You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. They came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the MacBook Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 GB SSD. Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. They came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the MacBook Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 GB SSD. Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8 GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 11:20:58 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
Not too well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
They're trying but it's been a struggle.
On 2026-03-06, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 11:20:58 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few
months ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
Not too well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
They're trying but it's been a struggle.
That's what I've heard. But, by the time MacBook Neos are sold as second hand, it might be different. Who knows. (Even if Linux is supported on
the Neo, the keyboard will still be wonky, from my point of view.)
I wonder how deeply the Neo will cut into Microsoft 11 sales?
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right.
They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the
MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512
GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their
sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 02:32:42 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:Don't be so sure of that.
On 2026-03-06, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 11:20:58 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few
months ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
Not too well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
They're trying but it's been a struggle.
That's what I've heard. But, by the time MacBook Neos are sold as second
hand, it might be different. Who knows. (Even if Linux is supported on
the Neo, the keyboard will still be wonky, from my point of view.)
I wonder how deeply the Neo will cut into Microsoft 11 sales?
I really don't expect much. Windows users will stick to the inexpensive
x64 laptops that have acceptable performance in that price range.
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right.
They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the
MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512
GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18
CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop
(and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at
one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months >>> ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their
sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
rbowman wrote:
Don't be so sure of that.
I really don't expect much. Windows users will stick to the inexpensive
x64 laptops that have acceptable performance in that price range.
I'd bet very large without even checking benchmarks that the MacBook Neo >will trounce x64 laptops of similar price; both on actual computing >performance AND battery life.
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. They >came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the MacBook >Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 GB SSD. >Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8 >GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and >wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of >these.
At my company, there's a rumor that we are going to switch to Mac's for
our office PC's (laptops). I would guess Macbook Pro's.
I don't know what to think about that. Almost all of the computers that
we use for testing product (which I use and support) are running
Windows.
Alan wrote:
rbowman wrote:
Don't be so sure of that.
I really don't expect much. Windows users will stick to the inexpensive
x64 laptops that have acceptable performance in that price range.
I'd bet very large without even checking benchmarks that the MacBook Neo
will trounce x64 laptops of similar price; both on actual computing
performance AND battery life.
At my company, there's a rumor that we are going to switch to Mac's
for our office PC's (laptops). I would guess Macbook Pro's.
I don't know what to think about that. Almost all of the computersThe number of support staff you need for Macs is FAR less.
that we use for testing product (which I use and support) are running Windows.
On 2026-03-07 07:02, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
rbowman wrote:
Don't be so sure of that.
I really don't expect much. Windows users will stick to the inexpensive >>>> x64 laptops that have acceptable performance in that price range.
I'd bet very large without even checking benchmarks that the MacBook Neo >>> will trounce x64 laptops of similar price; both on actual computing
performance AND battery life.
At my company, there's a rumor that we are going to switch to Mac's
for our office PC's (laptops). I would guess Macbook Pro's.
I used to have a client where they were an all Windows shop except for
the marketing/creative department (ads, store displays, catalogs, etc).
They had... ...a dozen Macs, maybe, and no one in-house who could
support them, so they brought me on.
And as I got their Macs integrated with their Exchange environment
better and better, the executives started to want MacBook Pros for themselves... ...and then their assistants...
...and long story short, they ended up with enough Macs that it made
sense to hire someone full-time who was cross-platform fluent.
I don't know what to think about that. Almost all of the computers
that we use for testing product (which I use and support) are running
Windows.
The number of support staff you need for Macs is FAR less.
Honestly: I still technically have Mac-using clients, but I never have anything that needs doing for them.
On 3/7/2026 1:38 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something
right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the
MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512
GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18
CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop
(and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at
one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few
months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their
sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
Alan the mind reader, again. Bullshit. I know macOS and Windows 11 can run in 8 GB.
That's not the fucking point, it sucks as a hardware
investment. I look down on PCs with low specs, too.
And apparently youOh, how so?
do when it comes to the CPU.
RonB wrote:It's a lot of computing power... ...for the money.
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. They >> came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the MacBook >> Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 GB SSD. >> Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of
these.
Seems like a decent machine at a reasonable price, for those who don't require a lot of computing power.
On 2026-03-07 06:45, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 1:38 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something
right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the >>>>> MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the
512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18
CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new
laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at
one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few
months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their
sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
Alan the mind reader, again. Bullshit. I know macOS and Windows 11
can run in 8 GB.
Again: capability is not capacity.
How WELL does each run?
That's not the fucking point, it sucks as a hardware investment. I
look down on PCs with low specs, too.
And yet you bought one...
And apparently you do when it comes to the CPU.Oh, how so?
The A18 Pro in the MacBook Neo has benchmark scores as an Intel Core i5-1245U...
...which is far, FAR faster than your actual low spec Intel N150.
:-)
On 2026-03-07 08:19, chrisv wrote:
RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right.
They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the
MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512
GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18
CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop
(and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at
one of
these.
Seems like a decent machine at a reasonable price, for those who don't
require a lot of computing power.
It's a lot of computing power... ...for the money.
:-)
On 3/7/2026 6:11 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 06:45, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 1:38 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something
right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook,
the MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the
512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 >>>>>> CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new
laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at >>>>>> one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few >>>>>> months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their >>>>> sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
Alan the mind reader, again. Bullshit. I know macOS and Windows 11
can run in 8 GB.
Again: capability is not capacity.
How WELL does each run?
8 GB is adequate. Better in a Mac than in a PC, I admit.
That's not the fucking point, it sucks as a hardware investment. I
look down on PCs with low specs, too.
And yet you bought one...
Nope, I got my 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD. You're wrong about the CPU
being a major bottleneck.
And apparently you do when it comes to the CPU.Oh, how so?
The A18 Pro in the MacBook Neo has benchmark scores as an Intel Core
i5-1245U...
...which is far, FAR faster than your actual low spec Intel N150.
:-)
But how much RAM and storage does it have?You'll move the goalposts every time, won't you?
