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"
While I like the look and feel of Ubuntu 26.04 LTS something can be said
about the issues I encountered. Especially the crashing of applications,
the disappearance of icons, and WiFi suddenly not working. None is
really a deal breaker to me but I can imagine that for a beginner those are.
"

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On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:11:14 +0200, John Bokma wrote:

"
While I like the look and feel of Ubuntu 26.04 LTS something can be said about the issues I encountered. Especially the crashing of applications,
the disappearance of icons, and WiFi suddenly not working. None is
really a deal breaker to me but I can imagine that for a beginner those
are.
"

I haven't had many problems with 26.04. Thunderbird sometimes stops
working. It doesn't crash but doesn't collect mail from the STMP server. A restart fixes it.

I doubt I'll go to 26.10. GNOME isn't my favorite DE and I've no desire to
see how long it takes to sort out GNOME 51. The KDE 6.8 on the Tumbleweed laptop works well although I've not, and probably never will, use the new features.
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On 22/10/2026 19:59, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:11:14 +0200, John Bokma wrote:

"
While I like the look and feel of Ubuntu 26.04 LTS something can be said
about the issues I encountered. Especially the crashing of applications,
the disappearance of icons, and WiFi suddenly not working. None is
really a deal breaker to me but I can imagine that for a beginner those
are.
"

I haven't had many problems with 26.04. Thunderbird sometimes stops
working. It doesn't crash but doesn't collect mail from the STMP server. A restart fixes it.

I only use Thunderbird on macOS. What I've noticed is that after a while
it doesn't show messages (the contents) in the preview pane anymore. A
restart fixes this. It's still in 158.0. There is an update to 158.0.1 available, no idea if that contains a fix.

I doubt I'll go to 26.10. GNOME isn't my favorite DE and I've no desire to see how long it takes to sort out GNOME 51. The KDE 6.8 on the Tumbleweed laptop works well although I've not, and probably never will, use the new features.

I just use whatever comes with Ubuntu :-). Don't like to configure
things endlessly. And I pick Ubuntu because it's common. If I run into
an issue others might have done too, and maybe provide a fix.
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On Oct 22, 2026 at 11:04 AM, John Bokma wrote in
11bdj81$13d6d$[email protected]:

On 22/10/2026 19:59, rbowman wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:11:14 +0200, John Bokma wrote:

"
While I like the look and feel of Ubuntu 26.04 LTS something can be
said about the issues I encountered. Especially the crashing of
applications, the disappearance of icons, and WiFi suddenly not
working. None is really a deal breaker to me but I can imagine that
for a beginner those are.
"

I haven't had many problems with 26.04. Thunderbird sometimes stops
working. It doesn't crash but doesn't collect mail from the STMP
server. A restart fixes it.

I only use Thunderbird on macOS. What I've noticed is that after a
while it doesn't show messages (the contents) in the preview pane
anymore. A restart fixes this. It's still in 158.0. There is an update
to 158.0.1 available, no idea if that contains a fix.

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it. Moved to
Usenapp... and it is OK. Now working on my own. So far it is going well
but still a lot to do.

I doubt I'll go to 26.10. GNOME isn't my favorite DE and I've no
desire to see how long it takes to sort out GNOME 51. The KDE 6.8 on
the Tumbleweed laptop works well although I've not, and probably
never will, use the new features.

I just use whatever comes with Ubuntu :-). Don't like to configure
things endlessly. And I pick Ubuntu because it's common. If I run into
an issue others might have done too, and maybe provide a fix.

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On 22/10/2026 19:34, Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it. Moved to
Usenapp... and it is OK. Now working on my own. So far it is going well
but still a lot to do.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks. It isn't bad for email tho
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks.  It isn't bad for email tho

If it *really* sucked I wouldn't use it, it's on the non-sucky side of
the line.

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On Oct 22, 2026 at 11:48 AM, Andy Burns wrote in [email protected]:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks. It isn't bad for email tho

If it *really* sucked I wouldn't use it, it's on the non-sucky side of
the line.

Have you used Usenapp as a comparison?
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On 10/22/2026 2:37 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2026 19:34, Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it. Moved to
Usenapp... and it is OK. Now working on my own. So far it is going well
but still a lot to do.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks.  It isn't bad for email tho

macOS and iOS have NNTP clients to envy, as a Winblows/Android guy. I
can admit that. Not enough to make me switch, though, I just put up
with Thunderbird on Windows, and let it be.
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On Oct 22, 2026 at 12:39 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote in 11bdop5$15i1g$[email protected]:

On 10/22/2026 2:37 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2026 19:34, Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it. Moved to
Usenapp... and it is OK. Now working on my own. So far it is going
well but still a lot to do.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks. It isn't bad for email tho

macOS and iOS have NNTP clients to envy, as a Winblows/Android guy. I
can admit that. Not enough to make me switch, though, I just put up
with Thunderbird on Windows, and let it be.

