable know-it-all could have corrected my ques-
    tion, and followed up with an /achtually/ stating that we are merely
    talking about four years, from fourteen hundred and ninety seven to fif-
    teen hundred and one [1].

    Now, the members of comp.ai.philosophy, who believe the L.L.Ms. are not
    only insufferable know-it-alls, but also stochastically correct, will
    have to explain to me, in details, how this can be corrected once and
    for all.  That is, this mistake must not happen again, with /any/ L.L.M. home trained or not.  It stands to reason, that once something is poin-
    ted out to be wrong to an L.L.M., it has to be possible to teach all of
    them forever.  No matter who is doing the training, and with what bud-
    get.

    Because once this is corrected, we also know how to correct for all fu-
    ture L.L.Ms. any misunderstanding, forever.  And we can be safe to ass-
    ume that the people training L.L.Ms. are all reasonable and well meaning people who will make sure all past mistakes are not forgotten, and no L.
    L.M. will be trained on incorrect data, forever.


    Best wishes, and happy L.L.M. training!


    [1] Members of alt.usage.english are welcome to correct my counting of
    the years.

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 09:33:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Den 30.09.2026 kl. 22.51 skrev Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson:

      when was the same king ruling both denmark and sweden

    and the /search assist/ answer that came back was

      The same monarch ruled both Denmark and Sweden during the Kalmar Union
      period, such as King John, who reigned over Denmark (1481–1513),
      Norway (1483–1513), and Sweden (1497–1501).

    We have never had a king named "John" or any other name that might be represented as "John". The first king of the Kalmar Union was formally
    Erik af Pommern who was son of Margrete 1st, and it was in reality her
    that ruled.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From Peter Moylan@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 18:24:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 01/10/26 17:33, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Den 30.09.2026 kl. 22.51 skrev Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson:

    when was the same king ruling both denmark and sweden

    and the /search assist/ answer that came back was

    The same monarch ruled both Denmark and Sweden during the Kalmar
    Union period, such as King John, who reigned over Denmark
    (1481–1513), Norway (1483–1513), and Sweden (1497–1501).

    We have never had a king named "John" or any other name that might be
    represented as "John". The first king of the Kalmar Union was
    formally Erik af Pommern who was son of Margrete 1st, and it was in
    reality her that ruled.

    Google calls him Charles XIV John, and he was a Bernadotte. But that's
    the wrong historical period. Delete that guess.

    Ah, here's the right one. Hans, King of Denmark, sometimes called John
    or Johannes.

    If it helps, England once had a King John.

    King John was not a good man
    He had his little ways
    And sometimes no-one spoke to him
    For days and days and days.
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 10:59:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Den 01.10.2026 kl. 10.24 skrev Peter Moylan:

    We have never had a king named "John" or any other name that might be
     represented as "John". The first king of the Kalmar Union was
    formally Erik af Pommern who was son of Margrete 1st, and it was in
    reality her that ruled.

    Google calls him Charles XIV John, and he was a Bernadotte. But that's
    the wrong historical period. Delete that guess.

    He was not king of Denmark.

    Ah, here's the right one. Hans, King of Denmark, sometimes called John
    or Johannes.

    Sorry, I didn't know that. I've only seen the name "Hans". Yes, he has
    ruled all three countries for four years.
    --
    Bertel, Kolt, Danmark

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  • From ram@[email protected] (Stefan Ram) to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 09:27:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted: >Anyway, a human insufferable know-it-all could have corrected my ques-
    tion, and followed up with an /achtually/ stating that we are merely
    talking about four years, from fourteen hundred and ninety seven to fif-
    teen hundred and one [1].

    OTOH, more than once I got answers where the model apparently
    tried to guess my intend, and I had to write in the next prompt,

    |Please answer my question literally.


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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 21:29:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/1/2026 2:27 PM, occam wrote:
    Dear alt.usage.english,
         comp.ai.philosophy,

    The L.L.Ms. are stupid.  Never forget that.  I was wondering, when the
    same king ruled both Iceland, and Sweden.  I made the naive question to
    the search engine as follows.
    Johann, you do realise that LLMs are populated with human knowledge,
    right? It's text ('knowledge') generated by humans. So, LLMs are no
    stupider than their input. (I am side-stepping the delicate issue of
    humans who ask these questions of AIs, rather than researching their questions the long-hand method.)

    Dear occam,

    My point was that when the "A.I." /knows/ two different points of a
    factiod [1] it still cannot /connect the dots/ to make an overall ass-
    essment to answer a larger question.

    Unlike a human insufferable know-it-all.



    Best wishes, and happy A.I. queries!

    [1] Yes, I consider /factoid/ to be a valid word here.
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  • From ram@[email protected] (Stefan Ram) to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 14:03:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    My point was that when the "A.I." /knows/ two different points of a
    factiod [1] it still cannot /connect the dots/ to make an overall ass- >essment to answer a larger question.

    Unlike a human insufferable know-it-all.

