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  • Re: MacOS is no longer UNIX

    From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 22 10:50:42 2026
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    On 2026-10-22 10:47 a.m., CrudeSausage wrote:
    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/macos-is-no-longer-unix>

    Apparently, Apple didn't bother to renew the certification. I,for one, couldn't care less.


    I forgot to crosspost to the Linux group.
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  • From Joel W. Crump@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 22 11:25:38 2026
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    On 10/22/2026 10:50 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-10-22 10:47 a.m., CrudeSausage wrote:

    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/macos-is-no-longer-unix>

    Apparently, Apple didn't bother to renew the certification. I,for one,
    couldn't care less.

    I forgot to crosspost to the Linux group.


    This goes to show why it's not a meaningful thing, just a trademark.
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    Joel W. Crump
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 22 11:45:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On 2026-10-22 11:25 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
    On 10/22/2026 10:50 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-10-22 10:47 a.m., CrudeSausage wrote:

    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/macos-is-no-longer-unix>

    Apparently, Apple didn't bother to renew the certification. I,for
    one, couldn't care less.

    I forgot to crosspost to the Linux group.


    This goes to show why it's not a meaningful thing, just a trademark.


    Nowadays, there is genuinely no good reason to even bother to seek out
    UNIX certification. If there weren't a splendid graphical user interface
    on top of what Apple uses that allows users to do everything they want
    to, that might have been an issue. Nevertheless, most Apple users never
    bother to use the Terminal. If anything, they bought a Mac to avoid it.

    Regardless of whether it is certified or not as UNIX, MacOS still
    provides all of UNIX's most important benefits.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 22 08:52:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Oct 22, 2026 at 8:45 AM, CrudeSausage wrote in 6ada2fa7$0$22$[email protected]:
    On 2026-10-22 11:25 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
    On 10/22/2026 10:50 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-10-22 10:47 a.m., CrudeSausage wrote:

    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/macos-is-no-longer-unix>

    Apparently, Apple didn't bother to renew the certification. I,for
    one, couldn't care less.

    I forgot to crosspost to the Linux group.


    This goes to show why it's not a meaningful thing, just a trademark.


    Nowadays, there is genuinely no good reason to even bother to seek out
    UNIX certification.

    For my purposes and those of most it does not matter at all. There are
    some it matters to. I want a UNIX-like command line with UNIX-like
    tools. Linux, even not certified, is fine. macOS, certified, is fine. If anything I think Linux tends to do things faster on the same hardware so
    the non-certified is sometimes better. To me the tools matter... the certification does not.

    If there weren't a splendid graphical user
    interface on top of what Apple uses that allows users to do everything
    they want to, that might have been an issue. Nevertheless, most Apple
    users never bother to use the Terminal. If anything, they bought a Mac
    to avoid it.

    Right... though it is good to have. As I have noted many times I wanted
    this long before macOS (OS X).

    <http://goo.gl/0wHM> Jul 18 1995 <3uh4b8$[email protected]>
    -----
    if DOS were a combo of UNIX and Mac it would be cool. I just
    wish we had something that combined the two. In theory that
    is the way both UNIX and Mac are growing
    -----

    <http://goo.gl/EDip> Jul 19 1995 <3ujt0s$[email protected]>
    -----
    But UNIX does have some advantages over the Mac... a CLI
    would be a great addition to the Mac. I would say that
    between Mac and UNIX you have the best operating systems
    around.
    -----

    <http://goo.gl/vrLf> Aug 10 1995 <40d96e$[email protected]>
    -----
    The Mac is not the end all in computer technology. Where it
    fails, UNIX excels. Between the two, there is almost no task
    that computers would be used for that can not be done. And
    one or the other will beat the competition in almost every
    area.
    -----

    Regardless of whether it is certified or not as UNIX, MacOS still
    provides all of UNIX's most important benefits.

    Agreed. And Linux has gotten CLOSER to having what I predicted way back
    when... a UI that is good.
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at
    peace with you.
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  • From Joel W. Crump@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 22 11:59:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On 10/22/2026 11:45 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/macos-is-no-longer-unix>

    Apparently, Apple didn't bother to renew the certification. I,for
    one, couldn't care less.

    I forgot to crosspost to the Linux group.