On 3/7/2026 6:03 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 07:02, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
rbowman wrote:
Don't be so sure of that.
I really don't expect much. Windows users will stick to the
inexpensive
x64 laptops that have acceptable performance in that price range.
I'd bet very large without even checking benchmarks that the MacBook
Neo
will trounce x64 laptops of similar price; both on actual computing
performance AND battery life.
At my company, there's a rumor that we are going to switch to Mac's
for our office PC's (laptops). I would guess Macbook Pro's.
I used to have a client where they were an all Windows shop except for
the marketing/creative department (ads, store displays, catalogs, etc).
They had... ...a dozen Macs, maybe, and no one in-house who could
support them, so they brought me on.
And as I got their Macs integrated with their Exchange environment
better and better, the executives started to want MacBook Pros for
themselves... ...and then their assistants...
...and long story short, they ended up with enough Macs that it made
sense to hire someone full-time who was cross-platform fluent.
It astounds me that you have this kind of career with computers and
can't debate your way out of a wet paper bag, with me, because you
enable Apple.
I don't know what to think about that. Almost all of the computers
that we use for testing product (which I use and support) are running
Windows.
The number of support staff you need for Macs is FAR less.
Honestly: I still technically have Mac-using clients, but I never have
anything that needs doing for them.
Sounds like hyperbole.Nope.
buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
On 3/7/2026 6:11 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 08:19, chrisv wrote:
RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something
right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the
MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512
GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18
CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop
(and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at
one of
these.
Seems like a decent machine at a reasonable price, for those who don't
require a lot of computing power.
It's a lot of computing power... ...for the money.
:-)
That's rubbish, buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.So that's a tacit (Do you know what "tacit" means?) admission that in
On 3/7/2026 6:28 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:
buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
blow* away
On 2026-03-07 15:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:11 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 06:45, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 1:38 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something
right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, >>>>>>> the MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the >>>>>>> 512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the
A18 CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new
laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look >>>>>>> at one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few >>>>>>> months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits
their sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
Alan the mind reader, again. Bullshit. I know macOS and Windows 11 >>>> can run in 8 GB.
Again: capability is not capacity.
How WELL does each run?
8 GB is adequate. Better in a Mac than in a PC, I admit.
So not equivalent...
...just as I implied.
:-)
That's not the fucking point, it sucks as a hardware investment. I
look down on PCs with low specs, too.
And yet you bought one...
Nope, I got my 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD. You're wrong about the CPU
being a major bottleneck.
Your N150 IS a major bottleneck.
And apparently you do when it comes to the CPU.
Oh, how so?
The A18 Pro in the MacBook Neo has benchmark scores as an Intel Core
i5-1245U...
...which is far, FAR faster than your actual low spec Intel N150.
:-)
But how much RAM and storage does it have?
You'll move the goalposts every time, won't you?
Will you acknowledge that the A18 Pro CPU in the MacBook Neo is FAR
faster than your Intel N150?
Yes or no.
On 3/7/2026 6:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 15:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:11 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 06:45, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 1:38 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something >>>>>>>> right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, >>>>>>>> the MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the >>>>>>>> 512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the >>>>>>>> A18 CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new >>>>>>>> laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look >>>>>>>> at one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a >>>>>>>> few months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits
their sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
Alan the mind reader, again. Bullshit. I know macOS and Windows >>>>> 11 can run in 8 GB.
Again: capability is not capacity.
How WELL does each run?
8 GB is adequate. Better in a Mac than in a PC, I admit.
So not equivalent...
...just as I implied.
:-)
That's not the fucking point, it sucks as a hardware investment. I >>>>> look down on PCs with low specs, too.
And yet you bought one...
Nope, I got my 16 GB RAM and 512 GB SSD. You're wrong about the CPU
being a major bottleneck.
Your N150 IS a major bottleneck.
And apparently you do when it comes to the CPU.
Oh, how so?
The A18 Pro in the MacBook Neo has benchmark scores as an Intel Core
i5-1245U...
...which is far, FAR faster than your actual low spec Intel N150.
:-)
But how much RAM and storage does it have?
You'll move the goalposts every time, won't you?
Will you acknowledge that the A18 Pro CPU in the MacBook Neo is FAR
faster than your Intel N150?
Yes or no.
Faster but it's funny how it doesn't really do more.Failure to answer the question asked.
You'll move the goalposts every time, won't you?
Will you acknowledge that the A18 Pro CPU in the MacBook Neo is FAR
faster than your Intel N150?
Yes or no.
Faster but it's funny how it doesn't really do more.
Failure to answer the question asked.
It is FAR faster, correct?
On 2026-03-07 15:40, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:28 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:
buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
blow* away
Congratulations:
You're smart enough to recognize a truly egregious spelling error.
On 3/7/2026 6:42 PM, Alan wrote:
You'll move the goalposts every time, won't you?
Will you acknowledge that the A18 Pro CPU in the MacBook Neo
is FAR faster than your Intel N150?
Yes or no.
Faster but it's funny how it doesn't really do more.
Failure to answer the question asked.
It is FAR faster, correct?
Is a Honda Civic faster than a 10-speed bicycle?
Obviously so, but
yet that kind of bike does get around on the streets.
Likewise, myBut it is far less capable at COMPUTING than a MacBook Neo.
humble CPU is indeed just fine to boot Win11. You know I have
literally run Debian on the same device. I'm going back to Windows, nevertheless.
On 2026-03-07 15:28, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:11 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 08:19, chrisv wrote:
RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something
right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the >>>>> MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the
512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18
CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new
laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at
one of
these.
Seems like a decent machine at a reasonable price, for those who don't >>>> require a lot of computing power.
It's a lot of computing power... ...for the money.
:-)
That's rubbish, buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
So that's a tacit (Do you know what "tacit" means?)
admission that in
order to get a machine that would "blue [sic] away" a MacBook Neo, you
can't just buy one.
Got it.
