• Raspberry Pi 400 (Keyboard Computer)

    From RonB@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri Apr 17 03:27:41 2026
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    My nephew was in MicroCenter and saw the Raspberry Pi 400 on sale
    (clearance?) for $40, so he picked one up for himself and sent one to me.
    I'm having fun with it.

    It runs on a Broadcom (ARM) quad core CPU (BCM2711, ARM Cortex A72). It has
    4 GBs of RAM, WiFi, BlueTooth, two mini HDMI ports, an SD port, a GB
    Ethernet port, two USB 3.x ports and one USB 2.x port. It's powered through
    a USB-C port (5 volts, 3 AMPs minimum). It also has that Raspberry Pi pinout whatever for all kinds of add-ons, which I know nothing about. So I have an ARM Linux machine now.

    It runs on either Debian Bookworm (32 bit) or Debian Trixie (64-bit), plus a whole bunch of others. For some reason the original microSD came with the 32-bit version of Raspberry Pi OS. Which, to me, is interesting for one reason. The 64-bit Trelby Arm AppImage worked on the 32-bit OS. The creator
    of that AppImage told me the this happened because the CPU is 64-bit, and
    the AppImage was so self-contained that it didn't look for any libraries
    (not even the "linking libraries" — whatever they are). He told me that I was probably the first one who tried this. So being clueless and doing
    stupid things has it benefits. :)

    This is not a powerful machine and microSD card media is s-l-o-w. So, I followed the instructions to set the machine up to use a 64-bit
    version of the Raspberry Pi OS on a USB 3.x drive (SanDisk Ultra Fit, about the size of a mouse dongle) and am using that for my "hard drive." Much faster. No one will mistake the 400 for an i7 Linux computer, but it streams TubiTV and YouTube well (YouTube at 720p) and works pretty well overall. It uses LXDE as its desktop environment and OpenBox as its Window Manager (so light weight). It came defaulted to Wayland, but its configuration
    application "raspi-config" easily allowed me to move to X11, which seems to
    be a bit smoother on this computer.

    I've installed Trelby, the ARM version of Simplenote, DOSBox-X with dBase, Wordstar and ScriptThing — all work fine. Jstar is there, all the Firefox customizations work. So it's a usable, Linux ARM computer. No fan, but a
    huge heat sink and runs at about 40 degrees Celsius. It also came with PDF versions of the Raspberry Pi book (274 pages) and PDF versions of 134 MagPi magazines (issue 31 through 164, which is the current (April) magazine.
    These magazines take me back to the old computer magazines. 120 pages of articles (some ads) with programs and programming tips in the newest
    magazine, and lots about kits and stuff that's way above my pay grade. It's almost nostalgic, takes me back to when I was young.

    And the surprising thing. This computer was made in England, not China. At
    any rate, this has been taking up my time. It's like going back to earlier days of computing. If you live near a MicroCenter you might want to look
    into one of these.

    I meant to mention, this 400 is using the 6.12 Linux kernel (probably what Debian Trixie is using).
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  • From rbowman@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri Apr 17 04:36:02 2026
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    On Fri, 17 Apr 2026 03:27:41 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I meant to mention, this 400 is using the 6.12 Linux kernel (probably
    what Debian Trixie is using).

    Mt Pi 5 has the Trixie Raspberry Pi Os and is 6.12. One thing to watch if
    you update the OS -- currently sudo doesn't ask for a password but future releases will. That could impact scripts that depend on sudo working
    silently.

    The Pi 5 is getting hammered by the RAM and component price increases. So
    far the Orange Pi has been holding down the prices. It won't be pretty but
    I won't shed tears if this AI bubble pops sometime soon.
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  • From RonB@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat Apr 18 09:36:34 2026
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    On 2026-04-17, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Fri, 17 Apr 2026 03:27:41 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I meant to mention, this 400 is using the 6.12 Linux kernel (probably
    what Debian Trixie is using).

    Mt Pi 5 has the Trixie Raspberry Pi Os and is 6.12. One thing to watch if you update the OS -- currently sudo doesn't ask for a password but future releases will. That could impact scripts that depend on sudo working silently.

    Looks like my upgrade already does that. Not that it will affect me much.

