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As usual, varous bug fixes. Some gesture support added.

Full details on the forum:
https://8th-dev.com/forum/index.php?topic=3076.0
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In article <10e7cr1$21cm5$[email protected]>, Ron AARON <[email protected]> wrote: >As usual, varous bug fixes. Some gesture support added.

Full details on the forum:
https://8th-dev.com/forum/index.php?topic=3076.0

I wonder, have you secured your backups outside Israel in view of the
impending war on Iran?

Groetjes Albert
--
The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
over 80 years, like Western Europe.
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I wonder, have you secured your backups outside Holland in view of the impending war on Russia?

I know, I have!

Hans Bezemer

On 02-11-2025 13:06, [email protected] wrote:

In article <10e7cr1$21cm5$[email protected]>, Ron AARON <[email protected]> wrote:

As usual, varous bug fixes. Some gesture support added.

Full details on the forum:
https://8th-dev.com/forum/index.php?topic=3076.0

I wonder, have you secured your backups outside Israel in view of the impending war on Iran?

Groetjes Albert

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In article <nnd$7850dcaf$7d28915e@8a458320b3789b03>,
Hans Bezemer <[email protected]> wrote:

I wonder, have you secured your backups outside Holland in view of the >impending war on Russia?

I intend to secure all mywork in gitee (china).
China is the mightiest military force and gaining strenghts.

Although the Netherlands plays dangerous games with tomahawk
missiles, the danger is not as great and imminent as for Israel.

I know, I have!

Hans Bezemer

Groetjes Albert

--
The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
over 80 years, like Western Europe.
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On 3/11/2025 2:16 am, Hans Bezemer wrote:

I wonder, have you secured your backups outside Holland in view of the impending war on Russia?

I know, I have!

Hans Bezemer

On 02-11-2025 13:06, [email protected] wrote:

In article <10e7cr1$21cm5$[email protected]>, Ron AARON  <[email protected]> wrote:

As usual, varous bug fixes. Some gesture support added.

Full details on the forum:
https://8th-dev.com/forum/index.php?topic=3076.0

I wonder, have you secured your backups outside Israel in view of the
impending war on Iran?

Groetjes Albert

"One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief
that one's work is terribly important." - Bertrand Russell

Wit and humour rolled into one. Makes one wonder what Russell would think
of the world and its leaders today. Frightening still is that the world
hasn't produced another like him, rather it grows increasingly insane.

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On 2/11/2025 9:46 pm, Ron AARON wrote:

As usual, varous bug fixes. Some gesture support added.

Full details on the forum:
https://8th-dev.com/forum/index.php?topic=3076.0

Presumably for 'members only' since one now has to sign-in to see it.

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I changed that back to "public" this morning. I had changed it since my
site was getting VPN-bombed from... well, I can't say since they were
behind VPNs. Assholes, but not sure what variety of asshole.

On 03/11/2025 3:30, dxf wrote:

On 2/11/2025 9:46 pm, Ron AARON wrote:

As usual, varous bug fixes. Some gesture support added.

Full details on the forum:
https://8th-dev.com/forum/index.php?topic=3076.0

Presumably for 'members only' since one now has to sign-in to see it.

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Indeed, regardless of any involvement with Iran, I have secured backups elsewhere. Not that my stuff is that important, but it's important to me
at least.

My code is replicated across several machines.
Then, weekly backups are put on alternate disk-on-keys, one of which is
in an EMP-proof enclosure.
Then, encrypted backups are uploaded to two different cloud services.

So, yeah: I'm backed-up.

On 02/11/2025 14:06, [email protected] wrote:

In article <10e7cr1$21cm5$[email protected]>, Ron AARON <[email protected]> wrote:

As usual, varous bug fixes. Some gesture support added.

Full details on the forum:
https://8th-dev.com/forum/index.php?topic=3076.0

I wonder, have you secured your backups outside Israel in view of the impending war on Iran?

Groetjes Albert

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I intend to secure all mywork in gitee (china).
China is the mightiest military force and gaining strenghts.

Putting personal trust in a regime that has had no problems at all in
killing over 70 million of its own citizens is - how shall I put this? - "brave".

Although the Netherlands plays dangerous games with tomahawk
missiles, the danger is not as great and imminent as for Israel.

"What can be be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without
evidence."

-- Christopher Hitchens

Shall we quit the politics and bash each others heads in over compilers
and stuff? As usual?