On 3/7/2026 6:41 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 15:40, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:28 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:
buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
blow* away
Congratulations:
You're smart enough to recognize a truly egregious spelling error.
It was not a "spelling error", it was a glitch where because "blow" hasBut you were composing a sentence that was using the PRESENT tense.
a past tense sounding like "blue", I typed "blue". It's related to why
I thought Norton putting headers even in others' posts was because they
had Norton, just careless maintaining. I'm good enough to pass as a professional.
my
humble CPU is indeed just fine to boot Win11. You know I have
literally run Debian on the same device. I'm going back to Windows,
nevertheless.
But it is far less capable at COMPUTING than a MacBook Neo.
That's just a fact.
Now put on your big boy pants and accept that.
On 2026-03-07 15:48, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:41 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 15:40, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:28 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:
buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
blow* away
Congratulations:
You're smart enough to recognize a truly egregious spelling error.
It was not a "spelling error", it was a glitch where because "blow"
has a past tense sounding like "blue", I typed "blue". It's related
to why I thought Norton putting headers even in others' posts was
because they had Norton, just careless maintaining. I'm good enough
to pass as a professional.
But you were composing a sentence that was using the PRESENT tense.
A "professional"... ...what exactly?
:-)
On 3/7/2026 6:40 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 15:28, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:11 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 08:19, chrisv wrote:
RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something
right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook,
the MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the
512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 >>>>>> CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new
laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at >>>>>> one of
these.
Seems like a decent machine at a reasonable price, for those who don't >>>>> require a lot of computing power.
It's a lot of computing power... ...for the money.
:-)
That's rubbish, buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
So that's a tacit (Do you know what "tacit" means?)
Even if I did not, could I not look up the word?
admission that in order to get a machine that would "blue [sic] away"
a MacBook Neo, you can't just buy one.
Got it.
It's expensive compared to buying comparable parts, to a degree that
makes it overpriced.
On 3/7/2026 6:49 PM, Alan wrote:
my
humble CPU is indeed just fine to boot Win11. You know I have
literally run Debian on the same device. I'm going back to Windows,
nevertheless.
But it is far less capable at COMPUTING than a MacBook Neo.
That's just a fact.
Now put on your big boy pants and accept that.
No, it's just slower.
On 3/7/2026 6:50 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 15:48, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:41 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 15:40, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:28 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:
buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
blow* away
Congratulations:
You're smart enough to recognize a truly egregious spelling error.
It was not a "spelling error", it was a glitch where because "blow"
has a past tense sounding like "blue", I typed "blue". It's related
to why I thought Norton putting headers even in others' posts was
because they had Norton, just careless maintaining. I'm good enough
to pass as a professional.
But you were composing a sentence that was using the PRESENT tense.
Yes, my brain has glitches, being unbelievably altered by substance use
over 33 years.
A "professional"... ...what exactly?
:-)
Politician with a strong suit in computers.
On 2026-03-07 15:50, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:40 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 15:28, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:11 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 08:19, chrisv wrote:
RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something
right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, >>>>>>> the MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the >>>>>>> 512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the
A18 CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new
laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look >>>>>>> at one of
these.
Seems like a decent machine at a reasonable price, for those who
don't
require a lot of computing power.
It's a lot of computing power... ...for the money.
:-)
That's rubbish, buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
So that's a tacit (Do you know what "tacit" means?)
Even if I did not, could I not look up the word?
admission that in order to get a machine that would "blue [sic] away"
a MacBook Neo, you can't just buy one.
Got it.
It's expensive compared to buying comparable parts, to a degree that
makes it overpriced.
LOL!
You've now completely capitulated!
Your only rebuttal is that you can buy components to make a computer of comparable power for less than the price of a MacBook Neo.
Well I'm calling "bullshit" on that.
To get equivalent single-core performance to the A18 Pro in the Neo,
you'd need an Intel Core i7-13700... ...which retails for something like $450 USD.
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-13700&id=4992>
So I guess you'd better be able to buy all the other parts you need for $150.
LOL!
A "professional"... ...what exactly?
:-)
Politician with a strong suit in computers.
No.... ...you really can't pass as a professional in the area of computers.
On 3/7/2026 7:07 PM, Alan wrote:
A "professional"... ...what exactly?
:-)
Politician with a strong suit in computers.
No.... ...you really can't pass as a professional in the area of
computers.
I use them in my professional work, they are well-used.
On 3/7/2026 7:04 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 15:50, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:40 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 15:28, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 6:11 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-07 08:19, chrisv wrote:
RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something >>>>>>>> right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, >>>>>>>> the MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the >>>>>>>> 512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the >>>>>>>> A18 CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new >>>>>>>> laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look >>>>>>>> at one of
these.
Seems like a decent machine at a reasonable price, for those who >>>>>>> don't
require a lot of computing power.
It's a lot of computing power... ...for the money.
:-)
That's rubbish, buying as parts would blue away that piece of junk.
So that's a tacit (Do you know what "tacit" means?)
Even if I did not, could I not look up the word?
admission that in order to get a machine that would "blue [sic]
away" a MacBook Neo, you can't just buy one.
Got it.
It's expensive compared to buying comparable parts, to a degree that
makes it overpriced.
LOL!
You've now completely capitulated!
Your only rebuttal is that you can buy components to make a computer
of comparable power for less than the price of a MacBook Neo.
Well I'm calling "bullshit" on that.
To get equivalent single-core performance to the A18 Pro in the Neo,
you'd need an Intel Core i7-13700... ...which retails for something
like $450 USD.
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-13700&id=4992>
So I guess you'd better be able to buy all the other parts you need
for $150.
LOL!
Your example of a supposedly comparable Intel CPU is conveniently expensive. I say that's the flaw in your argument.
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. They came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the MacBook Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 GB SSD. Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops
in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows world.
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right.