    The Pi 5 is getting hammered by the RAM and component price increases. So far the Orange Pi has been holding down the prices. It won't be pretty but
    I won't shed tears if this AI bubble pops sometime soon.

    I thought Orange Pi was a division of Raspberry Pi (until I looked).
    Obviously it's not. It looks like there are a couple other board makers as well. If I was younger and had half a brain, I would probably like building out some of the projects.
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  • From rbowman@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat Apr 18 18:59:46 2026
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    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 09:36:34 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I thought Orange Pi was a division of Raspberry Pi (until I looked). Obviously it's not. It looks like there are a couple other board makers
    as well. If I was younger and had half a brain, I would probably like building out some of the projects.

    The Arduino Q is interesting but I haven't played with it. The
    architecture is a little different, like a Pi with a Pico glued to the
    bottom. Even Beagle has some interesting boards.

    https://www.beagleboard.org/boards

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  • From Daniel@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 23:51:49 2026
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    RonB <[email protected]> writes:

    My nephew was in MicroCenter and saw the Raspberry Pi 400 on sale (clearance?) for $40, so he picked one up for himself and sent one to me. I'm having fun with it.

    It runs on a Broadcom (ARM) quad core CPU (BCM2711, ARM Cortex A72). It has 4 GBs of RAM, WiFi, BlueTooth, two mini HDMI ports, an SD port, a GB Ethernet port, two USB 3.x ports and one USB 2.x port. It's powered through a USB-C port (5 volts, 3 AMPs minimum). It also has that Raspberry Pi pinout whatever for all kinds of add-ons, which I know nothing about. So I have an ARM Linux machine now.

    It runs on either Debian Bookworm (32 bit) or Debian Trixie (64-bit), plus a whole bunch of others. For some reason the original microSD came with the 32-bit version of Raspberry Pi OS. Which, to me, is interesting for one reason. The 64-bit Trelby Arm AppImage worked on the 32-bit OS. The creator of that AppImage told me the this happened because the CPU is 64-bit, and the AppImage was so self-contained that it didn't look for any libraries (not even the "linking libraries" — whatever they are). He told me that I was probably the first one who tried this. So being clueless and doing stupid things has it benefits. :)

    This is not a powerful machine and microSD card media is s-l-o-w. So, I followed the instructions to set the machine up to use a 64-bit
    version of the Raspberry Pi OS on a USB 3.x drive (SanDisk Ultra Fit, about the size of a mouse dongle) and am using that for my "hard drive." Much faster. No one will mistake the 400 for an i7 Linux computer, but it streams TubiTV and YouTube well (YouTube at 720p) and works pretty well overall. It uses LXDE as its desktop environment and OpenBox as its Window Manager (so light weight). It came defaulted to Wayland, but its configuration application "raspi-config" easily allowed me to move to X11, which seems to be a bit smoother on this computer.

    I've installed Trelby, the ARM version of Simplenote, DOSBox-X with dBase, Wordstar and ScriptThing — all work fine. Jstar is there, all the Firefox customizations work. So it's a usable, Linux ARM computer. No fan, but a huge heat sink and runs at about 40 degrees Celsius. It also came with PDF versions of the Raspberry Pi book (274 pages) and PDF versions of 134 MagPi magazines (issue 31 through 164, which is the current (April) magazine. These magazines take me back to the old computer magazines. 120 pages of articles (some ads) with programs and programming tips in the newest magazine, and lots about kits and stuff that's way above my pay grade. It's almost nostalgic, takes me back to when I was young.

    And the surprising thing. This computer was made in England, not China. At any rate, this has been taking up my time. It's like going back to earlier days of computing. If you live near a MicroCenter you might want to look into one of these.

    I meant to mention, this 400 is using the 6.12 Linux kernel (probably what Debian Trixie is using).

    When the pi500 came out I unceremoniously ripped the mobo out of the 400
    and took the keyboard shell for a round of destruction. I never ever
    used a keyboard as worthless.

    The 500s keyboard is better, but the spacebar still requires the
    thumb hit the exact center before registering a keystroke.

    At least it is functional.

    I would've bought the 500+ but once the suppliers had it in stock the
    price ballooned. I didn't think it was worth the original $200 asking
    price but now it's around $400.