Hans Bezemer

On 02-11-2025 20:05, [email protected] wrote:

In article <nnd$7850dcaf$7d28915e@8a458320b3789b03>,
Hans Bezemer <[email protected]> wrote:

I wonder, have you secured your backups outside Holland in view of the
impending war on Russia?

I intend to secure all mywork in gitee (china).
China is the mightiest military force and gaining strenghts.

Although the Netherlands plays dangerous games with tomahawk
missiles, the danger is not as great and imminent as for Israel.

I know, I have!

Hans Bezemer

Groetjes Albert

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In article <nnd$15f7d4e8$40fe6575@c6363bb1f4a46ecf>,
Hans Bezemer <[email protected]> wrote:

I intend to secure all mywork in gitee (china).
China is the mightiest military force and gaining strenghts.

Putting personal trust in a regime that has had no problems at all in
killing over 70 million of its own citizens is - how shall I put this? - >"brave".

This is simplistic propaganda.
"What can be be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without
evidence."
Assuming that *this* regime has killed 70 million, that has nothing
to do with the safety of his website gitee that is much on the
interest of the said regime.

Although the Netherlands plays dangerous games with tomahawk
missiles, the danger is not as great and imminent as for Israel.

"What can be be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without >evidence."

An inhabitant of Israel is at a greater risk for personal security as
an in habitant of the Netherlands. That is evident. Not needing quotes
of professors.

Shall we quit the politics and bash each others heads in over compilers
and stuff? As usual?

Please. But I couldn't your knee jerk anti-chinese reaction stand.

Hans Bezemer

--
The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
over 80 years, like Western Europe.
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On 04/11/2025 14:10, [email protected] wrote:

An inhabitant of Israel is at a greater risk for personal security as
an in habitant of the Netherlands. That is evident. Not needing quotes
of professors.

Hmm. According to the CIA "World Factbook", the death rates per 1,000 as
of 2024 are

NL : 9.7
IL : 5.2
CN : 7.7

Life expectancy (male/female)

NL : 80.3 / 83.5
IL : 81.1 / 85.1
CN : 76 / 81.7

Birth rate (per 1,000 population)

NL : 10.6
IL : 19.1
CN : 10.2

Take from all that what you will.
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On 04-11-2025 13:10, [email protected] wrote:

An inhabitant of Israel is at a greater risk for personal security as
an in habitant of the Netherlands. That is evident. Not needing quotes
of professors.

See the statistics pulled up in this and another post.

China is the mightiest military force and gaining strengths.

US expenses: ~$1 trillion
China expenses: ~$315 billion

Although China has twice the cannon fodder, it is far less capable to
project that power.

Numerically, China's navy has the upper hand - but technologically the
US has far more capable vessels - e.g. the US has *no* patrol vessels,
*no* frigates and *barely* any mine warfare or corvettes.

Combined these make up for 269 of the 314 vessels difference. Concerning
air power there is no comparison.

Since 40% of *ALL* all military expenditure is done by the US, that
alone puts your statement up for discussion.

In conclusion, I think that Hitchens laurals are still well deserved.
Question everything. And even that.

Sorry. But I couldn't your knee jerk Chinese propaganda stand.

Stand down, Bezemer. At ease.

Hans Bezemer

In article <nnd$15f7d4e8$40fe6575@c6363bb1f4a46ecf>,
Hans Bezemer <[email protected]> wrote:

I intend to secure all mywork in gitee (china).
China is the mightiest military force and gaining strenghts.

Putting personal trust in a regime that has had no problems at all in
killing over 70 million of its own citizens is - how shall I put this? -
"brave".

This is simplistic propaganda.
"What can be be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
Assuming that *this* regime has killed 70 million, that has nothing
to do with the safety of his website gitee that is much on the
interest of the said regime.

Although the Netherlands plays dangerous games with tomahawk
missiles, the danger is not as great and imminent as for Israel.

"What can be be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without
evidence."

An inhabitant of Israel is at a greater risk for personal security as
an in habitant of the Netherlands. That is evident. Not needing quotes
of professors.

Shall we quit the politics and bash each others heads in over compilers
and stuff? As usual?

Please. But I couldn't your knee jerk anti-chinese reaction stand.

Hans Bezemer

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On 4/11/2025 11:55 pm, Ron AARON wrote:

On 04/11/2025 14:10, [email protected] wrote:

An inhabitant of Israel is at a greater risk for personal security as
an in habitant of the Netherlands. That is evident. Not needing quotes
of professors.

