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"The fact that you can run the same application binary, compiled to
native code, on fundamentally different operating systems, is no less
than a miracle. And Microsoft is doing it quite successfully. I’d argue
that Windows has better backward compatibility than Linux. Try to use
any 10 years old productivity software on the latest Ubuntu! Not small
shell utils, but big software with a lot of dependencies. It’s a real
hell, Windows is a piece of cake in comparison. There was a time when I
had around 5 Linux VMs, because either the apps or their license server
or other stuff stopped working when libc, or some common core library or whatever was updated."

Look for the answer by "Ferenc Valenta" at

https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-Linux-community-manage-to-reverse-engineer-NTFS-and-what-challenges-did-they-face


Funny how we never about this "hell" here on cola. Does nobody run old programs?

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s. ZERO glitches.

MS is doomed.

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On 4/23/2026 10:23 PM, DFS wrote:

"The fact that you can run the same application binary, compiled to
native code, on fundamentally different operating systems, is no less
than a miracle. And Microsoft is doing it quite successfully. I’d argue that Windows has better backward compatibility than Linux. Try to use
any 10 years old productivity software on the latest Ubuntu! Not small
shell utils, but big software with a lot of dependencies. It’s a real hell, Windows is a piece of cake in comparison. There was a time when I
had around 5 Linux VMs, because either the apps or their license server
or other stuff stopped working when libc, or some common core library or whatever was updated."

Look for the answer by "Ferenc Valenta" at

https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-Linux-community-manage-to-reverse- engineer-NTFS-and-what-challenges-did-they-face

Funny how we never about this "hell" here on cola.  Does nobody run old programs?

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s.  ZERO glitches.

MS is doomed.

I purchased Microsoft 365 Personal, today. But the only features I am interested in are the cloud stuff and Outlook. I'll still use
LibreOffice Writer, for documents. MS Word is goofy AF.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 22:23:38 -0400, DFS wrote:

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s. ZERO glitches.

Congratulations on running 23 year old software. I imagine you have the
Jet engine fueled and ready to go too. Sort of apropos I got the insurance bill for the 2003 DR650 today. It still runs, too.
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On 4/23/2026 10:49 PM, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 22:23:38 -0400, DFS wrote:

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s. ZERO glitches.

Congratulations on running 23 year old software. I imagine you have the
Jet engine fueled and ready to go too. Sort of apropos I got the insurance bill for the 2003 DR650 today. It still runs, too.

I looked at Word, since I have it now, it's a piece of shit. LO Writer
is the only way to fly. But paying for 365 to get Outlook is a good deal.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 22:55:51 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 4/23/2026 10:49 PM, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 22:23:38 -0400, DFS wrote:

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s. ZERO glitches.

Congratulations on running 23 year old software. I imagine you have the
Jet engine fueled and ready to go too. Sort of apropos I got the
insurance bill for the 2003 DR650 today. It still runs, too.

I looked at Word, since I have it now, it's a piece of shit. LO Writer
is the only way to fly. But paying for 365 to get Outlook is a good
deal.

Neither are something I use.
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 22:42:24 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

I purchased Microsoft 365 Personal, today. But the only features I am interested in are the cloud stuff and Outlook. I'll still use
LibreOffice Writer, for documents. MS Word is goofy AF.

https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nrx63209r7b?hl=en-US&gl=US

Outlook is free now? I remember when Outlook Express was bundled with
Windows. Entirely different codebase that had nothing to do with Outlook
other than the name.

Anyway I use Thunderbird on both Windows and Linux.
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On 4/24/2026 1:13 AM, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 22:55:51 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 4/23/2026 10:49 PM, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2026 22:23:38 -0400, DFS wrote:

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s. ZERO glitches.

Congratulations on running 23 year old software. I imagine you have the
Jet engine fueled and ready to go too. Sort of apropos I got the
insurance bill for the 2003 DR650 today. It still runs, too.

I looked at Word, since I have it now, it's a piece of shit. LO Writer
is the only way to fly. But paying for 365 to get Outlook is a good
deal.

Neither are something I use.

I had to talk to myself into it, but I ended up thinking it was worth
it. Then again, it is funny that cloud features/email would be all I
need from it.
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Joel W. Crump
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On 4/24/2026 1:17 AM, rbowman wrote:

I purchased Microsoft 365 Personal, today. But the only features I am
interested in are the cloud stuff and Outlook. I'll still use
LibreOffice Writer, for documents. MS Word is goofy AF.

https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nrx63209r7b?hl=en-US&gl=US

Outlook is free now? I remember when Outlook Express was bundled with Windows. Entirely different codebase that had nothing to do with Outlook other than the name.

Anyway I use Thunderbird on both Windows and Linux.

