W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I switch
from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent
Thunderbird), and problem gone!
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent
Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent
Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And
Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case
the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal
strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times
it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird
does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal
to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to
restart TBird, some days over and over and over.
But other days are pretty OK. Weird.
Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted,
and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things.
On 2026-04-15 01:23, c186282 wrote:
On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent
Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And
Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case
the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal
strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times
it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird
does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal
to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to
restart TBird, some days over and over and over.
But other days are pretty OK. Weird.
Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted,
and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things.
In that situation, maybe you should use leafnode.
On 4/15/26 05:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-15 01:23, c186282 wrote:
On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent >>>>> Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And
Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case
the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal
strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times
it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird
does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal
to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to
restart TBird, some days over and over and over.
But other days are pretty OK. Weird.
Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted,
and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things.
In that situation, maybe you should use leafnode.
Nah ... don't want to set up a server, just
access someone else's server. The other Linux
newsreaders ... um ......
Next time my connection gets really bad, I had
this idea of just writing a few-line ping script
that independently helps keep the server connection
alive.
On 4/15/26 05:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-15 01:23, c186282 wrote:
On 4/14/26 11:41, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 wrote:
W dniu 14.04.2026 o 14:51, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze: >>>>>> W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I
switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent >>>>> Thunderbird), and problem gone!
What I mean was: I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com
problem. When I switch from Kubuntu 20.04 to other, but contemporary
Linux distro (with recent Thunderbird), then problem was gone! And
Thunderbird works as expected whole night and day.
I've been using another distro (MX) all along. In my case
the origin of the problem is a 5-G router and lousy signal
strength. It's all I can get in my area alas. So, at times
it drops out entirely for seconds, sometimes minutes. TBird
does not like this, maybe can't send a keep-alive signal
to the usenet provider ? Anyway, it drops out and I have to
restart TBird, some days over and over and over.
But other days are pretty OK. Weird.
Found ONE suggestion for a timeout that could be adjusted,
and did so, but it really didn't seem to help things.
In that situation, maybe you should use leafnode.
Nah ... don't want to set up a server, just
access someone else's server. The other Linux
newsreaders ... um ......
Next time my connection gets really bad, I had
this idea of just writing a few-line ping script
that independently helps keep the server connection
alive.
c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
Next time my connection gets really bad, I had
this idea of just writing a few-line ping script
that independently helps keep the server connection
alive.
tin times out the NNTP connection after a short period, and
automatically reconnects when something happens that needs the
connection. I'm on FIOS, so I've not had the actual network drop on
tin to know for sure, but the fact that it already handles "up" and
"down" of the TCP connection implies it would reconnect after a network outage glitch as well.
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that
expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall
apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your
entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user
feedback.
Computer Nerd Kev <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes
an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's,
that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the
very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less
on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them.
and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that
expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall
apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your
entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user
feedback.
Yep, almost /all/ written by "newer devs" that "have never known a time
with intermittent network connectivity". So naturally their code is
totally unprepared to handle the situation gracefully.
Computer Nerd Kev <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes
an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's,
that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the
very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less
on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them.
On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much
assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For
those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always
seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes
randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown
to them.
Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
Rich <[email protected]d> wrote:
c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
Next time my connection gets really bad, I had
this idea of just writing a few-line ping script
that independently helps keep the server connection
alive.
tin times out the NNTP connection after a short period, and
automatically reconnects when something happens that needs the
connection. I'm on FIOS, so I've not had the actual network drop on
tin to know for sure, but the fact that it already handles "up" and
"down" of the TCP connection implies it would reconnect after a network
outage glitch as well.
My damn internet is up and down all the time and Tin probably
handles it better than most programs, though there are some bugs.
There's one I really should report, but there's an unknown extra
detail required to reproduce it that I haven't spent the time
trying to pin down yet. It's surprising how many programs handle
internet connection drop-outs really badly though, and don't get
me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that expect
to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall apart
at the slightest network glitch (often taking your
entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user
feedback.
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much
assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For
those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always
seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes
randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown
to them.
Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem.
But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix,
I
predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but will
instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of
intermittent connections.
On 17/04/2026 12:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <[email protected]d> wrote:Unfortunately the TCP/IP protocol is written with intermittency
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes
an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's,
that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the
very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less
on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them.
specifically in mind
On 17/04/2026 12:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <[email protected]d> wrote:Unfortunately the TCP/IP protocol is written with intermittency
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much assumes
an always on internet connection that is never down. For those dev's,
that's the reality of the world as they have always seen it, and the
very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes randomly (much less
on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown to them.
specifically in mind
and don't get me started about modern Javascript-heavy webpages that
expect to be downloading and uploading things immediately so fall
apart at the slightest network glitch (often taking your
entered/uploaded information down with them) and provide zero user
feedback.
Yep, almost /all/ written by "newer devs" that "have never known a time
with intermittent network connectivity". So naturally their code is
totally unprepared to handle the situation gracefully.