Hmm. According to the CIA "World Factbook", the death rates per 1,000 as of 2024 are

NL : 9.7
IL : 5.2
CN : 7.7

Life expectancy (male/female)

NL : 80.3 / 83.5
IL : 81.1 / 85.1
CN : 76 / 81.7

Birth rate (per 1,000 population)

NL : 10.6
IL : 19.1
CN : 10.2

Take from all that what you will.

Humanity is an expendable self-renewing resource?

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On 05/11/2025 2:43, dxf wrote:

On 4/11/2025 11:55 pm, Ron AARON wrote:

On 04/11/2025 14:10, [email protected] wrote:

An inhabitant of Israel is at a greater risk for personal security as
an in habitant of the Netherlands. That is evident. Not needing quotes
of professors.

Hmm. According to the CIA "World Factbook", the death rates per 1,000 as of 2024 are

NL : 9.7
IL : 5.2
CN : 7.7

Life expectancy (male/female)

NL : 80.3 / 83.5
IL : 81.1 / 85.1
CN : 76 / 81.7

Birth rate (per 1,000 population)

NL : 10.6
IL : 19.1
CN : 10.2

Take from all that what you will.

Humanity is an expendable self-renewing resource?

It's the "circle of life"!
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In article <nnd$78a6fd4d$68a86c01@aef7deec29686d11>,
Hans Bezemer <[email protected]> wrote:

On 04-11-2025 13:10, [email protected] wrote:

An inhabitant of Israel is at a greater risk for personal security as
an in habitant of the Netherlands. That is evident. Not needing quotes
of professors.

See the statistics pulled up in this and another post.

(By the way I was not speaking of life expectancy, but of impending wars.)
The Israel figures take into account only the "Herrenvolk", not
all the inhabitants of Israel. With ten thousands of babies and
toddlers killed, the average life expectancy surely drops significantly.
A substantial part of Israeli's have fled. Many of them have double
passports. There are many footnotes needed, to have an idea of how
you arrive at a reliable figure, if you take only the "Herrenvolk"
into account.

China is the mightiest military force and gaining strengths.

US expenses: ~$1 trillion
China expenses: ~$315 billion

Although China has twice the cannon fodder, it is far less capable to
project that power.

Cannon fodder doesn't count for much in present wars.
China doesn't want "project power" as the USA does in Venezuela.
Drones is the modern warfare.
Drone displays, thousands of them, replacing traditional fireworks,
displaying fighting dragons in the sky for Chinese newyear.
(See youtube).
The USA is far behind and till this day relying on Chinese technology.
There is a push to an all American drone to be used by the military.
Only a handful of manufactures were approved, the others were somehow
far in the supply chain dependant on China.

Numerically, China's navy has the upper hand - but technologically the
US has far more capable vessels - e.g. the US has *no* patrol vessels,
*no* frigates and *barely* any mine warfare or corvettes.

Combined these make up for 269 of the 314 vessels difference. Concerning
air power there is no comparison.

Fun fact. The China capacity for ship building is ca 300 (!!!) times
the capacity of the United States. The United States needs the help of
Korea ship yard needed to build a war ship and changed laws to make
this possible.
The USA manufacturing capacity was decisive in WWII. Then they
built a ship in a mere three weeks. Not any more.
The nuclear powered submarine for Australia is over time and over
budget. The excuse was that you couldn't hire welders in the USA.

China builds air craft carriers three times as fast as the USA. The
latest aircraft carriers has 4 independant electrical launchers,
capable of launching the 5-generation jets and ,importantly, drones.
The first one was a try out and a training ship. The upcoming ones
are nuclear powered, and combined with the electrical launchers
they are more capable.

The development in China are fast. In 2015 the CIA-backed Uiygur-terrorist could destabilise Xinjian. Now Xinjian is prosperous, 85% of the
cotton is picked mechanically, and they are producing these machines
themselves putting John Deer in the USA out of business.

The USA electrical attempts of carrier launchers are unreliable and
Trump pushes to get back to steam launchers but they are way slower
that electrical. The USA electrical launchers exhibits single point of
failure. If one fails the others fail too.
The steam launchers need a longer startup time, and longer time
between launches, they aren't delicate enough to launch
drones. The USA don't trust them enough to launch a F-35.
The next to last generation of Chinese jet J20 were capable to
shoot down the latest French jet Rafale. The stealth
J-47 is operational and shown to the world as are hypersonic missiles.
What is in the works is hidden.