They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the
MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512
GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8 >>> GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and >>> wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of >>> these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months >>> ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their
sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
On 2026-03-07 06:45, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/7/2026 1:38 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something
right. They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the >>>>> MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 >>>>> GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18
CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop >>>>> (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at
one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few
months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their
sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
Alan the mind reader, again. Bullshit. I know macOS and Windows 11 can >> run in 8 GB.
Again: capability is not capacity.
How WELL does each run?
That's not the fucking point, it sucks as a hardware
investment. I look down on PCs with low specs, too.
And yet you bought one...
And apparently youOh, how so?
do when it comes to the CPU.
The A18 Pro in the MacBook Neo has benchmark scores as an Intel Core i5-1245U...
...which is far, FAR faster than your actual low spec Intel N150.
:-)
Alan wrote:
rbowman wrote:
Don't be so sure of that.
I really don't expect much. Windows users will stick to the inexpensive
x64 laptops that have acceptable performance in that price range.
I'd bet very large without even checking benchmarks that the MacBook Neo >>will trounce x64 laptops of similar price; both on actual computing >>performance AND battery life.
At my company, there's a rumor that we are going to switch to Mac's
for our office PC's (laptops). I would guess Macbook Pro's.
I don't know what to think about that. Almost all of the computers
that we use for testing product (which I use and support) are running Windows.
RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. They >>came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the MacBook >>Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 GB SSD. >>Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8 >>GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and >>wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of >>these.
Seems like a decent machine at a reasonable price, for those who don't require a lot of computing power.
On 2026-03-06 6:20 a.m., RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. They >> came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the MacBook >> Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 GB SSD. >> Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP.
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops
in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows world.
chrisv wrote:
At my company, there's a rumor that we are going to switch to Mac's for
our office PC's (laptops). I would guess Macbook Pro's.
I don't know what to think about that. Almost all of the computers that
we use for testing product (which I use and support) are running
Windows.
At one point the company though it was a good idea to bring in one of
those traveling road shows to teach us about pair programming, mandatory >attendance. At least there were snacks.
It got off to a great start. The presenter opened his Mac and started his >spiel only to find a lot of confused faces. His chosen victim for the
'pair' had never used a Mac. I don't think we even had the Mac Mini for >cross platform compiling at that point. It was all Windows or Linux. I
don't think too many people even had Macs at home.
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops
in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the >> Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows
world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11 computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot crap.
On 2026-03-06, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 11:20:58 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months >>> ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
Not too well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
They're trying but it's been a struggle.
That's what I've heard. But, by the time MacBook Neos are sold as second hand, it might be different. Who knows. (Even if Linux is supported on the Neo, the keyboard will still be wonky, from my point of view.)
I wonder how deeply the Neo will cut into Microsoft 11 sales?
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 02:32:42 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-06, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 11:20:58 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few
months ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
Not too well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
They're trying but it's been a struggle.
That's what I've heard. But, by the time MacBook Neos are sold as second
hand, it might be different. Who knows. (Even if Linux is supported on
the Neo, the keyboard will still be wonky, from my point of view.)
I wonder how deeply the Neo will cut into Microsoft 11 sales?
I really don't expect much. Windows users will stick to the inexpensive
x64 laptops that have acceptable performance in that price range.
On 2026-03-07, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right.
They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the
MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512
GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8 >>>> GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and >>>> wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of >>>> these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months >>>> ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their
sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
I've heard that 8 GB is enough, but it probably depends on what you need the computer to do. For what use a computer for, I'm pretty sure it would work fine for me, but I have no desire to use the Mac OS.
On 2026-03-08, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-06 6:20 a.m., RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. They >>> came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the MacBook >>> Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8 >>> GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and >>> wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of >>> these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months >>> ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP.
That was kind of the way I looked at it. The plastic HP is also hampered by Windows 11 and its AI crap.
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops
in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the >> Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows
world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo
will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to
be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot crap.
On 2026-03-08, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops >>> in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the >>> Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows
world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo
will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best >> Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to >> be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X >> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't
anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot >> crap.
My guess is that Apple is trying to expand their user base with reasonably priced
machines.
Get them hooked and they will be customers for life.
I, personally, like low spec machines. Less heat and uses less power.
And I'm guessing the
A18 is at, or near, the bottom for Apple's CPUs (just a guess)
On 2026-03-08 5:18 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-07, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. >>>>> They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the
MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 >>>>> GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18
CPU, 8
GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new
laptop (and
wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at
one of
these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few
months
ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their
sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
I've heard that 8 GB is enough, but it probably depends on what you
need the
computer to do. For what use a computer for, I'm pretty sure it would
work
fine for me, but I have no desire to use the Mac OS.
8GB is enough for MacOS _now_. When the M1s first released, the
operating system made way too much use of the internal storage for
swapping, resulting in it wearing out too quickly. The result, as we
know, is the premature death of M1 hardware where such storage cannot be replaced.
On 2026-03-08 5:18 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-07, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-06 03:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/6/2026 6:20 AM, RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. >>>>> They
came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the
MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 >>>>> GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8 >>>>> GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and >>>>> wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of >>>>> these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months >>>>> ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
The fact that both have 8 GB RAM bothers me. And yet it fits their
sizes relative to other Apple laptops.
The only thing that "bothers" you is that they're from Apple...
...since you have no idea whether 8GB is sufficient RAM for macOS.
I've heard that 8 GB is enough, but it probably depends on what you need the >> computer to do. For what use a computer for, I'm pretty sure it would work >> fine for me, but I have no desire to use the Mac OS.
8GB is enough for MacOS _now_. When the M1s first released, the
operating system made way too much use of the internal storage for
swapping, resulting in it wearing out too quickly. The result, as we
know, is the premature death of M1 hardware where such storage cannot be replaced.
RonB wrote:
I, personally, like low spec machines. Less heat and uses less power.
I've always found my best value in the middle. Intel I5's.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 09:33:50 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
And I'm guessing the
A18 is at, or near, the bottom for Apple's CPUs (just a guess)
It's the iPhone 16 chip.