    On December 14, 2023, Google DeepMind's FunSearch paired a large
    language model with an automated evaluator to solve an open
    challenge in extremal combinatorics by discovering the largest known
    mathematical constructions for the cap set problem. - It bypassed
    traditional brute-force limits by connecting the dots between
    algorithmic computer science and high-dimensional vector space
    geometry, mapping code generation outputs directly onto abstract
    geometric spaces that human intuitive leaps had failed to bridge.

    In September 2026, Anthropic's Claude solved a decades-old
    "holy grail" problem in probability theory by producing a
    formally verified Lean proof that resolves the dying percolation
    conjecture (\theta(p_c) = 0) for dimensions 3 through 10. - The
    model connected the dots by using truths from algebraic topology,
    specifically persistent homology, to analyze infinite path spaces
    in statistical mechanics, revealing macro-level phase geometric
    invariants that probability experts could not mathematically link.

    On September 8, 2026, OpenAI's unreleased next-generation multi-agent
    system tackled the 90-year-old Navier-Stokes existence and smoothness
    Millennium Problem by generating a 166-page analytical proof that
    demonstrates how a singularity can form in an initially smooth fluid
    flow. - It connected the dots by applying discrete number theory
    and arithmetic dynamics to complex fluid mechanics, recognizing a
    hidden structural symmetry in prime-factor bounds that governs the
    exact chaotic behavior of non-linear differential equations, dots
    which human experts failed to connect before.


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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy,comp.lang.misc on Thu Oct 1 22:10:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/1/2026 5:27 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    Anyway, a human insufferable know-it-all could have corrected my ques-
    tion, and followed up with an /achtually/ stating that we are merely
    talking about four years, from fourteen hundred and ninety seven to fif-
    teen hundred and one [1].

    OTOH, more than once I got answers where the model apparently
    tried to guess my intend, and I had to write in the next prompt,

    |Please answer my question literally.

    Dear Stefan,

    Usually, when that happens to me, it seems to want to make up the quest-
    ion. As in, answer something completely different. Sometimes, when I
    ask a search engine for a definition of a word, the /ai assist/ will de-
    fine a completely different word.

    So I have trained myself never to read the /ai assist/ summary when ask-
    ing a dictionary, and always click merriam-webster, oxford, cambridge,
    or some other well known human-edited dictionary.

    If you think /define a completely different word/ is a valid answer,
    I'll point out the we are humans, and sometimes only read the definition
    and don't always re-read what we wrote; meaning, /what word is the ai
    assistant defining/, we just wrote it. Putting it in a different font
    or enlarge the word-under-definition just makes us skip that part hard-
    er.

    And people who don't understand this, that the ai can simply answer
    something completely different, or use outdated references [1] such as
    an article on the wrong version of Drupal [3] will forever wade in error
    and confusion through life [5]. I mean, that's just as bad as getting a
    quote from Python 2.7 when you're trying to do something extra-Pythonic
    in 3.17 [6].

    So we live in a world, where the media controlled gaslighting is always
    telling us the ai is great, that the ai knows best, and that we should
    all be using ai for everything, when in fact the ai is completely stupid
    and cannot be made to understand it should be able to connect the dots
    and know -- at least the basics -- that the Kalmar Union existed, and
    that it included both Iceland and Sweden at the same time -- here is a Wikipedia article with a map,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_Union

    which I have not personally verified -- even though I'm not asking it
    about the Kalmar Union by name. You know, completely differently from
    an insufferable human know-it-all.

    Then the insufferable know-it-all humans of Usenet are trying to tell us
    the ai is great? I mean, how insufferable is that? I don't know what
    the people of comp.ai.philosophy are thinking, because this is not OK.
    It is not OK to gaslight regular people who don't know better that they
    should be paying ai tokens to Sam Altman, rather than just read physical
    books themselves, and become the insufferable know-it-all.


    Best wishes, and happy suffering from insufferable know-it-alls of Use-
    net!

    [1] Consider the following Wikipedia article,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucracy

    which has the following quotation from an outdated but publicly availa-
    ble article titled /Scribal Training in Ancient Egypt/,

    Similarly, Ancient Egypt had a hereditary class of scribes that
    administered a civil-service bureaucracy.[18]

    and you can read it here,

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/600648?origin=crossref

    which I haven't, to be honest. On the other hand, this guy,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Brier

    and

    https://drbobbrier.com/about-bob-brier

    taught me in a video course [I won't name the exact episode] that
    any-body with intelligence could become a scribe, and confirmed it in a pri- vate correspondence [2]. I have however decided not to get into an edit
    war with the Wikipedia editors, and have left the article incorrect. It
    would be more correct to leave out the sentence entirely.

    [2] Paraphrasing the librarian from The Mummy (1999), /take that you
    Wikipedia editors/.

    [3] As far as I know, there's no comp.lang.drupal, but I've included comp.lang.misc for a few programmers so they can read this monologue as
    well, and be illuminated about the fact they can't trust the A.I. tuto-
    rials, because it can be teaching the wrong version of the programming
    language [4].

    [4] Which also begs the question, should we try to start comp.lang.php,
    or leave that up to the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas?

    [5] Here I am paraphrasing an Icelandic expression, and people from alt. usage.english can suggest a better one.