Bollocks
On 4/17/26 17:06, Rich wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much
assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For
those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always
seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out sometimes
randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is completely unknown
to them.
Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem.
But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix,
Awwww ... straight to nasty .....
Well, we're glad SOMEBODY is perfect and
knows it all.
I
predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but will
instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of
intermittent connections.
I will not install leafnode or my own usenet server.
I will not switch to tin - looks like an 80s throwback,
but frankly Agent was a lot nicer.
On 2026-04-18 00:10, c186282 wrote:
On 4/17/26 17:06, Rich wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much
assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For
those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always
seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out
sometimes randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is
completely unknown to them.
Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem.
But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix,
Awwww ... straight to nasty .....
Well, we're glad SOMEBODY is perfect and
knows it all.
I predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but
will instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of
intermittent connections.
I will not install leafnode or my own usenet server.
I will not switch to tin - looks like an 80s throwback,
but frankly Agent was a lot nicer.
Suit yourself.
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-18 00:10, c186282 wrote:
On 4/17/26 17:06, Rich wrote:
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-17 13:44, Rich wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <[email protected]d> wrote:
It's surprising how many programs handle internet connection
drop-outs really badly though,
Yes. Pretty much /anything/ written by a developer who has been
developing only within the last 15-20 years or so pretty much
assumes an always on internet connection that is never down. For >>>>>> those dev's, that's the reality of the world as they have always
seen it, and the very idea of a connection that goes out
sometimes randomly (much less on purpose [i.e., dialup]) is
completely unknown to them.
Which is not the case of leafnode that I proposed.
Yes, leafnode is a solution to the OP's problem.
But since the OP typically prefers to complain instead of fix,
Awwww ... straight to nasty .....
Well, we're glad SOMEBODY is perfect and
knows it all.
I predict the OP will not install leafnode (nor switch to tin) but
will instead continue to complain about thunderbird's handling of
intermittent connections.
I will not install leafnode or my own usenet server.
I will not switch to tin - looks like an 80s throwback,
but frankly Agent was a lot nicer.
Suit yourself.
And c186282 confirms my prediction (at least the part that c186282
would not install leafnode nor use a different newsreader) as correct.
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 22:03, 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 pisze:
W dniu 14.03.2026 o 08:38, c186282 pisze:
This is TBird + GigaNews.
Has anyone come across an obscure setting that will
increase TBird's ability to tolerate short connection
outages ? Might be seconds, might be minutes.
I solve this issue! This was not news.giganews.com issue. When I switch
from Kubuntu 20.04 to other contemporary distro (with recent
Thunderbird), and problem gone!
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
On 20/04/2026 19:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Not if it is for your private use.
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
With just a few groups on it
On 20/04/2026 19:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Not if it is for your private use.
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
With just a few groups on it
On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
Nope. Totally wrong.
On 4/20/26 15:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/04/2026 19:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Not if it is for your private use.
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
With just a few groups on it
Kinda depends who's In Charge at the moment, doesn't it ? :-)
UK ... you'd probably be guilty of a 'hate crime' for
just what appears in cosl ... not to mention all of
the 'political' groups.
Sorry, not gonna go there.
BTW ... my issues with TBird have become much less of
late. Not sure why, but what is, is.
On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
Nope. Totally wrong.
Ummmm ... which country ?
The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
You do realise that leafnode only downloads the groups you tell it to download (i.e., the exact same ones you are subscribed to in
thunderbird). If you would be in danger because of leafnode, then you
are already in danger due to what thunderbird already downloads.
On 4/20/26 15:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/04/2026 19:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Not if it is for your private use.
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
With just a few groups on it
Kinda depends who's In Charge at the moment, doesn't it ? :-)
UK ... you'd probably be guilty of a 'hate crime' for
just what appears in cosl ... not to mention all of
the 'political' groups.
Sorry, not gonna go there.
BTW ... my issues with TBird have become much less of
late. Not sure why, but what is, is.
On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
Nope. Totally wrong.
Ummmm ... which country ?
The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:
On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
Nope. Totally wrong.
Ummmm ... which country ?
The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It is a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine to software inside your machine.
If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything else beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
Yiks! :-/
Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It is
a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine
to software inside your machine.
If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything else
beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
"Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> writes:
Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It is
a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine
to software inside your machine.
Of course it’s a server, don’t be silly.
If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything else
beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
That is wishful thinking.
No doubt it depends on jurisdiction. It is certainly not true within the
UK, where (for example) even caching a copy of CSAM could in principle
get you prosecuted if the police found out about it. On a private NNTP
server (whether it’s Leafnode or INN or a copy of CNews you found under
a rock), they’ll probably never know, unless you do something else that makes checking your hard drives seem worthwhile. But “you’ll probably
get away with” doesn’t make it legal.
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> writes:
Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It isOf course it’s a server, don’t be silly.
a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine
to software inside your machine.
If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computersThat is wishful thinking.