Win11 has a different app that's also called Outlook, but I wanted the
real one. Thunderbird is what I use under Windows or Linux for Usenet.
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rbowman wrote:

some dumb fsck wrote:

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s. ZERO glitches.

Congratulations on running 23 year old software. I imagine you have the
Jet engine fueled and ready to go too.

I still have a couple pieces of Windows software that I use that may
be older yet. Agent newreader and ACDSee photo viewer.

Sort of apropos I got the insurance
bill for the 2003 DR650 today. It still runs, too.

As does my 2006 SV650.
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shamelessly
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On 4/24/2026 8:22 AM, chrisv wrote:

rbowman wrote:

some dumb fsck wrote:

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s. ZERO glitches.

Congratulations on running 23 year old software. I imagine you have the
Jet engine fueled and ready to go too.

I still have a couple pieces of Windows software that I use that may
be older yet. Agent newreader and ACDSee photo viewer.

I had the same attachment to Forte Agent, clinging to the past,
Thunderbird is better, though. Change is good. You're proving why you stumbled into getting pwned about MS's un-evidenced alleged spying, you
think you can win by not debating, by ASSuming facts not in evidence,
you're a kid.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 07:22:57 -0500, chrisv wrote:

rbowman wrote:

some dumb fsck wrote:

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s. ZERO glitches.

Congratulations on running 23 year old software. I imagine you have the
Jet engine fueled and ready to go too.

I still have a couple pieces of Windows software that I use that may be
older yet. Agent newreader and ACDSee photo viewer.

Sort of apropos I got the insurance bill for the 2003 DR650 today. It
still runs, too.

As does my 2006 SV650.

I've got a 2008 DL650, same engine but tuned a bit differently. There are
650s and then there are 650s. A DOHC FI V-Twin is a bit different from a carbureted thumper from 1990. The DR gets the job done but is a bit short
on creature comfort. Sometimes progress is good.

fwiw the DR650 hasn't been sold in the EU for 25 years due to the environmental legislation. Even mine is a 49 state model, not welcome in
CA.
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 05:06:12 -0400, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 4/24/2026 1:17 AM, rbowman wrote:

I purchased Microsoft 365 Personal, today. But the only features I am
interested in are the cloud stuff and Outlook. I'll still use
LibreOffice Writer, for documents. MS Word is goofy AF.

https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nrx63209r7b?hl=en-US&gl=US

Outlook is free now? I remember when Outlook Express was bundled with
Windows. Entirely different codebase that had nothing to do with
Outlook other than the name.

Anyway I use Thunderbird on both Windows and Linux.

Win11 has a different app that's also called Outlook, but I wanted the
real one. Thunderbird is what I use under Windows or Linux for Usenet.

What's the unreal one? Outlook was COM based so you could script it
through the exposed COM features. Outlook Express was not and didn't fit
into the DDE/OLE/COM scheme.
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On 4/24/2026 10:02 AM, rbowman wrote:

I purchased Microsoft 365 Personal, today. But the only features I am >>>> interested in are the cloud stuff and Outlook. I'll still use
LibreOffice Writer, for documents. MS Word is goofy AF.

https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nrx63209r7b?hl=en-US&gl=US

Outlook is free now? I remember when Outlook Express was bundled with
Windows. Entirely different codebase that had nothing to do with
Outlook other than the name.

Anyway I use Thunderbird on both Windows and Linux.

Win11 has a different app that's also called Outlook, but I wanted the
real one. Thunderbird is what I use under Windows or Linux for Usenet.

What's the unreal one? Outlook was COM based so you could script it
through the exposed COM features. Outlook Express was not and didn't fit
into the DDE/OLE/COM scheme.

The free Outlook comes with Win11, it's completely distinct from the one
that comes with 365. The paid Outlook doesn't resemble what I remember
of it from Office 2000, which was the last I'd ever had this stuff. And
as I mentioned in another post, even though I now have Word/etc. I
prefer LibreOffice for stuff like that.
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DFS wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

"The fact that you can run the same application binary, compiled to
native code, on fundamentally different operating systems, is no less
than a miracle. And Microsoft is doing it quite successfully. I’d argue that Windows has better backward compatibility than Linux. Try to use
any 10 years old productivity software on the latest Ubuntu! Not small
shell utils, but big software with a lot of dependencies. It’s a real hell, Windows is a piece of cake in comparison. There was a time when I
had around 5 Linux VMs, because either the apps or their license server
or other stuff stopped working when libc, or some common core library or whatever was updated."

"Microsoft had to do it due to the nature of their user base.
They could not pull the plug on paying customers and turn their
back to them."

Look for the answer by "Ferenc Valenta" at

https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-Linux-community-manage-to-reverse-engineer-NTFS-and-what-challenges-did-they-face

Funny how we never about this "hell" here on cola. Does nobody run old programs?