    [6] I have however decided not to include comp.lang.python in this
    discussion, since all programmers already read comp.lang.misc for Rust
    because comp.lang.rust is still under consideration by news.groups.pro-
    posals.
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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy,corel.coreldrawx3 on Thu Oct 1 22:49:39 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/1/2026 10:03 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    My point was that when the "A.I." /knows/ two different points of a
    factiod [1] it still cannot /connect the dots/ to make an overall ass-
    essment to answer a larger question.

    Unlike a human insufferable know-it-all.

    On December 14, 2023, Google DeepMind's FunSearch paired a large
    language model with an automated evaluator to solve an open
    challenge in extremal combinatorics by discovering the largest known
    mathematical constructions for the cap set problem. - It bypassed
    traditional brute-force limits by connecting the dots between
    algorithmic computer science and high-dimensional vector space
    geometry, mapping code generation outputs directly onto abstract
    geometric spaces that human intuitive leaps had failed to bridge.

    In September 2026, Anthropic's Claude solved a decades-old
    "holy grail" problem in probability theory by producing a
    formally verified Lean proof that resolves the dying percolation
    conjecture (\theta(p_c) = 0) for dimensions 3 through 10. - The
    model connected the dots by using truths from algebraic topology,
    specifically persistent homology, to analyze infinite path spaces
    in statistical mechanics, revealing macro-level phase geometric
    invariants that probability experts could not mathematically link.

    On September 8, 2026, OpenAI's unreleased next-generation multi-agent
    system tackled the 90-year-old Navier-Stokes existence and smoothness
    Millennium Problem by generating a 166-page analytical proof that
    demonstrates how a singularity can form in an initially smooth fluid
    flow. - It connected the dots by applying discrete number theory
    and arithmetic dynamics to complex fluid mechanics, recognizing a
    hidden structural symmetry in prime-factor bounds that governs the
    exact chaotic behavior of non-linear differential equations, dots
    which human experts failed to connect before.

    Dear Stefan,

    I believe you just proved my point. In all three cases, the L.L.M.
    trainers -- that is, the humans operating the machine -- set out to
    solve a specific problem, and coded the L.L.M. accordingly. Unlike
    an insufferable human know-it-all who can solve a problem you didn't
    even know existed in the first place.

    We are also not told -- at least I have never seen such texts -- how
    long it took the L.L.M. to /solve/ these puzzles, nor how many false
    starts it took the human team behind the machine, before they got some-
    thing they could use to gaslight regular people with in the news.

    It's like a human spending days, or weeks, going through A.I. generated
    images, and changing the prompt all the time, before getting a single
    picture he-or-she likes, and then telling us /hey, I made this A.I. art
    and it only took five seconds/.

    When the human could have better spent the same days or weeks to learn
    how to use CorelDRAW! and draw actual real pictures. I have included corel.coreldrawx3 in this discussion. Maybe someone there can enlighten
    us about how good pictures can be made, over several days or weeks?


    Have you considered learning how to make vector art in CorelDRAW!?
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  • From ram@[email protected] (Stefan Ram) to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy,corel.coreldrawx3 on Thu Oct 1 15:13:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    We are also not told -- at least I have never seen such texts -- how
    long it took the L.L.M. to /solve/ these puzzles, nor how many false
    starts it took the human team behind the machine, before they got some-
    thing they could use to gaslight regular people with in the news.

    Here's one example:

    Claude was prompted:

    |The problem is to compute the Six-particle (hexagon)
    |amplitude in planar N=4 SYM at nine loops.

    . It did the computation during several days for about USD 1500 using
    two different approaches and making sure the results agree. So far
    humans were only able to do eight loops, which already took years.
    So this is the first time this nine loop calculation was ever done.
    Human experts later confirmed Claude's results to be correct.

    Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy,corel.coreldrawx3
    Followup-To: alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy

    I knew that intelligent people have high reactance. Therefore, I
    used a little psychological trick to get you to discredit yourself
    by posting in wrong newsgroups repeatedly. Ha, ha, you fell for it!

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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 23:24:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/1/2026 11:13 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    We are also not told -- at least I have never seen such texts -- how
    long it took the L.L.M. to /solve/ these puzzles, nor how many false
    starts it took the human team behind the machine, before they got some-
    thing they could use to gaslight regular people with in the news.

    Here's one example:

    Claude was prompted:

    |The problem is to compute the Six-particle (hexagon)
    |amplitude in planar N=4 SYM at nine loops.

    . It did the computation during several days for about USD 1500 using
    two different approaches and making sure the results agree. So far
    humans were only able to do eight loops, which already took years.
    So this is the first time this nine loop calculation was ever done.
    Human experts later confirmed Claude's results to be correct.

    So let me get this straight, some people coded up some specific particle
    loop into an L.L.M., then used the verbal directions as a /front end/ to
    make people believe Claude did it all on its own?

    I mean, wouldn't that be considered cheating in an academic setting?
    Why don't you see this as gaslighting? Wouldn't it be more honest to
    just use the L.L.M. datacentre without the L.L.M. frontend for these
    loops?