    They can wipe their asses with it.

    I've been designing a matrix keyboard as an external dock for my tandy
    pc-2 pocket computer and chose an atmega mcu. It was quite exciting to
    find out that I could use the gpio pins on the pi500 to program the
    chip.

    Ever since all servers and workstation/firewall were replaced with a few
    pi's, a noiseless den has been thoroughly enjoyable. If anything makes a
    noise at all it'll come from the speakers or box fan.

    I can't see myself going back to a full desktop heat machine again.

    Fanless ARM machines FTW.

    --
    Daniel
    sysop | air & wave bbs
    finger | [email protected]
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  • From rbowman@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon Apr 20 07:48:06 2026
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    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 23:51:49 -0700, Daniel wrote:

    Fanless ARM machines FTW.

    My RPi 5 has a fan but it's quiet. For that matter the fan on the Beelink
    mini seldom kicks in other than when it reboots. Even the Dell desktop
    doesn't make any noticeable noise. However I'm not running gaming machines that need vapor phase cooling to prevent the GPU from melting down.
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  • From Jan Panteltje@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon Apr 20 11:59:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    Daniel <[email protected]>wrote:
    RonB <[email protected]> writes:

    My nephew was in MicroCenter and saw the Raspberry Pi 400 on sale
    (clearance?) for $40, so he picked one up for himself and sent one to me. >> I'm having fun with it.

    It runs on a Broadcom (ARM) quad core CPU (BCM2711, ARM Cortex A72). It has >> 4 GBs of RAM, WiFi, BlueTooth, two mini HDMI ports, an SD port, a GB
    Ethernet port, two USB 3.x ports and one USB 2.x port. It's powered through >> a USB-C port (5 volts, 3 AMPs minimum). It also has that Raspberry Pi pinout
    whatever for all kinds of add-ons, which I know nothing about. So I have an >> ARM Linux machine now.

    It runs on either Debian Bookworm (32 bit) or Debian Trixie (64-bit), plus a
    whole bunch of others. For some reason the original microSD came with the >> 32-bit version of Raspberry Pi OS. Which, to me, is interesting for one
    reason. The 64-bit Trelby Arm AppImage worked on the 32-bit OS. The creator >> of that AppImage told me the this happened because the CPU is 64-bit, and >> the AppImage was so self-contained that it didn't look for any libraries
    (not even the "linking libraries" — whatever they are). He told me that I >> was probably the first one who tried this. So being clueless and doing
    stupid things has it benefits. :)

    This is not a powerful machine and microSD card media is s-l-o-w. So, I
    followed the instructions to set the machine up to use a 64-bit
    version of the Raspberry Pi OS on a USB 3.x drive (SanDisk Ultra Fit, about >> the size of a mouse dongle) and am using that for my "hard drive." Much
    faster. No one will mistake the 400 for an i7 Linux computer, but it streams
    TubiTV and YouTube well (YouTube at 720p) and works pretty well overall. It >> uses LXDE as its desktop environment and OpenBox as its Window Manager (so >> light weight). It came defaulted to Wayland, but its configuration
    application "raspi-config" easily allowed me to move to X11, which seems to >> be a bit smoother on this computer.

    I've installed Trelby, the ARM version of Simplenote, DOSBox-X with dBase, >> Wordstar and ScriptThing — all work fine. Jstar is there, all the Firefox >> customizations work. So it's a usable, Linux ARM computer. No fan, but a
    huge heat sink and runs at about 40 degrees Celsius. It also came with PDF >> versions of the Raspberry Pi book (274 pages) and PDF versions of 134 MagPi >> magazines (issue 31 through 164, which is the current (April) magazine.
    These magazines take me back to the old computer magazines. 120 pages of
    articles (some ads) with programs and programming tips in the newest
    magazine, and lots about kits and stuff that's way above my pay grade. It's >> almost nostalgic, takes me back to when I was young.

    And the surprising thing. This computer was made in England, not China. At >> any rate, this has been taking up my time. It's like going back to earlier >> days of computing. If you live near a MicroCenter you might want to look
    into one of these.

    I meant to mention, this 400 is using the 6.12 Linux kernel (probably what >> Debian Trixie is using).