Why should Linux users run old programs when modern forks and
upgrades exist?

On Windows 11 25H2 I run Office 2003 everyday, and occasionally games
from the early 2000s. ZERO glitches.

Good for you! Who cares?

MS is doomed.

DFS, you are a broken record.

However, the article you link is good. For example:

The effort began in the mid-1990s, shortly after NTFS debuted
with Windows NT 3.1 in 1993. Early developers had almost
nothing to work with — no official documentation beyond a
handful of high-level Microsoft whitepapers. The primary
technique was clean-room reverse engineering: examining the
raw bytes on an NTFS-formatted disk with hex editors and
custom tools, then inferring the meaning of each field by
creating test partitions, making controlled changes in
Windows, and observing how the on-disk structures shifted.

This is harder than it sounds. NTFS is a sophisticated
journaling file system built around a relational-database-like
structure called the Master File Table (MFT). Every file,
directory, and piece of metadata on the disk is represented as
a record in the MFT. Each record can contain multiple
"attributes" — some resident (stored inline), others
non-resident (pointing to clusters elsewhere on disk).
Understanding how these attributes were laid out, how they
interacted, and how Windows updated them required thousands of
hours of painstaking binary analysis.
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rbowman wrote:

chrisv wrote:

rbowman wrote:

I got the insurance bill for the 2003 DR650 today. It
still runs, too.

As does my 2006 SV650.

I've got a 2008 DL650, same engine but tuned a bit differently. There are >650s and then there are 650s. A DOHC FI V-Twin is a bit different from a >carbureted thumper from 1990.

A memory from my childhood was an older neighbor guy who had a Triumph
650 chopper. Loud as hell. We thought that it was kind of badass,
but the thing probably had 45HP, compared to 70 for my SV.

A had another neighbor guy who bought a Honda CB175 twin. I helped
him polish his intakes. It didn't help. He soon sold it and bought a
CB350, which was a "decent-sized" bike at the time. Then the mighty
CB750 came out. *Finally* there was a bike that was fast *and*
reliable.
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disable 17 different types of compiler warnings
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 16:31:10 -0500, chrisv wrote:

A had another neighbor guy who bought a Honda CB175 twin. I helped him polish his intakes. It didn't help. He soon sold it and bought a
CB350,
which was a "decent-sized" bike at the time. Then the mighty CB750 came
out. *Finally* there was a bike that was fast *and* reliable.

The 750 Nighthawk was on my short list but there never was one at the
right time and place. I had a Yamaha Seca 400 that was 'too small' but I managed to put a lot of miles on it. It was bland and forgiving -- until
you got to 7500 RPM and the squirrels in the engine room woke up. It was designed for the European tiered licensing but didn't do well in the US although some of the bigger Secas sold.
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On 2026-04-24, chrisv <[email protected]d> wrote:

rbowman wrote:

chrisv wrote:

rbowman wrote:

I got the insurance bill for the 2003 DR650 today. It
still runs, too.

As does my 2006 SV650.

I've got a 2008 DL650, same engine but tuned a bit differently. There are >>650s and then there are 650s. A DOHC FI V-Twin is a bit different from a >>carbureted thumper from 1990.

A memory from my childhood was an older neighbor guy who had a Triumph
650 chopper. Loud as hell. We thought that it was kind of badass,
but the thing probably had 45HP, compared to 70 for my SV.

I don't know how well a chopped Triumph Bonneville would handle, but my 750 (unchopped) Triumph Bonneville handled very nicely. A guy at work, who had
an 850 Yamaha, kept wanting me to race him and I finally agreed. Off the line it wasn't even close. In the long run he would have caught me, but not in
the short sprint. He never bothered me about racing him again. My brother
had a Triumph Trident. That one had a much higher end than the Bonneville.
(I rode it one time. At 90 mph the throttle stuck. Never wanted to get on it again.)

I never could understand chopping out your muffler to make the motorcycle loud.

A had another neighbor guy who bought a Honda CB175 twin. I helped
him polish his intakes. It didn't help. He soon sold it and bought a
CB350, which was a "decent-sized" bike at the time. Then the mighty
CB750 came out. *Finally* there was a bike that was fast *and*
reliable.

Before the Bonneville I had a 350 "Harley-Davidson" Sprint. It was really an Italian Aermaacchi (after Harley-Davidson bought them). These were originally racing bikes. They had a long wheel base and handled really well on the
road. One time, when I worked at Golf-N-Stuff in Ventura, California, a
fellow employee wanted to try out my Harley and I could ride his Honda 350. The first corner in the parking lot I almost spilled the Honda. It was top heavy and I wasn't used to not being able to lean. I parked it, and told him he could still ride my bike, but I was done with his.
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