I like NewsTap on iOS but do not like any of the macOS clients... hence
why I am making my own. It is still rough around the edges but already I
am using it as my day to day client and (mostly) preferring it to the competition.
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On 10/22/2026 3:43 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 12:39 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote in 11bdop5$15i1g$[email protected]:

On 10/22/2026 2:37 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2026 19:34, Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it. Moved to
Usenapp... and it is OK. Now working on my own. So far it is going
well but still a lot to do.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks. It isn't bad for email tho

macOS and iOS have NNTP clients to envy, as a Winblows/Android guy. I
can admit that. Not enough to make me switch, though, I just put up
with Thunderbird on Windows, and let it be.

I like NewsTap on iOS but do not like any of the macOS clients... hence
why I am making my own. It is still rough around the edges but already I
am using it as my day to day client and (mostly) preferring it to the competition.

Cool!
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On Oct 22, 2026 at 1:05 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote in 11bdq9m$166j5$[email protected]:

On 10/22/2026 3:43 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 12:39 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote in
11bdop5$15i1g$[email protected]:

On 10/22/2026 2:37 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 22/10/2026 19:34, Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it. Moved to
Usenapp... and it is OK. Now working on my own. So far it is going
well but still a lot to do.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks. It isn't bad for email tho

macOS and iOS have NNTP clients to envy, as a Winblows/Android guy.
I can admit that. Not enough to make me switch, though, I just put
up with Thunderbird on Windows, and let it be.

I like NewsTap on iOS but do not like any of the macOS clients...
hence why I am making my own. It is still rough around the edges but
already I am using it as my day to day client and (mostly) preferring
it to the competition.

Cool!

I am currently stress testing it. At 1.3M posts (total) it has some
areas it needs to be sped up but mostly handles it well. The biggest
issue is a group with over 800K posts takes a long time for first
opening. For only working for about 10 days it is coming along great.

Want to make a video to show it off -- and with Usenet being public it
is not like I am sharing anything personal.
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On 22/10/2026 20:34, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 11:04 AM, John Bokma wrote in

[..]

I only use Thunderbird on macOS. What I've noticed is that after a
while it doesn't show messages (the contents) in the preview pane
anymore. A restart fixes this. It's still in 158.0. There is an update
to 158.0.1 available, no idea if that contains a fix.

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it. Moved to
Usenapp... and it is OK. Now working on my own. So far it is going well
but still a lot to do.

I couldn't make Gnus (Emacs) work with eternal September, so I tried Thunderbird and it worked :-).
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On Oct 22, 2026 at 1:30 PM, John Bokma wrote in
11bdrom$16n9c$[email protected]:

On 22/10/2026 20:34, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 11:04 AM, John Bokma wrote in

[..]

I only use Thunderbird on macOS. What I've noticed is that after a
while it doesn't show messages (the contents) in the preview pane
anymore. A restart fixes this. It's still in 158.0. There is an
update to 158.0.1 available, no idea if that contains a fix.

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it. Moved to
Usenapp... and it is OK. Now working on my own. So far it is going
well but still a lot to do.

I couldn't make Gnus (Emacs) work with eternal September, so I tried Thunderbird and it worked :-).

Fair. And free.
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 20:04:47 +0200, John Bokma wrote:

I only use Thunderbird on macOS. What I've noticed is that after a while
it doesn't show messages (the contents) in the preview pane anymore. A restart fixes this. It's still in 158.0. There is an update to 158.0.1 available, no idea if that contains a fix.

I only have Thunderbird on the Ubuntu box. It's a snap and is 1.140. At
work I used KMail but iirc I had a problem configuring it for the Exchange server. Thunderbird worked and is cross platform. I used it for newsgroups
but kept hitting strange format issues and moved to Pan.
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 19:48:26 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks.  It isn't bad for email tho

If it *really* sucked I wouldn't use it, it's on the non-sucky side of
the line.

It was toeing the line so closely I switched to Pan. I liked KNode but
that's dead on KDE. I do have slrn set up on the Fedora box as a
fallback.
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 12:00:14 -0700, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 11:48 AM, Andy Burns wrote in [email protected]:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks. It isn't bad for email tho

If it *really* sucked I wouldn't use it, it's on the non-sucky side of
the line.