    Plus, how many times did Claude get it wrong? We are not told. So we
    can /surmise/ that the cost of the computation was much more than U.S.D.
    $1500, but whatever. It's not like a human can do this without salary
    either, so I call it a draw.

    For that, I have decided not to include any CorelDRAW! newsgroup.


    Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy,corel.coreldrawx3 Followup-To: alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy

    I knew that intelligent people have high reactance. Therefore, I
    used a little psychological trick to get you to discredit yourself
    by posting in wrong newsgroups repeatedly. Ha, ha, you fell for it!


    I don't know about you, but I simply define myself as posting in the
    right newsgroup. I mean, I use CorelDRAW! 2021, but post in X3. Does
    that matter? No.


    Best wishes, and happy art in CorelDRAW!
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  • From ram@[email protected] (Stefan Ram) to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 15:58:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    So let me get this straight, some people coded up some specific particle
    loop into an L.L.M., then used the verbal directions as a /front end/ to
    make people believe Claude did it all on its own?

    What the reports said is they did not do any such preparation.
    A physicist issued a challenge, saying, he'd be really impressed
    if Claude could do A or B. They asked Claude, which it was more
    likely to tackle and then gave the prompt I quoted before. After
    that only management prompts followed, like

    |I'm going to sleep and won't be available for another several
    |hours. Keep working on this until I tell you to stop. Give me
    |updates every 4-6 hours.

    In July 2026, mathematician and startup co-founder Dmitry Rybin used
    OpenAI's ChatGPT (specifically the GPT-5.6 Pro model) to disprove
    the 30-year-old Dinitz-Garg-Goemans conjecture in graph theory.

    After chatting with the model about the conjecture he used four
    prompts.

    |Do a breakthrough and find a structured counterexample.

    |Continue the search.

    |Continue searching.

    |Enough of partial results, let's finish.

    (These quotes are paraphrased; the exact wording may vary slightly.)

    ChatGPT falsified the conjecture after five hours.

    Another example is the journalist Matthew Sparkes asking ChatGPT
    about a dice problem, how to design five dices so that each player
    only has to throw his die once to always get a fair clear order
    for the five players (no one has to throw twice and everyone has
    the same chance for each position). ChatGPT found a new solution
    after 15 minutes.

    So, today many reports claim that they only gave the system a
    small prompt and any following prompts were motivational prompts
    like "Continue! You can do it!".

    Some prompts need to provide more information to the chatbot if the
    query comes from a very special field where the chatbot cannot find
    the required information on his own. Like Ioannis Tsiokos who said,
    "I gave Astra the theory, I gave it the laws, I gave it the theorems,
    the Lean code, the papers". He gave it all this information about
    nonperiodic tilings of the /plane/, and the chatbot then found the
    first ever monotile to cover the /space/ aperiodically.


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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Oct 2 02:06:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/1/2026 11:58 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    So let me get this straight, some people coded up some specific particle
    loop into an L.L.M., then used the verbal directions as a /front end/ to
    make people believe Claude did it all on its own?

    What the reports said is they did not do any such preparation.
    A physicist issued a challenge, saying, he'd be really impressed
    if Claude could do A or B. They asked Claude, which it was more
    likely to tackle and then gave the prompt I quoted before. After
    that only management prompts followed, like

    |I'm going to sleep and won't be available for another several
    |hours. Keep working on this until I tell you to stop. Give me
    |updates every 4-6 hours.

    In July 2026, mathematician and startup co-founder Dmitry Rybin used
    OpenAI's ChatGPT (specifically the GPT-5.6 Pro model) to disprove
    the 30-year-old Dinitz-Garg-Goemans conjecture in graph theory.

    After chatting with the model about the conjecture he used four
    prompts.

    |Do a breakthrough and find a structured counterexample.

    |Continue the search.

    |Continue searching.

    |Enough of partial results, let's finish.

    (These quotes are paraphrased; the exact wording may vary slightly.)

    ChatGPT falsified the conjecture after five hours.

    To be clear, that's five hours of actual datacentre time, and not just
    someone sitting in front of a laptop for five hours, getting at most ten seconds of datacentre time?

    What was the power bill for those five hours, and for that kind of
    money, could a human have been paid to do it as well?

    Another example is the journalist Matthew Sparkes asking ChatGPT
    about a dice problem, how to design five dices so that each player
    only has to throw his die once to always get a fair clear order
    for the five players (no one has to throw twice and everyone has
    the same chance for each position). ChatGPT found a new solution
    after 15 minutes.

    You mean randomly stumped across a solution no one has bothered to
    counter prove yet, but OK.


    So, today many reports claim that they only gave the system a
    small prompt and any following prompts were motivational prompts
    like "Continue! You can do it!".

    Which only means they're asking the machine for more randomized output
    of gibberish. It means nothing.

    Some prompts need to provide more information to the chatbot if the
    query comes from a very special field where the chatbot cannot find
    the required information on his own. Like Ioannis Tsiokos who said,
    "I gave Astra the theory, I gave it the laws, I gave it the theorems,
    the Lean code, the papers". He gave it all this information about
    nonperiodic tilings of the /plane/, and the chatbot then found the
    first ever monotile to cover the /space/ aperiodically.