On 2026-03-08 5:36 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-08, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-06 6:20 a.m., RonB wrote:
You won't hear me say this often, but Apple has done something right. They >>>> came out with a low or mid-range (semi-affordable) new MacBook, the MacBook
Neo.
Two versions, four colors. $600 for the 256 GB SSD, $700 for the 512 GB SSD.
Otherwise both are the same. A 13" screen, aluminum frame, the A18 CPU, 8 >>>> GBs of RAM. Two USB-C ports. If I was in the market for a new laptop (and >>>> wasn't already "married" to Linux) I would probably take a look at one of >>>> these.
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months >>>> ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP.
That was kind of the way I looked at it. The plastic HP is also hampered by >> Windows 11 and its AI crap.
And it doesn't synchronize with AirPods and an iPhone as easily and impressively as Apple hardware does. Like I said in a previous post,
there are way too many AirPod and iPhone users for them not to consider
this machine first when they inevitably have to upgrade from the laptop whose hinges broke, whose keyboard no longer responds or which became
slow with time.
On 2026-03-08, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops >>> in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the >>> Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows >>> world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo
will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best
Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to >> be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X >> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't
anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot >> crap.
My guess is that Apple is trying to expand their user base with reasonably priced
machines.
Get them hooked and they will be customers for life.
On 2026-03-08 9:11 a.m., pothead wrote:
On 2026-03-08, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to >>>>> see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than >>>>> $1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and >>>>> that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops >>>> in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the >>>> Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows >>>> world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo >>> will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best
Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to >>> be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X >>> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't >>> anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot >>> crap.
My guess is that Apple is trying to expand their user base with reasonably priced
machines.
Get them hooked and they will be customers for life.
And the chance that those $600 Apple machines fail is lower than that of similar-priced PC ones.
On 2026-03-08 5:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to
see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than
$1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and
that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops >>> in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the >>> Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows
world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo
will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best >> Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to >> be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
The Snapdragon CPUs are superior to the A18. Nevertheless, Windows
itself and its third-party applications don't properly support ARM processors yet. Meanwhile, Apple has already transitioned very
successfully.
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X >> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't
anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot >> crap.
The fact that it has the same resolution as the Neo and happens to be touchscreen might save it. In the end, the true winners are the customers.
rbowman wrote:
chrisv wrote:
At my company, there's a rumor that we are going to switch to Mac's for
our office PC's (laptops). I would guess Macbook Pro's.
I don't know what to think about that. Almost all of the computers that >>> we use for testing product (which I use and support) are running
Windows.
At one point the company though it was a good idea to bring in one of >>those traveling road shows to teach us about pair programming, mandatory >>attendance. At least there were snacks.
It got off to a great start. The presenter opened his Mac and started his >>spiel only to find a lot of confused faces. His chosen victim for the >>'pair' had never used a Mac. I don't think we even had the Mac Mini for >>cross platform compiling at that point. It was all Windows or Linux. I >>don't think too many people even had Macs at home.
Linux and Windows is enough, for me. I'd rather not have to learn a
"third way" of doing things...
On 2026-03-06 9:32 p.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-06, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 11:20:58 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
I guess this is the low end MacBook they were talking about a few months >>>> ago. I bet they sell a lot of these.
I wonder how Linux would run on one of these?
Not too well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
They're trying but it's been a struggle.
That's what I've heard. But, by the time MacBook Neos are sold as second
hand, it might be different. Who knows. (Even if Linux is supported on the >> Neo, the keyboard will still be wonky, from my point of view.)
I wonder how deeply the Neo will cut into Microsoft 11 sales?
I was in Orlando and barely looking at the news when the Neo was
revealed. I had actually talked about this potential machine to my wife months beforehand and might have even mentioned it on this newsgroup as
a brilliant idea. Clearly, I think that this is exactly the kind of
machine Apple needs to sell if it wants to take over the desktop from Microsoft. Considering the amount of people I saw walking around with AirPods at the airport, at Disney World, at SeaWorld and in the city
proper, it's clear that there are lots of people already supporting
Apple. Those people likely have an iPhone too and would love the idea of
a machine which easily connects those two at a respectable cost all the while looking a lot cooler than the typical black laptop. At the price
it's selling at, especially considering the high costs of a decent GPU, storage and RAM nowadays impacting the cost of most PCs, I can assure
you that it will sell like hotcakes, much like the original iMacs did.
CrudeSausage wrote:
RonB wrote:
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X >>> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't >>> anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot >>> crap.
The fact that it has the same resolution as the Neo and happens to be
touchscreen might save it. In the end, the true winners are the customers.
It looks like Dell and HP are heavily discounting these computers right now. >Maybe the CoPilot + designation turned out to *not* be a selling point.
chrisv wrote:
Linux and Windows is enough, for me. I'd rather not have to learn a
"third way" of doing things...
Linux is enough for me.
On 2026-03-08, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-08 5:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to >>>>> see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than >>>>> $1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and >>>>> that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops >>>> in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the >>>> Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows >>>> world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo >>> will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best
Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to >>> be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
The Snapdragon CPUs are superior to the A18. Nevertheless, Windows
itself and its third-party applications don't properly support ARM
processors yet. Meanwhile, Apple has already transitioned very
successfully.
I see. BTW, I looked a little closer on this particular laptop and it is definitely a plastic case.
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X >>> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't >>> anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot >>> crap.
The fact that it has the same resolution as the Neo and happens to be
touchscreen might save it. In the end, the true winners are the customers.
It looks like Dell and HP are heavily discounting these computers right now. Maybe the CoPilot + designation turned out to *not* be a selling point. But this particular computer was first released in 2024, so it's probably their way of clearing out the older model. (Although I don't doubt the Apple MacBook Neo has something to do with it also. The $600 price tag doesn't
seem to be a coincidence.)
RonB wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
RonB wrote:It looks like Dell and HP are heavily discounting these computers right now. >>Maybe the CoPilot + designation turned out to *not* be a selling point.