    When the pi500 came out I unceremoniously ripped the mobo out of the 400
    and took the keyboard shell for a round of destruction. I never ever
    used a keyboard as worthless.

    The 500s keyboard is better, but the spacebar still requires the
    thumb hit the exact center before registering a keystroke.

    At least it is functional.

    I would've bought the 500+ but once the suppliers had it in stock the
    price ballooned. I didn't think it was worth the original $200 asking
    price but now it's around $400.

    They can wipe their asses with it.

    I've been designing a matrix keyboard as an external dock for my tandy
    pc-2 pocket computer and chose an atmega mcu. It was quite exciting to
    find out that I could use the gpio pins on the pi500 to program the
    chip.

    Ever since all servers and workstation/firewall were replaced with a few >pi's, a noiseless den has been thoroughly enjoyable. If anything makes a >noise at all it'll come from the speakers or box fan.

    I can't see myself going back to a full desktop heat machine again.

    Fanless ARM machines FTW.

    I am using 2 Pi4 with fan, and a Logitech keyboard and mouse via a 4 port Sounix USB3 switch to select the Pi I want to communicate with,
    can talk to an other older Pi without fan Pi via SSH.
    And an Eminent HDMI switch with IR remote to select which Pi is on the monitor. One Pi is online via a Huawei4 G USB modem, posting this from that.
    An other Pi records security cameras, plays music, but has no net connection and no ethernet connection to this one and outside world for security reasons Same for the third Pi that runs all sorts of software I wrote, logs air and plane traffic, air pressure, temperature, GPS position,
    a lot more stuff.
    I like the keyboard switch, can type faster when getting used to one keyboard size.



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  • From Daniel@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Mon Apr 20 08:54:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    rbowman <[email protected]> writes:

    On Fri, 17 Apr 2026 03:27:41 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I meant to mention, this 400 is using the 6.12 Linux kernel (probably
    what Debian Trixie is using).

    Mt Pi 5 has the Trixie Raspberry Pi Os and is 6.12. One thing to watch if you update the OS -- currently sudo doesn't ask for a password but future releases will. That could impact scripts that depend on sudo working silently.

    The Pi 5 is getting hammered by the RAM and component price increases. So far the Orange Pi has been holding down the prices. It won't be pretty but
    I won't shed tears if this AI bubble pops sometime soon.

    You can say that again.
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  • From RonB@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue Apr 21 06:21:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On 2026-04-18, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 09:36:34 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I thought Orange Pi was a division of Raspberry Pi (until I looked).
    Obviously it's not. It looks like there are a couple other board makers
    as well. If I was younger and had half a brain, I would probably like
    building out some of the projects.

    The Arduino Q is interesting but I haven't played with it. The
    architecture is a little different, like a Pi with a Pico glued to the bottom. Even Beagle has some interesting boards.

    https://www.beagleboard.org/boards

    There are more of these than I realized. Did they all copy Raspberry Pi, or were someone of them already out there?
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  • From RonB@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue Apr 21 06:28:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On 2026-04-20, Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
    RonB <[email protected]> writes:

    My nephew was in MicroCenter and saw the Raspberry Pi 400 on sale
    (clearance?) for $40, so he picked one up for himself and sent one to me. >> I'm having fun with it.

    It runs on a Broadcom (ARM) quad core CPU (BCM2711, ARM Cortex A72). It has >> 4 GBs of RAM, WiFi, BlueTooth, two mini HDMI ports, an SD port, a GB
    Ethernet port, two USB 3.x ports and one USB 2.x port. It's powered through >> a USB-C port (5 volts, 3 AMPs minimum). It also has that Raspberry Pi pinout
    whatever for all kinds of add-ons, which I know nothing about. So I have an >> ARM Linux machine now.