    And how is that different from asking oracle bones? I honestly don't
    see the difference, other than oracle bones take real bones to crack,
    while the machine is a machine, and will continue to output gibberish
    until a human decides it's /valid/ for some value of valid.


    At this point, I'm more interested in oracle bones than L.L.Ms. Can you
    read any?
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  • From ram@[email protected] (Stefan Ram) to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 18:31:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    To be clear, that's five hours of actual datacentre time, and not just >someone sitting in front of a laptop for five hours, getting at most ten >seconds of datacentre time?

    I assume it's realtime, and I guess approximately equivalent
    to data center time during which often one main chatbot uses
    several agents which run in parallel.

    Which only means they're asking the machine for more randomized output
    of gibberish. It means nothing.

    What Claude just did, proving the Kozma-Nitzan conjecture to
    then prove the Dying percolation conjecture (see Wikipedia)
    for all dimensions is something a human mathematician probably
    would get the Fields medal for.


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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Oct 2 02:46:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/2/2026 2:31 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    To be clear, that's five hours of actual datacentre time, and not just
    someone sitting in front of a laptop for five hours, getting at most ten
    seconds of datacentre time?

    I assume it's realtime, and I guess approximately equivalent
    to data center time during which often one main chatbot uses
    several agents which run in parallel.

    Which only means they're asking the machine for more randomized output
    of gibberish. It means nothing.

    What Claude just did, proving the Kozma-Nitzan conjecture to
    then prove the Dying percolation conjecture (see Wikipedia)
    for all dimensions is something a human mathematician probably
    would get the Fields medal for.

    Yet, I am not impressed. It looks like some mathematicians put con-
    jectures into a machine, and got randomized gibberish out, that just
    happens to be a valid proof. How is that impressive?

    If the machine could trivially solve simple conjectures, it would have
    solved Collatz' Conjecture years ago. Yet nobody has written about that
    to my knowledge.

    So how many centuries do you think it will take for a machine to gene-
    rate a valid proof of Collatz' Conjecture? Can a human do it in a num-
    ber of years instead? And what about the power bill for the datacentre
    in the mean time? Who pays that?


    Best wishes, and happy proofs of Collatz' Conjecture!
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  • From ram@[email protected] (Stefan Ram) to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Thu Oct 1 18:59:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted: >Yet, I am not impressed. It looks like some mathematicians put con-
    jectures into a machine, and got randomized gibberish out, that just
    happens to be a valid proof. How is that impressive?

    How is a valid proof randomized gibberish?

    If the machine could trivially solve simple conjectures, it would have
    solved Collatz' Conjecture years ago. Yet nobody has written about that
    to my knowledge.

    The Collatz conjecture is by no means simple to prove or disprove.

    So how many centuries do you think it will take for a machine to gene-
    rate a valid proof of Collatz' Conjecture? Can a human do it in a num-
    ber of years instead? And what about the power bill for the datacentre
    in the mean time? Who pays that?

    I don't know.


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  • From Ross Clark@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Oct 2 15:20:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 2/10/2026 2:29 a.m., Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    On 10/1/2026 2:27 PM, occam wrote:
    Dear alt.usage.english,
          comp.ai.philosophy,

    The L.L.Ms. are stupid.  Never forget that.  I was wondering, when the >>> same king ruled both Iceland, and Sweden.  I made the naive question to >>> the search engine as follows.
    Johann, you do realise that LLMs are populated with human knowledge,
    right?  It's text ('knowledge') generated by humans. So, LLMs are no
    stupider than their input. (I am side-stepping the delicate issue of
    humans who ask these questions of AIs, rather than researching their
    questions the long-hand method.)

    Dear occam,

    My point was that when the "A.I." /knows/ two different points of a
    factiod [1] it still cannot /connect the dots/ to make an overall ass- essment to answer a larger question.

    Unlike a human insufferable know-it-all.

    So this will be the next benchmark to watch for: when AI can perform
    like a HIK-I-A -- only way, way more insufferable? I begin to sense what "could destroy us all" means.

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  • From Peter Moylan@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Oct 2 13:04:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 02/10/26 12:20, Ross Clark wrote:
    On 2/10/2026 2:29 a.m., Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    On 10/1/2026 2:27 PM, occam wrote:

    My point was that when the "A.I." /knows/ two different points of
    a factiod [1] it still cannot /connect the dots/ to make an overall
    ass- essment to answer a larger question.

    Unlike a human insufferable know-it-all.

    So this will be the next benchmark to watch for: when AI can perform
    like a HIK-I-A -- only way, way more insufferable? I begin to sense
    what "could destroy us all" means.

    Arrogance seems to be a key feature of AI responses. "I know the exact
    reason for your problem. Here is the single unique reason for the
    failure." It then goes on to give an explanation that turns out to be incorrect. Whey you point out its error, it responds "Yes, you are
    right. This is because ...", and it comes up with another incorrect answer.
    --
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  • From occam@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Oct 2 10:13:49 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 02/10/2026 05:04, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/10/26 12:20, Ross Clark wrote:
    On 2/10/2026 2:29 a.m., Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    On 10/1/2026 2:27 PM, occam wrote:

    My point was that when the "A.I." /knows/ two different points of
    a factiod [1] it still cannot /connect the dots/ to make an overall
    ass- essment to answer a larger question.