Air power? You need only hypersonic missiles. The USA estimates
that in a conflict an air carrier last half an hour.

Since 40% of *ALL* all military expenditure is done by the US, that
alone puts your statement up for discussion.

What? A chinese worker outputs three times as much as an USA worker,
for one third of the costs. So comparing expenses makes no sense.
"The USA weapons industry makes money, the China weapons industry
makes weapons".)

Development in China is fast. Remember the embargo on selling the most capabable Nvidia AI-chips to China? Nvidia lost a billion dollar market.
Now the government has issued an order to use only China developed
ai chips. The ai chips were at first no capable, but the quantify and
lower energy prices compensated for that. The they became more capable fast
and now it is reversed, Trump asks Xi to open the market for
Nvidia chips. The embargo has back fired. Previously China was
dependant on USA, not any more.

In conclusion, I think that Hitchens laurals are still well deserved. >Question everything. And even that.

Good point. I suggest that you start with the facts, it is no use to
question anything if you can't have the facts straight.

<SNIP>

Hans Bezemer

Groetjes Albert.
--
The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
over 80 years, like Western Europe.
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On 05-11-2025 14:01, [email protected] wrote:

(By the way I was not speaking of life expectancy, but of impending wars.)

Well, quantify. If you can't quantify, it's an empty statement.

With ten thousands of babies and toddlers killed, the average life expectancy surely drops significantly.

Gazans do not have a clear, singular legal status; they are considered stateless by some international bodies but hold Palestinian Authority
(PA) passports, which are recognized internationally as travel documents rather than proof of full citizenship in a sovereign state.

So - no Israeli citizens, hence no influence on the statistics.

However, the Knesset amended the Citizenship Law in 1980 to fully
resolve statelessness for this group of residents; all Arab residents
who had been living in Israel before 1948 were granted citizenship
regardless of their eligibility under the 1952 residence requirements,
along with their children. And that's the way it is.

You're not only talking nonsense, you're even not taking the trouble to
do your homework. Well, if you rather make a fool of yourself, be my guest.

A substantial part of Israeli's have fled.

Quantify. If you can't quantify, it's an empty statement.

Many of them have double
passports.

Quantify. If you can't quantify, it's an empty statement. Note - I DO quantify. Up to the very last Chinese patrol vessel. ;-)

C'mon - I can do this all night.

Hans Bezemer

China is the mightiest military force and gaining strengths.

US expenses: ~$1 trillion
China expenses: ~$315 billion

Although China has twice the cannon fodder, it is far less capable to
project that power.

Cannon fodder doesn't count for much in present wars.
China doesn't want "project power" as the USA does in Venezuela.
Drones is the modern warfare.
Drone displays, thousands of them, replacing traditional fireworks, displaying fighting dragons in the sky for Chinese newyear.
(See youtube).
The USA is far behind and till this day relying on Chinese technology.
There is a push to an all American drone to be used by the military.
Only a handful of manufactures were approved, the others were somehow
far in the supply chain dependant on China.

Numerically, China's navy has the upper hand - but technologically the
US has far more capable vessels - e.g. the US has *no* patrol vessels,
*no* frigates and *barely* any mine warfare or corvettes.

Combined these make up for 269 of the 314 vessels difference. Concerning
air power there is no comparison.

Fun fact. The China capacity for ship building is ca 300 (!!!) times
the capacity of the United States. The United States needs the help of
Korea ship yard needed to build a war ship and changed laws to make
this possible.
The USA manufacturing capacity was decisive in WWII. Then they
built a ship in a mere three weeks. Not any more.
The nuclear powered submarine for Australia is over time and over
budget. The excuse was that you couldn't hire welders in the USA.

China builds air craft carriers three times as fast as the USA. The
latest aircraft carriers has 4 independant electrical launchers,
capable of launching the 5-generation jets and ,importantly, drones.
The first one was a try out and a training ship. The upcoming ones
are nuclear powered, and combined with the electrical launchers
they are more capable.

The development in China are fast. In 2015 the CIA-backed Uiygur-terrorist could destabilise Xinjian. Now Xinjian is prosperous, 85% of the
cotton is picked mechanically, and they are producing these machines themselves putting John Deer in the USA out of business.