    It runs on either Debian Bookworm (32 bit) or Debian Trixie (64-bit), plus a
    whole bunch of others. For some reason the original microSD came with the >> 32-bit version of Raspberry Pi OS. Which, to me, is interesting for one
    reason. The 64-bit Trelby Arm AppImage worked on the 32-bit OS. The creator >> of that AppImage told me the this happened because the CPU is 64-bit, and >> the AppImage was so self-contained that it didn't look for any libraries
    (not even the "linking libraries" — whatever they are). He told me that I >> was probably the first one who tried this. So being clueless and doing
    stupid things has it benefits. :)

    This is not a powerful machine and microSD card media is s-l-o-w. So, I
    followed the instructions to set the machine up to use a 64-bit
    version of the Raspberry Pi OS on a USB 3.x drive (SanDisk Ultra Fit, about >> the size of a mouse dongle) and am using that for my "hard drive." Much
    faster. No one will mistake the 400 for an i7 Linux computer, but it streams
    TubiTV and YouTube well (YouTube at 720p) and works pretty well overall. It >> uses LXDE as its desktop environment and OpenBox as its Window Manager (so >> light weight). It came defaulted to Wayland, but its configuration
    application "raspi-config" easily allowed me to move to X11, which seems to >> be a bit smoother on this computer.

    I've installed Trelby, the ARM version of Simplenote, DOSBox-X with dBase, >> Wordstar and ScriptThing — all work fine. Jstar is there, all the Firefox >> customizations work. So it's a usable, Linux ARM computer. No fan, but a
    huge heat sink and runs at about 40 degrees Celsius. It also came with PDF >> versions of the Raspberry Pi book (274 pages) and PDF versions of 134 MagPi >> magazines (issue 31 through 164, which is the current (April) magazine.
    These magazines take me back to the old computer magazines. 120 pages of
    articles (some ads) with programs and programming tips in the newest
    magazine, and lots about kits and stuff that's way above my pay grade. It's >> almost nostalgic, takes me back to when I was young.

    And the surprising thing. This computer was made in England, not China. At >> any rate, this has been taking up my time. It's like going back to earlier >> days of computing. If you live near a MicroCenter you might want to look
    into one of these.

    I meant to mention, this 400 is using the 6.12 Linux kernel (probably what >> Debian Trixie is using).

    When the pi500 came out I unceremoniously ripped the mobo out of the 400
    and took the keyboard shell for a round of destruction. I never ever
    used a keyboard as worthless.

    I like the Raspberry Pi 400's keyboard. I had the opposite reaction. I
    thought it pretty good for its size.

    The 500s keyboard is better, but the spacebar still requires the
    thumb hit the exact center before registering a keystroke.

    At least it is functional.

    My 400 keyboard is functional. You must have gotten a lemon.

    I would've bought the 500+ but once the suppliers had it in stock the
    price ballooned. I didn't think it was worth the original $200 asking
    price but now it's around $400.

    They can wipe their asses with it.

    I don't there's much they can do about the crazy price of RAM and storage
    now.

    I've been designing a matrix keyboard as an external dock for my tandy
    pc-2 pocket computer and chose an atmega mcu. It was quite exciting to
    find out that I could use the gpio pins on the pi500 to program the
    chip.

    My brother would know about that. I haven't got a clue what gpio pins do.

    Ever since all servers and workstation/firewall were replaced with a few pi's, a noiseless den has been thoroughly enjoyable. If anything makes a noise at all it'll come from the speakers or box fan.

    I can't see myself going back to a full desktop heat machine again.

    Fanless ARM machines FTW.

    I'm pretty impressed with this Pi 400. But the Dell Wyse 5070 thin clients that used to be cheap (not so much any more) also are fanless and low
    voltage.

    --
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    sysop | air & wave bbs
    finger | [email protected]

    A BBS? I haven't been to one of them in a long time.
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  • From RonB@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue Apr 21 06:32:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On 2026-04-20, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 23:51:49 -0700, Daniel wrote:

    Fanless ARM machines FTW.

    My RPi 5 has a fan but it's quiet. For that matter the fan on the Beelink mini seldom kicks in other than when it reboots. Even the Dell desktop doesn't make any noticeable noise. However I'm not running gaming machines that need vapor phase cooling to prevent the GPU from melting down.

    My micro/mini/tiny (depending on the company) 7"x7"x1.5" little computers
    have fans, but with what I do on Linux, they hardly ever run.