    Unlike a human insufferable know-it-all.

    So this will be the next benchmark to watch for: when AI can perform
     like a HIK-I-A -- only way, way more insufferable? I begin to sense
    what "could destroy us all" means.

    Arrogance seems to be a key feature of AI responses. "I know the exact
    reason for your problem. Here is the single unique reason for the
    failure." It then goes on to give an explanation that turns out to be incorrect. Whey you point out its error, it responds "Yes, you are
    right. This is because ...", and it comes up with another incorrect answer.


    Peter, does that [admitting its error] sound like arrogance? A human
    would pretend he had been misinterpreted or misquoted (PDT comes to
    mind). An AI is more like an autistic savant. It takes no offence, but
    does not condescend either. It just plows on.

    [Has anyone had the experience of a human having the last word with an
    AI? (No.) That is because it regards that every statement that is typed
    as something it needs to react to. ]
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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Oct 2 17:20:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/2/2026 4:13 PM, occam wrote:
    On 02/10/2026 05:04, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/10/26 12:20, Ross Clark wrote:
    On 2/10/2026 2:29 a.m., Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    On 10/1/2026 2:27 PM, occam wrote:

    My point was that when the "A.I." /knows/ two different points of
    a factiod [1] it still cannot /connect the dots/ to make an overall
    ass- essment to answer a larger question.

    Unlike a human insufferable know-it-all.

    So this will be the next benchmark to watch for: when AI can perform
     like a HIK-I-A -- only way, way more insufferable? I begin to sense
    what "could destroy us all" means.

    Arrogance seems to be a key feature of AI responses. "I know the exact
    reason for your problem. Here is the single unique reason for the
    failure." It then goes on to give an explanation that turns out to be
    incorrect. Whey you point out its error, it responds "Yes, you are
    right. This is because ...", and it comes up with another incorrect answer. >>

    And will children not mimic this behaviour too? I mean, when they know
    they are wrong about something, they'll just say /yes, you're right/ and
    then give another answer they know is wrong as well?

    And what will teachers and parents do then? Think that's normal because
    the machine do it too?


    Peter, does that [admitting its error] sound like arrogance? A human
    would pretend he had been misinterpreted or misquoted (PDT comes to
    mind). An AI is more like an autistic savant. It takes no offence, but
    does not condescend either. It just plows on.

    [Has anyone had the experience of a human having the last word with an
    AI? (No.) That is because it regards that every statement that is typed
    as something it needs to react to. ]

    Isn't that how Sam Altman codes them? Or instructs his human minions to
    code the A.I? So can we infer that Sam Altman is an insufferable know-
    it-all, and believes that is normal human behaviour [sic]?
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  • From occam@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Oct 2 12:15:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 02/10/2026 11:20, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    On 10/2/2026 4:13 PM, occam wrote:


    [Has anyone had the experience of a human having the last word with an
    AI? (No.) That is because it regards that every statement that is typed
    as something it needs to react to. ]

    Isn't that how Sam Altman codes them? 

    Eh? Have you ever written a piece of code where the output is
    deliberately left <blank> ? What a silly notion.

    Or instructs his human minions to
    code the A.I?  So can we infer that Sam Altman is an insufferable know- it-all, and believes that is normal human behaviour [sic]?

    Your logic is human. I would laugh at it if it came from an AI.
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  • From Peter Moylan@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Oct 2 20:46:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 02/10/26 18:13, occam wrote:
    On 02/10/2026 05:04, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/10/26 12:20, Ross Clark wrote:
    On 2/10/2026 2:29 a.m., Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    On 10/1/2026 2:27 PM, occam wrote:

    My point was that when the "A.I." /knows/ two different points
    of a factiod [1] it still cannot /connect the dots/ to make an
    overall ass- essment to answer a larger question.

    Unlike a human insufferable know-it-all.

    So this will be the next benchmark to watch for: when AI can
    perform like a HIK-I-A -- only way, way more insufferable? I
    begin to sense what "could destroy us all" means.

    Arrogance seems to be a key feature of AI responses. "I know the
    exact reason for your problem. Here is the single unique reason for
    the failure." It then goes on to give an explanation that turns out
    to be incorrect. Whey you point out its error, it responds "Yes,
    you are right. This is because ...", and it comes up with another
    incorrect answer.

    Peter, does that [admitting its error] sound like arrogance?

    I didn't quote the full response. In fact it doesn't admit its error. Sometimes, as here, it praises its interlocutor, but it doesn't go as
    far as saying it was wrong. In some cases it contradicts something it
    earlier said was absolutely true, but in such cases it avoids mentioning
    its earlier claim.

    A human would pretend he had been misinterpreted or misquoted (PDT
    comes to mind). An AI is more like an autistic savant. It takes no
    offence, but does not condescend either. It just plows on.