    This goes to show why it's not a meaningful thing, just a trademark.

    Nowadays, there is genuinely no good reason to even bother to seek out
    UNIX certification. If there weren't a splendid graphical user interface
    on top of what Apple uses that allows users to do everything they want
    to, that might have been an issue. Nevertheless, most Apple users never bother to use the Terminal. If anything, they bought a Mac to avoid it.

    Regardless of whether it is certified or not as UNIX, MacOS still
    provides all of UNIX's most important benefits.


    It is a Unix system, fundamentally. The Apple GUI isn't Unix, but it
    would be mistaken to see the OS as entirely proprietary to Apple, the
    majority of users are utilizing the Mac GUI presumably, but the
    possibility of using it as Unix is always there.
    --
    Joel W. Crump
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  • From Brock McNuggets@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 22 09:16:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On Oct 22, 2026 at 8:59 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote in 11bdbtc$1083p$[email protected]:
    On 10/22/2026 11:45 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/macos-is-no-longer-unix>

    Apparently, Apple didn't bother to renew the certification. I,for
    one, couldn't care less.

    I forgot to crosspost to the Linux group.

    This goes to show why it's not a meaningful thing, just a trademark.

    Nowadays, there is genuinely no good reason to even bother to seek
    out UNIX certification. If there weren't a splendid graphical user
    interface on top of what Apple uses that allows users to do
    everything they want to, that might have been an issue. Nevertheless,
    most Apple users never bother to use the Terminal. If anything, they
    bought a Mac to avoid it.

    Regardless of whether it is certified or not as UNIX, MacOS still
    provides all of UNIX's most important benefits.


    It is a Unix system, fundamentally. The Apple GUI isn't Unix, but it
    would be mistaken to see the OS as entirely proprietary to Apple, the majority of users are utilizing the Mac GUI presumably, but the
    possibility of using it as Unix is always there.

    There and for a good subset appreciated. I know you have seen these
    quotes before, but I know I wanted what macOS offers long before Apple
    offered it.

    <http://goo.gl/0wHM> Jul 18 1995 <3uh4b8$[email protected]>
    -----
    if DOS were a combo of UNIX and Mac it would be cool. I just
    wish we had something that combined the two. In theory that
    is the way both UNIX and Mac are growing
    -----

    <http://goo.gl/EDip> Jul 19 1995 <3ujt0s$[email protected]>
    -----
    But UNIX does have some advantages over the Mac... a CLI
    would be a great addition to the Mac. I would say that
    between Mac and UNIX you have the best operating systems
    around.
    -----

    <http://goo.gl/vrLf> Aug 10 1995 <40d96e$[email protected]>
    -----
    The Mac is not the end all in computer technology. Where it
    fails, UNIX excels. Between the two, there is almost no task
    that computers would be used for that can not be done. And
    one or the other will beat the competition in almost every
    area.
    -----
    --
    It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at
    peace with you.
    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu Oct 22 14:18:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.os.linux.advocacy

    On 2026-10-22 11:59 a.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
    On 10/22/2026 11:45 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

    <https://lunduke.substack.com/p/macos-is-no-longer-unix>

    Apparently, Apple didn't bother to renew the certification. I,for
    one, couldn't care less.

    I forgot to crosspost to the Linux group.

    This goes to show why it's not a meaningful thing, just a trademark.

    Nowadays, there is genuinely no good reason to even bother to seek out
    UNIX certification. If there weren't a splendid graphical user
    interface on top of what Apple uses that allows users to do everything
    they want to, that might have been an issue. Nevertheless, most Apple
    users never bother to use the Terminal. If anything, they bought a Mac
    to avoid it.

    Regardless of whether it is certified or not as UNIX, MacOS still
    provides all of UNIX's most important benefits.


    It is a Unix system, fundamentally.  The Apple GUI isn't Unix, but it
    would be mistaken to see the OS as entirely proprietary to Apple, the majority of users are utilizing the Mac GUI presumably, but the
    possibility of using it as Unix is always there.

    From the video, even OpenBSD isn't considered to be a UNIX anymore, so
    the designation is entirely useless.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    MacBook Air M4 Sky Blue
    iPhone 13
    Friendly Apple zealot
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