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything else
beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
No doubt it depends on jurisdiction. It is certainly not true within
the UK, where (for example) even caching a copy of CSAM could in
principle get you prosecuted if the police found out about it. On a
private NNTP server (whether it’s Leafnode or INN or a copy of CNews
you found under a rock), they’ll probably never know, unless you do
something else that makes checking your hard drives seem
worthwhile. But “you’ll probably get away with” doesn’t make it
legal.
The point is that running a local server and having e,g. kiddyporn on
it is no different from having a newsreader with it on.
So running a local server is just as legally dodgy as reading usenet
is in the first place.
On 21/04/2026 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same
On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
Nope. Totally wrong.
Ummmm ... which country ?
The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It is
a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine
to software inside your machine.
If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything else
beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
Yiks! :-/
applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server, pushing
your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The gummint
cant see it.
On 4/21/26 08:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/04/2026 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same
On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
Nope. Totally wrong.
Ummmm ... which country ?
The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It is
a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine
to software inside your machine.
If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything
else beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
Yiks! :-/
applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server,
pushing your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The
gummint cant see it.
Indirectly they can, because all that NNTP traffic
is being delivered to you. Now add the equiv of
a wokie Spanish Inquisition and .......
The Natural Philosopher <[email protected]d> writes:
Richard Kettlewell wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> writes:
Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It isOf course it’s a server, don’t be silly.
a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your machine
to software inside your machine.
If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computersThat is wishful thinking.
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything else >>>> beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
No doubt it depends on jurisdiction. It is certainly not true within
the UK, where (for example) even caching a copy of CSAM could in
principle get you prosecuted if the police found out about it. On a
private NNTP server (whether it’s Leafnode or INN or a copy of CNews
you found under a rock), they’ll probably never know, unless you do
something else that makes checking your hard drives seem
worthwhile. But “you’ll probably get away with” doesn’t make it
legal.
The point is that running a local server and having e,g. kiddyporn on
it is no different from having a newsreader with it on.
So running a local server is just as legally dodgy as reading usenet
is in the first place.
In black-and-white legal-or-not terms, agreed.
The practical risk may be a bit lower, depending on whether your client program caches articles - if not then there is less to find on your hard
disk if the police decide to take a look, There’d only be anything to
find if your client happens to have something illegal in its RAM at the moment they turn up, and if their timing is that good then it’s time to work out who is stitching you up.
Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same
applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server,
pushing your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The
gummint cant see it.
Indirectly they can, because all that NNTP traffic
is being delivered to you. Now add the equiv of
a wokie Spanish Inquisition and .......
On 22/04/2026 00:12, c186282 wrote:
Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same
applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server,
pushing your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The
gummint cant see it.
Indirectly they can, because all that NNTP traffic
is being delivered to you. Now add the equiv of
a wokie Spanish Inquisition and .......
But that's the same traffic you would see with a normal client.
Blimey Richard. Does tour usenet feed *ever* have anything of any
(legal) interest in it at all, apart from the odd raving loony you
killfiled years ago?
On 2026-04-22 01:12, c186282 wrote:
On 4/21/26 08:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/04/2026 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same
On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
Nope. Totally wrong.
Ummmm ... which country ?
The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It
is a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your
machine to software inside your machine.
If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything
else beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
Yiks! :-/
applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server,
pushing your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The
gummint cant see it.
Indirectly they can, because all that NNTP traffic
is being delivered to you. Now add the equiv of
a wokie Spanish Inquisition and .......
So what? Worst case, you only have to worry about what you write, same
as with Thunderbird. Same traffic.
On 4/22/26 01:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-22 01:12, c186282 wrote:
On 4/21/26 08:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/04/2026 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-21 03:09, c186282 wrote:Even if you put an nntp server inside your home network the same
On 4/20/26 18:27, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-20 20:57, c186282 wrote:
On 4/19/26 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 19/04/2026 21:48, c186282 wrote:
The solution to an intermittent news-server feed is
not to install your own news-server ... that's like
replacing an entire car engine because one spark
plug is balky.
Well in the days of UUCP that's what we did
And if I was 40 years younger .......
An NNTP server is hardly a complex brute
But you MAY be legally liable for whatever's on it.
Nope. Totally wrong.
Ummmm ... which country ?
The UK and some other EU countries, they hunt
for 'hate crime' witches with a passion ...
Again, leafnode is not a server, it doesn't open to the public. It
is a PROXY. A small caching server. It is only open inside your
machine to software inside your machine.
If you want, you can modify it so that it opens to other computers
inside your intranet. It is not designed to be open to internet.
So, by running and using leafnode you are not liable for anything
else beyond what you yourself write. You are not hosting anything.
Yiks! :-/
applies: it only serves your network. It is a push pull server,
pushing your posts and pulling everyone elses from the Internet. The
gummint cant see it.
Indirectly they can, because all that NNTP traffic
is being delivered to you. Now add the equiv of
a wokie Spanish Inquisition and .......
So what? Worst case, you only have to worry about what you write, same
as with Thunderbird. Same traffic.
I suggest you look into the history of puritan fanatics.
I worry most about our contributors from the UK ... any
hint of 'thought crime' and they JAIL you.
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