    Yes, I agree.

    [Has anyone had the experience of a human having the last word with
    an AI? (No.) That is because it regards that every statement that is
    typed as something it needs to react to. ]
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  • From Anders D. Nygaard@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Fri Oct 2 22:37:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/2/2026 12:46 PM, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/10/26 18:13, occam wrote:
    On 02/10/2026 05:04, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 02/10/26 12:20, Ross Clark wrote:
    On 2/10/2026 2:29 a.m., Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    On 10/1/2026 2:27 PM, occam wrote:

    My point was that when the "A.I." /knows/ two different points
    of a factiod [1] it still cannot /connect the dots/ to make an
    overall ass- essment to answer a larger question.

    Unlike a human insufferable know-it-all.

    So this will be the next benchmark to watch for: when AI can
    perform like a HIK-I-A -- only way, way more insufferable? I
    begin to sense what "could destroy us all" means.

    Arrogance seems to be a key feature of AI responses. "I know the
    exact reason for your problem. Here is the single unique reason for
    the failure." It then goes on to give an explanation that turns out
    to be incorrect. Whey you point out its error, it responds "Yes,
    you are right. This is because ...", and it comes up with another
    incorrect answer.

    Peter, does that [admitting its error] sound like arrogance?

    I didn't quote the full response. In fact it doesn't admit its error. Sometimes, as here, it praises its interlocutor, but


    it doesn't go as
    far as saying it was wrong. In some cases it contradicts something it
    earlier said was absolutely true, but in such cases it avoids mentioning
    its earlier claim.

    Now, who does that remind me of?

    A human would pretend he had been misinterpreted or misquoted (PDT
    comes to mind). An AI is more like an autistic savant. It takes no
    offence, but does not condescend either. It just plows on.

    Yes, I agree.

    [Has anyone had the experience of a human having the last word with
    an AI? (No.) That is because it regards that every statement that is
    typed as something it needs to react to. ]

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  • From ram@[email protected] (Stefan Ram) to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Wed Oct 21 14:23:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    [email protected] (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted: >>Anyway, a human insufferable know-it-all could have corrected my ques- >>tion, and followed up with an /achtually/ stating that we are merely >>talking about four years, from fourteen hundred and ninety seven to fif- >>teen hundred and one [1].
    OTOH, more than once I got answers where the model apparently
    tried to guess my intend, and I had to write in the next prompt,
    |Please answer my question literally.

    For one example, I asked (paraphrased),

    What are the exact names of the eMudhra certificates?

    , the chatbot answered (paraphrased),

    |You do not need to remove those certificates.

    , so I wrote (paraphrased),

    Please answer my question literally by the exact names
    of those certificates!

    , only then did I get the names.

    I do not wish to say that the chatbot misbehaved, because sometimes
    it might be better not to answer a question directly (which is what
    Johann wrote). I just want to show that chatbots already do this.


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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Sun Oct 25 20:54:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/2/2026 2:59 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted:
    Yet, I am not impressed. It looks like some mathematicians put con-
    jectures into a machine, and got randomized gibberish out, that just
    happens to be a valid proof. How is that impressive?

    How is a valid proof randomized gibberish?

    Dear Stefan,


    I believe you've not thought through how this works in the real world.
    When a mathematician asks the machine to generate /stochastically in-
    correct sentences/, for long enough that a valid proof appears [1] he
    stops asking the machine for more output.

    So, it's a matter of being lazy to write a proof, but smart enough to
    recognize one when seen.

    Had the mathematician continued to ask for /further proof/, I'm fairly
    certain the machine would have started to output gibberish [2] again,
    and not stopped until the mathematician had given up. Or ran out of
    L.L.M. tokens; whichever comes first.


    If the machine could trivially solve simple conjectures, it would have
    solved Collatz' Conjecture years ago. Yet nobody has written about that
    to my knowledge.

    The Collatz conjecture is by no means simple to prove or disprove.

    But it is /easy to state/, so it is quite obvious that the machine
    should be able to trivially prove it, because it's -- I'm not up to
    snuff on the politically correct terminology -- /super intelligent/,
    and therefore capable of doing things no man has ever done before, nor
    wants to do in the first place.

    I mean, isn't that what the priests of comp.ai.philosophy want us to be-
    lieve? That the machine is both intelligent and useful? While I main-
    tain it's neither. It's stupid and useless [in the grand scheme of
    things].


    So how many centuries do you think it will take for a machine to gene-
    rate a valid proof of Collatz' Conjecture? Can a human do it in a num-
    ber of years instead? And what about the power bill for the datacentre
    in the mean time? Who pays that?

    I don't know.

    That's fine. I don't know either who's going to pay the L.L.M. tokens
    to prove Collatz' Conjecture. But what it does tell us -- that it isn't
    solved -- is that Sam Altman is hiding things from us. I mean, it
    should be obvious this is one of the first tasks one points a /super intelligent/ machine at, and since Sam Altman is not telling us he's do-
    ing it, he must be hiding more and even deeper failures of the machine.