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X >>>> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't >>>> anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot >>>> crap.
The fact that it has the same resolution as the Neo and happens to be
touchscreen might save it. In the end, the true winners are the customers. >>
Well, who doesn't want a built-in spyware co-processor on their
personal computer?
Of course, the Apple products have that now, too, although I've not
heard of them pushing the AI nonsense as hard as M$ has...
RonB wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Linux and Windows is enough, for me. I'd rather not have to learn a
"third way" of doing things...
Linux is enough for me.
Even at your job? Windows is pretty dang hard to avoid, in life.
On 2026-03-09 1:41 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-08, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-08 5:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to >>>>>> see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than >>>>>> $1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and >>>>>> that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops >>>>> in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the
Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows >>>>> world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo >>>> will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best
Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to >>>> be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
The Snapdragon CPUs are superior to the A18. Nevertheless, Windows
itself and its third-party applications don't properly support ARM
processors yet. Meanwhile, Apple has already transitioned very
successfully.
I see. BTW, I looked a little closer on this particular laptop and it is
definitely a plastic case.
I think that most of us are tired of plastic and how it cracks, chips
and breaks around the hinges. The mere fact that the Neos use aluminum
will be a selling point for many.
It looks like Dell and HP are heavily discounting these computers right now. >> Maybe the CoPilot + designation turned out to *not* be a selling point. But >> this particular computer was first released in 2024, so it's probably their >> way of clearing out the older model. (Although I don't doubt the AppleHere are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X >>>> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't >>>> anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot >>>> crap.
The fact that it has the same resolution as the Neo and happens to be
touchscreen might save it. In the end, the true winners are the customers. >>
MacBook Neo has something to do with it also. The $600 price tag doesn't
seem to be a coincidence.)
One way or another, the PC manufacturers will have to respond to the Neo
and it will involve the Snapdragon processors in some way. However, Microsoft and its third-parties will have to hurry to port their
software over to ARM for it to succeed. If they don't, they'll be
handing the upper-range and low-range of computers over to Apple. Only gamers will stick to Windows.
RonB wrote:
chrisv wrote:
Linux and Windows is enough, for me. I'd rather not have to learn a
"third way" of doing things...
Linux is enough for me.
Even at your job? Windows is pretty dang hard to avoid, in life.
Yeah, the people who like AI are kind of complaining that Mac's AI is
sort of anemic. Which makes Macs *better* than Windows 11, in my
opinion.
I think that most of us are tired of plastic and how it cracks, chips
and breaks around the hinges. The mere fact that the Neos use aluminum
will be a selling point for many.
RonB wrote:
Yeah, the people who like AI are kind of complaining that Mac's AI is
sort of anemic. Which makes Macs *better* than Windows 11, in my
opinion.
Oh, it works well enough in its real application.
https://apple.gadgethacks.com/news/apple-ai-search-boosts-app-store-downloads-by-millions/
On 2026-03-08, pothead <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-08, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to >>>>> see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than >>>>> $1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and >>>>> that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops >>>> in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the
Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows >>>> world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo >>> will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best
Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to >>> be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X >>> Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't >>> anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot >>> crap.
My guess is that Apple is trying to expand their user base with reasonably priced
machines.
Get them hooked and they will be customers for life.
I think they also realize that the economy kind of sucks now, so they need to skew a little lower to keep their products moving. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a "Neon 2" that sells for about $200 more in a couple years. (Providing the economy hasn't totally crashed.)
On 2026-03-09, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-09 1:41 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-08, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-08 5:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to >>>>>>> see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than >>>>>>> $1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and >>>>>>> that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP
There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops >>>>>> in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the
Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows >>>>>> world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11
computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo >>>>> will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best
Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to
be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
The Snapdragon CPUs are superior to the A18. Nevertheless, Windows
itself and its third-party applications don't properly support ARM
processors yet. Meanwhile, Apple has already transitioned very
successfully.
I see. BTW, I looked a little closer on this particular laptop and it is >>> definitely a plastic case.
I think that most of us are tired of plastic and how it cracks, chips
and breaks around the hinges. The mere fact that the Neos use aluminum
will be a selling point for many.
The only thing I don't like about my old MacBook Air's case is that it's slick as hell. (Never dropped it yet, but I've come close.) I can see why these things have dented up corners. Although the newer MacBooks don't have super thin corners anymore, so they probably took that into account.
It looks like Dell and HP are heavily discounting these computers right now.Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X
Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno
Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't >>>>> anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot
crap.
The fact that it has the same resolution as the Neo and happens to be
touchscreen might save it. In the end, the true winners are the customers. >>>
Maybe the CoPilot + designation turned out to *not* be a selling point. But >>> this particular computer was first released in 2024, so it's probably their >>> way of clearing out the older model. (Although I don't doubt the Apple
MacBook Neo has something to do with it also. The $600 price tag doesn't >>> seem to be a coincidence.)
One way or another, the PC manufacturers will have to respond to the Neo
and it will involve the Snapdragon processors in some way. However,
Microsoft and its third-parties will have to hurry to port their
software over to ARM for it to succeed. If they don't, they'll be
handing the upper-range and low-range of computers over to Apple. Only
gamers will stick to Windows.
I think obnoxious AI everywhere is also hurting Microsoft. If there is only going to be two commercial OSes, I would prefer that Microsoft and Apple
each had somewhere near half of the market, so neither one of them would be a monopoly and they would have to compete. Maybe give customers what they
want. This MacBook Neo seems to be that kind of move from Apple. I'll sit back and wait to see what happens.
On Mon, 9 Mar 2026 10:23:07 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
I think that most of us are tired of plastic and how it cracks, chips
and breaks around the hinges. The mere fact that the Neos use aluminum
will be a selling point for many.
My Acer Swift 3, which was $600 and change when I bought it, has an
aluminum chassis. You buy HP shit, you get HP shit.