The USA electrical attempts of carrier launchers are unreliable and
Trump pushes to get back to steam launchers but they are way slower
that electrical. The USA electrical launchers exhibits single point of failure. If one fails the others fail too.
The steam launchers need a longer startup time, and longer time
between launches, they aren't delicate enough to launch
drones. The USA don't trust them enough to launch a F-35.
The next to last generation of Chinese jet J20 were capable to
shoot down the latest French jet Rafale. The stealth
J-47 is operational and shown to the world as are hypersonic missiles.
What is in the works is hidden.

Air power? You need only hypersonic missiles. The USA estimates
that in a conflict an air carrier last half an hour.

Since 40% of *ALL* all military expenditure is done by the US, that
alone puts your statement up for discussion.

What? A chinese worker outputs three times as much as an USA worker,
for one third of the costs. So comparing expenses makes no sense.
"The USA weapons industry makes money, the China weapons industry
makes weapons".)

Development in China is fast. Remember the embargo on selling the most capabable Nvidia AI-chips to China? Nvidia lost a billion dollar market.
Now the government has issued an order to use only China developed
ai chips. The ai chips were at first no capable, but the quantify and
lower energy prices compensated for that. The they became more capable fast and now it is reversed, Trump asks Xi to open the market for
Nvidia chips. The embargo has back fired. Previously China was
dependant on USA, not any more.

In conclusion, I think that Hitchens laurals are still well deserved.
Question everything. And even that.

Good point. I suggest that you start with the facts, it is no use to
question anything if you can't have the facts straight.

<SNIP>

Hans Bezemer

Groetjes Albert.

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On 05-11-2025 14:01, [email protected] wrote:

The USA is far behind and till this day relying on Chinese technology.

AFAIK the equivalent of Starship blew up. They can't even replicate a Falcon-9. And their efforts to replicate ASML machine was also an
embarrassing failure. Personally, I don't find TEMU and AliExpress not
very convincing either ;-)

But you can't build a case on anecdotal evidence. Every single scientist
knows that. It invites "cherry picking" fallacies.

Fun fact. The China capacity for ship building is ca 300 (!!!) times

Actually, it is 232 times.

The USA manufacturing capacity was decisive in WWII. Then they
built a ship in a mere three weeks. Not any more.
The nuclear powered submarine for Australia is over time and over
budget. The excuse was that you couldn't hire welders in the USA.

Anecdotal evidence.

The next to last generation of Chinese jet J20 were capable to
shoot down the latest French jet Rafale.

Anecdotal evidence

The stealth
J-47 is operational and shown to the world as are hypersonic missiles.
What is in the works is hidden.

I doubt it. There is no J-47. There is a J-35, a J-36 and a J-50. An
estimated number of 57 J-35 may be operational - or may be not. Or less.
The others are *NOT* operational.

Air power? You need only hypersonic missiles. The USA estimates
that in a conflict an air carrier last half an hour.

Why build a whole slew of aircraft carriers or 6th generation jets when they're all blown out of the sky in half an hour? Doesn't seem like a
viable strategy.

What? A chinese worker outputs three times as much as an USA worker,
for one third of the costs. So comparing expenses makes no sense.

Actually, it does. The buying power (which is adjusted for such factors)
is almost on par between the two. And - as you stated yourself - the US
has proven to be capable to expand its production capacity dramatically
in WWII. Can it now? Anybodies guess.

But I'll give you another one. The US capacity for producing oil is
vastly superior to China. And the Ukrainians have proven this is of
vital importance. Given that the US has China practically surrounded
with military bases and assets in the region, it has the possibility to
target these resources massively and relatively cheaply.

Hans Bezemer

Development in China is fast. Remember the embargo on selling the most capabable Nvidia AI-chips to China? Nvidia lost a billion dollar market.
Now the government has issued an order to use only China developed
ai chips. The ai chips were at first no capable, but the quantify and
lower energy prices compensated for that. The they became more capable fast and now it is reversed, Trump asks Xi to open the market for
Nvidia chips. The embargo has back fired. Previously China was
dependant on USA, not any more.

In conclusion, I think that Hitchens laurals are still well deserved.
Question everything. And even that.

Good point. I suggest that you start with the facts, it is no use to
question anything if you can't have the facts straight.

<SNIP>

Hans Bezemer

Groetjes Albert.

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