    So we can safely come to the conclusion that the "A.I. hype" is gas-
    lighting and propaganda all the way down. My own rejection of the
    machine is to spend the money I could have spent on L.L.M. tokens, on
    physical books to improve my own literacy -- if not intelligence [3].


    Best wishes, and happy staying away from L.L.Ms!

    [1] And he is duly anointed members of the mathematical priesthood, hav-
    ing all the required doctorates of philosophies, and therefore is emi-
    nently qualified to recognize and verify said proof.

    [2] And since the machine has also read Abu Musa Jabir ibn Hayyan, it's
    quite capable of outputting gibberish forever.

    [3] I don't know how this works, but I'm fairly certain just reading a
    book on a subject does not make a person more intelligent.
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  • From Bob@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy,comp.lang.misc on Sun Oct 25 14:15:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> writes:

    On 10/1/2026 5:27 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted: >>> Anyway, a human insufferable know-it-all could have corrected my ques-
    tion, and followed up with an /achtually/ stating that we are merely
    talking about four years, from fourteen hundred and ninety seven to fif- >>> teen hundred and one [1].

    OTOH, more than once I got answers where the model apparently
    tried to guess my intend, and I had to write in the next prompt,

    |Please answer my question literally.

    Dear Stefan,

    Usually, when that happens to me, it seems to want to make up the quest-
    ion. As in, answer something completely different. Sometimes, when I
    ask a search engine for a definition of a word, the /ai assist/ will de-
    fine a completely different word.

    So I have trained myself never to read the /ai assist/ summary when ask-
    ing a dictionary, and always click merriam-webster, oxford, cambridge,
    or some other well known human-edited dictionary.

    May I add that using "dict", or some convenient graphical interface for
    that, will allow for (ab)using less resources. Rejoice. Check.

    Cheers,

    Bob
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  • From Bob@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Sun Oct 25 14:27:40 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    [email protected] (Stefan Ram) writes:

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted: >>We are also not told -- at least I have never seen such texts -- how
    long it took the L.L.M. to /solve/ these puzzles, nor how many false
    starts it took the human team behind the machine, before they got some- >>thing they could use to gaslight regular people with in the news.

    Here's one example:

    Claude was prompted:

    |The problem is to compute the Six-particle (hexagon)
    |amplitude in planar N=4 SYM at nine loops.

    . It did the computation during several days for about USD 1500 using
    two different approaches and making sure the results agree. So far
    humans were only able to do eight loops, which already took years.
    So this is the first time this nine loop calculation was ever done.
    Human experts later confirmed Claude's results to be correct.

    The thing here is: in the thing about Iceland, it simply cannot reason over periods in time, since, well, it does not "recognise" the facts humans can
    see: periods of time, connected to countries being tied together, and reason from there.

    It only can, if additional coding is applied which allow for these data to become facts (not factoids ;) ).

    In math, I suppose, the "only thing" (allright, that's an understatement)
    one has to do is connect / combine outcomes, up to the point that the
    given proposition yields. Or not. But I assume, in the latter case, it will continue forever, or until all combinations are exhausted.
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  • From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@[email protected] to alt.usage.english,comp.ai.philosophy on Sun Oct 25 23:29:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.ai.philosophy

    On 10/25/2026 10:27 PM, Bob wrote:
    [email protected] (Stefan Ram) writes:

    Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <[email protected]d> wrote or quoted: >>> We are also not told -- at least I have never seen such texts -- how
    long it took the L.L.M. to /solve/ these puzzles, nor how many false
    starts it took the human team behind the machine, before they got some-
    thing they could use to gaslight regular people with in the news.

    Here's one example:

    Claude was prompted:

    |The problem is to compute the Six-particle (hexagon)
    |amplitude in planar N=4 SYM at nine loops.

    . It did the computation during several days for about USD 1500 using
    two different approaches and making sure the results agree. So far
    humans were only able to do eight loops, which already took years.
    So this is the first time this nine loop calculation was ever done.
    Human experts later confirmed Claude's results to be correct.

    The thing here is: in the thing about Iceland, it simply cannot reason over periods in time, since, well, it does not "recognise" the facts humans can see: periods of time, connected to countries being tied together, and reason from there.

    Exactly.


    It only can, if additional coding is applied which allow for these data to become facts (not factoids ;) ).

    But then it wouldn't be an L.L.M. anymore.


    In math, I suppose, the "only thing" (allright, that's an understatement)
    one has to do is connect / combine outcomes, up to the point that the
    given proposition yields. Or not. But I assume, in the latter case, it will continue forever, or until all combinations are exhausted.

    I guess one could try to create /intelligence/ with an application of
    graph theory, but as far as I understand the mechanism, that also would
    not be an L.L.M. And I don't think /reinforcement learning/ can make a
    machine more intelligent, but am willing to be surprised on that front.

    I mean, we haven't even defined what an intelligent machine actually is,
    so we can speculate and argue endlessly.

    And why do I keep harping on this over and over again? Because so much
    of our current news coverage is A.I. gaslighting, paid for by Mr. Sam
    Altman himself even.


    Best wishes, and happy avoiding L.L.Ms!
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