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the
form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the
form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
On 2026-03-09 4:32 p.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-09, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-09 1:41 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-08, CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-08 5:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-03-08, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 21:55:16 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
They've had rumours about this device for a while, and I was happy to >>>>>>>> see that the rumours were true. Anyone not willing to spend more than >>>>>>>> $1k on a laptop is going to love that these units are available, and >>>>>>>> that they won't be forced to buy a plastic piece of crap from HP >>>>>>>There's more to life than HP. Dell, Lenovo, and Acer have decent laptops
in the $600 range. I think they'll be attractive to someone already in the
Apple ecosystem but, love it or hate it, it's a heavy lift from Windows >>>>>>> world.
A quick look at Best Buy seems to show big discounts on Windows 11 >>>>>> computers. It looks like Microsoft is a bit worried that the MacBook Neo >>>>>> will catch on.
I don't know how the Snapdragon CPU compares to the A18 on MacBooks but Best
Buy has a Dell Inspiron "CoPilot +" computer on sale for $600 (supposed to
be a $400 discount). (Looks like it might be a 2024 model.)
The Snapdragon CPUs are superior to the A18. Nevertheless, Windows
itself and its third-party applications don't properly support ARM
processors yet. Meanwhile, Apple has already transitioned very
successfully.
I see. BTW, I looked a little closer on this particular laptop and it is >>>> definitely a plastic case.
I think that most of us are tired of plastic and how it cracks, chips
and breaks around the hinges. The mere fact that the Neos use aluminum
will be a selling point for many.
The only thing I don't like about my old MacBook Air's case is that it's
slick as hell. (Never dropped it yet, but I've come close.) I can see why
these things have dented up corners. Although the newer MacBooks don't have >> super thin corners anymore, so they probably took that into account.
I never felt that way about the MacBook Air M1 I had. Then again, I
always had it in a sleeve and later put a shell atop it to protect
against such things anyway.
Here are the specs... 14" Touchscreen (2500x1600 resolution), Snapdragon X
Plus (X1P64 2024) CPU (10 cores), 16 GBs of RAM and Qualcomm Adreno >>>>>> Graphics. I'm guessing the body is plastic, but I don't know. They don't >>>>>> anything about it being metal, but they make it look that way.
Still, it's running Windows 11 and makes a point of supporting the CoPilot
crap.
The fact that it has the same resolution as the Neo and happens to be >>>>> touchscreen might save it. In the end, the true winners are the customers.
It looks like Dell and HP are heavily discounting these computers right now.
Maybe the CoPilot + designation turned out to *not* be a selling point. But
this particular computer was first released in 2024, so it's probably their
way of clearing out the older model. (Although I don't doubt the Apple >>>> MacBook Neo has something to do with it also. The $600 price tag doesn't >>>> seem to be a coincidence.)
One way or another, the PC manufacturers will have to respond to the Neo >>> and it will involve the Snapdragon processors in some way. However,
Microsoft and its third-parties will have to hurry to port their
software over to ARM for it to succeed. If they don't, they'll be
handing the upper-range and low-range of computers over to Apple. Only
gamers will stick to Windows.
I think obnoxious AI everywhere is also hurting Microsoft. If there is only >> going to be two commercial OSes, I would prefer that Microsoft and Apple
each had somewhere near half of the market, so neither one of them would be a
monopoly and they would have to compete. Maybe give customers what they
want. This MacBook Neo seems to be that kind of move from Apple. I'll sit
back and wait to see what happens.
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the
form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore. Hell, soon there won't be a way
to even use an open-source operating system anymore since they're
forcing "age verification" legislation everywhere which will merely be
used to eradicate every form of privacy left.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the
form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
Except that with Apple there is a single setting to turn it all off.
Unlike Windows. It is not forced on you. Again, unlike Windows.
So one CAN escape from it on Macs/iPads/iPhones.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the
form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
Except that with Apple there is a single setting to turn it all off.
Unlike Windows. It is not forced on you. Again, unlike Windows.
So one CAN escape from it on Macs/iPads/iPhones.
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the
form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers
have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers
have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you
get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past
an obstacle.
<snip interesting stuff>
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the
form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming
questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers
have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by
Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers
have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you
get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past
an obstacle.
<snip interesting stuff>
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the >>>> form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming
questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers
have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by
Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers
have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you
get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past
an obstacle.
<snip interesting stuff>
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual?
On 2026-03-10 14:04, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the >>>> form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming
questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers >>> have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by >>> Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers
have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you >>> get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past >>> an obstacle.
<snip interesting stuff>
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual?
Why would you care?
On 2026-03-10 14:04, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the >>>>> form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming
questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers >>>> have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by >>>> Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers
have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you >>>> get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past >>>> an obstacle.
<snip interesting stuff>
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual?
Why would you care?
On 2026-03-10, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-10 14:04, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the >>>>>> form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now. >>>>>> There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming >>>>> questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers >>>>> have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by >>>>> Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers >>>>> have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you >>>>> get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past >>>>> an obstacle.
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual?
Why would you care?
Classic leftist, democrat response.
Another false equivalency.
Just because a person brings up point in a discussion doesn't mean that person
cares or doesn't care.
The leftist democrats love to project.
On 3/10/2026 8:25 PM, pothead wrote:
On 2026-03-10, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-10 14:04, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:Why would you care?
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the >>>>>>> form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now. >>>>>>> There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming >>>>>> questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers >>>>>> have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by >>>>>> Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers >>>>>> have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you >>>>>> get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past >>>>>> an obstacle.
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual? >>>
Classic leftist, democrat response.
Another false equivalency.
Just because a person brings up point in a discussion doesn't mean that person
cares or doesn't care.
The leftist democrats love to project.
If it is even possible to judge homosexual/transgender orientations and identities, LGBTQ, the person is an asshole.
On 2026-03-10, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:So do you think he DOESN'T care?