    I don't have any "big" machines and I don't see me ever using one again. I just don't need that power. I prefer quiet and cool.
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  • From RonB@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue Apr 21 06:34:35 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On 2026-04-20, Daniel <[email protected]> wrote:
    rbowman <[email protected]> writes:

    On Fri, 17 Apr 2026 03:27:41 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I meant to mention, this 400 is using the 6.12 Linux kernel (probably
    what Debian Trixie is using).

    Mt Pi 5 has the Trixie Raspberry Pi Os and is 6.12. One thing to watch if >> you update the OS -- currently sudo doesn't ask for a password but future >> releases will. That could impact scripts that depend on sudo working
    silently.

    The Pi 5 is getting hammered by the RAM and component price increases. So >> far the Orange Pi has been holding down the prices. It won't be pretty but >> I won't shed tears if this AI bubble pops sometime soon.

    You can say that again.

    I would like to see every AI server farm blown up. And the RAM prices are
    only a small part of why I would want this.
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  • From rbowman@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue Apr 21 18:53:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 06:21:54 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    On 2026-04-18, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 09:36:34 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I thought Orange Pi was a division of Raspberry Pi (until I looked).
    Obviously it's not. It looks like there are a couple other board
    makers as well. If I was younger and had half a brain, I would
    probably like building out some of the projects.

    The Arduino Q is interesting but I haven't played with it. The
    architecture is a little different, like a Pi with a Pico glued to the
    bottom. Even Beagle has some interesting boards.

    https://www.beagleboard.org/boards

    There are more of these than I realized. Did they all copy Raspberry Pi,
    or were someone of them already out there?

    The BeagleBone preceded the Pi by about a year. The layout is different
    than the Pi and has its own set of 'capes' that are like 'hats', 'shields'
    and so forth. The Arduinos were also around, and they had originally been designed to replace the Parallax BASIC stamp.

    For the Pi, the concept goes back to the BBC Micro in the '80s that was supposed to increase computer literacy in school kids. Where it gets
    confusing is Acorn produced the BBC Micro. which used a 6502.Acorn started playing around with a RISC architecture and eventually spun off Advanced
    RISC Machines, aka ARM.

    So the Beagles are ARM designs licensed by TI.

    Others, like the Banana and Orange Pis are clones/improvements on the Raspberry.

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  • From RonB@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat Apr 25 08:28:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On 2026-04-21, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 06:21:54 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    On 2026-04-18, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 09:36:34 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    I thought Orange Pi was a division of Raspberry Pi (until I looked).
    Obviously it's not. It looks like there are a couple other board
    makers as well. If I was younger and had half a brain, I would
    probably like building out some of the projects.

    The Arduino Q is interesting but I haven't played with it. The
    architecture is a little different, like a Pi with a Pico glued to the
    bottom. Even Beagle has some interesting boards.

    https://www.beagleboard.org/boards

    There are more of these than I realized. Did they all copy Raspberry Pi,
    or were someone of them already out there?

    The BeagleBone preceded the Pi by about a year. The layout is different
    than the Pi and has its own set of 'capes' that are like 'hats', 'shields' and so forth. The Arduinos were also around, and they had originally been designed to replace the Parallax BASIC stamp.

    For the Pi, the concept goes back to the BBC Micro in the '80s that was supposed to increase computer literacy in school kids. Where it gets confusing is Acorn produced the BBC Micro. which used a 6502.Acorn started playing around with a RISC architecture and eventually spun off Advanced RISC Machines, aka ARM.

    So the Beagles are ARM designs licensed by TI.

    Others, like the Banana and Orange Pis are clones/improvements on the Raspberry.

    Thanks for the info. So Acorn (which I kind of remember) was were ARM
    started? If I knew that before I forgot it.
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  • From rbowman@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat Apr 25 19:16:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 08:28:44 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

    Thanks for the info. So Acorn (which I kind of remember) was were ARM started? If I knew that before I forgot it.

    Yeah, it's a tangled history. The ARM architecture has been around a lot longer than many people realize. Even the first Windows on ARM attempt,
    the Windows RT disaster, is sort of forgotten. WoA Part 2 seems to be on
    the back burner as MS chases the AI squirrels.

    I was confused when Apple came out with the M series. In the rest of the
    ARM world, the Ms are microcontrollers and the As are application microprocessors.
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