Have you used Usenapp as a comparison?

MacOS only, right?
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On Oct 22, 2026 at 5:56 PM, rbowman wrote in
[email protected]:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 12:00:14 -0700, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 11:48 AM, Andy Burns wrote in
[email protected]:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks. It isn't bad for email tho

If it *really* sucked I wouldn't use it, it's on the non-sucky side
of the line.

Have you used Usenapp as a comparison?

MacOS only, right?

Yes. So if not macOS, well, you have not. Fair enough.

I am just focused on the macOS Usenet client world because I am making
my own -- and *maybe* if things go well I will try selling it. Trying to
get a feel for what people like / dislike.
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:11:14 +0200, John Bokma wrote:

"While I like the look and feel of Ubuntu 26.04 LTS something can be
said about the issues I encountered. Especially the crashing of
applications, the disappearance of icons, and WiFi suddenly not
working."

Just a note that anything involving “look and feel” and “icons” is a GUI issue, not an OS issue.

This is how Unix-type systems work. Those coming from proprietary
platforms like Microsoft’s and Apple’s often have difficulty
appreciating this fact.
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On Oct 22, 2026 at 7:28 PM, Lawrence D´Oliveiro wrote in 11begnu$1dg2a$[email protected]:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:11:14 +0200, John Bokma wrote:

"While I like the look and feel of Ubuntu 26.04 LTS something can be
said about the issues I encountered. Especially the crashing of
applications, the disappearance of icons, and WiFi suddenly not
working."

Just a note that anything involving "look and feel" and "icons" is a
GUI issue, not an OS issue.

This is how Unix-type systems work. Those coming from proprietary
platforms like Microsoft's and Apple's often have difficulty
appreciating this fact.

With Windows and macOS, the OS you get is a full package. That's also
largely true of most desktop Linux distros, which ship with a default
desktop like GNOME or KDE. The difference is that Linux is built as
loosely coupled layers (kernel, display server, window manager, desktop environment, toolkit), so you can swap pieces more easily, though mixing
them can get messy. macOS is also UNIX (certified, in fact) and has the
same kind of layering underneath, but Apple tightly coordinates
everything and doesn't let you replace the GUI layer. That makes
swapping effectively impossible, but it allows for polish and
consistency. Windows sits in the middle: you can't replace the window
system, but third-party shells and theming tools exist. Each approach
has pros and cons.
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 18:13:36 -0700, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 5:56 PM, rbowman wrote in [email protected]:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 12:00:14 -0700, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 11:48 AM, Andy Burns wrote in
[email protected]:

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

I have not used Thunderbird in forever. Did not like it.

Ads a Usenet agent it sucks. It isn't bad for email tho

If it *really* sucked I wouldn't use it, it's on the non-sucky side
of the line.

Have you used Usenapp as a comparison?

MacOS only, right?

Yes. So if not macOS, well, you have not. Fair enough.

I am just focused on the macOS Usenet client world because I am making
my own -- and *maybe* if things go well I will try selling it. Trying to
get a feel for what people like / dislike.

You might do better in a mac group than a Linux one.

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On Oct 22, 2026 at 9:45 PM, rbowman wrote in
[email protected]:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 18:13:36 -0700, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 5:56 PM, rbowman wrote in
[email protected]:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 12:00:14 -0700, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Oct 22, 2026 at 11:48 AM, Andy Burns wrote in
[email protected]:

<snip 9 lines>

Have you used Usenapp as a comparison?

MacOS only, right?

Yes. So if not macOS, well, you have not. Fair enough.

I am just focused on the macOS Usenet client world because I am
making my own -- and *maybe* if things go well I will try selling it.
Trying to get a feel for what people like / dislike.

You might do better in a mac group than a Linux one.

Fair. LOL! I also do like Linux, though I am grossly behind the times
with it. Used to run tech in small schools and worked to add Linux labs.
For schools it was ideal -- donated hardware that Linux works great on.
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On 2026-10-22 10:28 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 22 Oct 2026 14:11:14 +0200, John Bokma wrote:

"While I like the look and feel of Ubuntu 26.04 LTS something can be
said about the issues I encountered. Especially the crashing of
applications, the disappearance of icons, and WiFi suddenly not
working."

Just a note that anything involving “look and feel” and “icons” is a GUI issue, not an OS issue.

This is how Unix-type systems work. Those coming from proprietary
platforms like Microsoft’s and Apple’s often have difficulty
appreciating this fact.

Are UNIX-like systems supposed to break every time a fruit fly in the
computer room farts? You don't have to be coming from a proprietary
platform to feel that is awful.
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iPhone 13
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