On 2026-03-10 14:04, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the >>>>>> form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now. >>>>>> There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming >>>>> questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers >>>>> have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by >>>>> Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers >>>>> have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you >>>>> get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past >>>>> an obstacle.
<snip interesting stuff>
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual? >>>
Why would you care?
Classic leftist, democrat response.
Another false equivalency.
Just because a person brings up point in a discussion doesn't mean that person
cares or doesn't care.
The leftist democrats love to project.
On 2026-03-11, Joel W. Crump <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/10/2026 8:25 PM, pothead wrote:But that's just the point.
On 2026-03-10, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-10 14:04, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:Why would you care?
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the >>>>>>>> form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now. >>>>>>>> There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming >>>>>>> questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers >>>>>>> have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by >>>>>>> Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers >>>>>>> have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you >>>>>>> get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past >>>>>>> an obstacle.
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual? >>>>
Classic leftist, democrat response.
Another false equivalency.
Just because a person brings up point in a discussion doesn't mean that person
cares or doesn't care.
The leftist democrats love to project.
If it is even possible to judge homosexual/transgender orientations and
identities, LGBTQ, the person is an asshole.
Prior to all of this girls can be boys and boys can be girls, bathroom
stuff and so forth, nobody really cared one way or the other how people lived their own lives.
The radicals brought all of this to page one and that is what pissed people off
and that includes the lesbians and gay males who are not fond of the attention.
On 2026-03-11, Joel W. Crump <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/10/2026 8:25 PM, pothead wrote:But that's just the point.
On 2026-03-10, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-10 14:04, CrudeSausage wrote:
Why would you care?
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual? >>>>
Classic leftist, democrat response.
Another false equivalency.
Just because a person brings up point in a discussion doesn't mean that person
cares or doesn't care.
The leftist democrats love to project.
If it is even possible to judge homosexual/transgender orientations and
identities, LGBTQ, the person is an asshole.
Prior to all of this girls can be boys and boys can be girls, bathroom
stuff and so forth, nobody really cared one way or the other how people lived their own lives.
The radicals brought all of this to page one and that is what pissed people off
and that includes the lesbians and gay males who are not fond of the attention.
So the real problem for many people is not that some want to live alternate lifestyles but more of being annoyed at the radicals pushing the "this is normal"
and you are a homophobe because you refuse to accept it.
Couple that with the twisted, money hungry medical "professionals" who simply look at how much $$$$ they can make and we have a disaster here.
Trans women in female bathrooms isn't the problem. It's more intimate settings like a locker room or shower. Specific individuals among trans women are a material problem, I conceded on Twitter/X.
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual?
On 3/10/2026 5:04 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual?
query: is it ok to be homosexual
Google AI Overview -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, it is perfectly okay to be gay. blah blah blah --------------------------------------------------------------------------
But when I ran that query, the first link after the AI overview was to
this scientific paper, which dismisses the resources used by the
American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological
Association to support the idea that homosexuality is "natural".
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4771012/
When I ran the query again that link moved down a little. Either way,
it's nice Google presented some reality.
My take: it's a mental disorder which ~5% of the human population is afflicted with.
My sister-in-law is a lesbo, but she's a smart, nice, good person and I
love her unreservedly.
On 2026-03-10 14:04, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the >>>>> form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now.
There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming
questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers >>>> have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet
programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by >>>> Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers
have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you >>>> get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past >>>> an obstacle.
<snip interesting stuff>
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual?
Why would you care?
<snip>
query: is it ok to be homosexual
Google AI Overview -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, it is perfectly okay to be gay. blah blah blah --------------------------------------------------------------------------
But when I ran that query, the first link after the AI overview was to
this scientific paper, which dismisses the resources used by the
American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological
Association to support the idea that homosexuality is "natural".
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4771012/
When I ran the query again that link moved down a little. Either way,
it's nice Google presented some reality.
My take: it's a mental disorder which ~5% of the human population is afflicted with.
My sister-in-law is a lesbo, but she's a smart, nice, good person and I
love her unreservedly.
On 2026-03-10 17:39, pothead wrote:
On 2026-03-11, Joel W. Crump <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/10/2026 8:25 PM, pothead wrote:But that's just the point.
On 2026-03-10, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-10 14:04, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-03-10 1:37 p.m., Chris Ahlstrom wrote:Why would you care?
DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 3/9/2026 9:21 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Nevertheless, you shouldn't ignore that Apple is pushing AI too in the
form of "Apple Intelligence." Heck, even Mozilla is pushing it now. >>>>>>>>> There's no escaping this crap anymore.
The Google AI Overview has gotten damn good at answering programming >>>>>>>> questions. Which makes sense, as millions and millions of developers >>>>>>>> have asked and answered the same questions for decades.
A lot of good coding info is stored on Stack Overflow or Usenet >>>>>>>> programming groups; not sure if that info is collected for AI usage by >>>>>>>> Google and MS, etc.
The Google question parsing is really good now, and the best answers >>>>>>>> have been captured (with large-language models I suppose), and what you
get back is usually amazingly on-target and sufficient to get you past >>>>>>>> an obstacle.
I find Google's AI useful, but sometimes it answers the wrong
question.
Why does Google insist on telling you that it's okay to be a homosexual? >>>>>
Classic leftist, democrat response.
Another false equivalency.
Just because a person brings up point in a discussion doesn't mean that person
cares or doesn't care.
The leftist democrats love to project.
If it is even possible to judge homosexual/transgender orientations and
identities, LGBTQ, the person is an asshole.
Prior to all of this girls can be boys and boys can be girls, bathroom
stuff and so forth, nobody really cared one way or the other how people lived
their own lives.
On the contrary.
So many cared so much that people had to hide how they felt.
The radicals brought all of this to page one and that is what pissed people off
and that includes the lesbians and gay males who are not fond of the attention.
But they like that it's now no longer socially acceptable to judge THEM
for their sexual orientation...
...right?
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