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On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 07:35:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Thu, 9 Jul 2026 09:16:25 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

We meet the agreed roles. We don't care about the spending targets, as
we (the nato) did not agree to those. The target was then calculated as
2.1%, and we did a huge effort to finally achieve that one.

(most of it not purchasing things from the USA, of course)

I just realized ... when Trump makes a big noise about NATO members
spending more on defence, he was likely expecting that a lot of that expenditure would go to benefit the US arms industry ...

You naughty country, you 🇪🇸, not living up to his expectations ...

You're a bit slow. Do you realize that advocating that Europe weans itself from cheap Russian gas has done wonders for US LNG sales? The LNG deal is interesting. Due to the Jones Act of the 1920's goods between US ports
have to be transported on US flagged vessels. US LNG tankers being sadly lacking, Texas LNG can't be shipped to Boston, for example, but can be
shipped to Hamburg. LNG is fungible but there was some embarrassment a few years back when it was realized the gas delivered to Boston was originally sourced from Rosprom.

It's all about the Franklins, baby. The rumor that Trump is dangling F-35s
in front of Erdogan has Israel's shorts in a bunch. Screw qualitative
military edge if there is money to be made.
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On 09/07/2026 20:11, rbowman wrote:

The rumor that Trump is dangling F-35s
in front of Erdogan has Israel's shorts in a bunch. Screw qualitative military edge if there is money to be made.

Is that to defend against the Islamic Republic of Japan?
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On 2026-07-10 06:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 09/07/2026 20:11, rbowman wrote:

The rumor that Trump is dangling F-35s
in front of Erdogan has Israel's shorts in a bunch. Screw qualitative
military edge if there is money to be made.

Is that to defend against the Islamic Republic of Japan?

Did Trump also get a nice revolver from Erdogan?
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2026 12:43:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2026-07-10 06:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 09/07/2026 20:11, rbowman wrote:

The rumor that Trump is dangling F-35s in front of Erdogan has
Israel's shorts in a bunch. Screw qualitative military edge if there
is money to be made.

Is that to defend against the Islamic Republic of Japan?

Did Trump also get a nice revolver from Erdogan?

Possibly. For a while I was receiving 'Guns & Ammo' magazine. The
subscription price is ridiculously low since it's a vehicle for
advertising. Almost every month they would have gushing articles about one
or two firearms produced in Turkey.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/the-state-of-the-turkish- firearmsindustry-44822467

What's interesting is the selection of the revolver, which is no longer manufactured. It was Turkey's first shot at a civilian firearm.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2026/mke-gumusay-357- magnum-revolver-erdogan-nato-gift

Spain tried the same strategy. Astra and Star produced firearms of
mediocre quality that were 'inspired by' existing designs to put it
politely. Both went bankrupt, combined to form ASTAR, which I think also
went under.

CETME has some nice products like the Model 58. That was designed by a
Third Reich weapons designer CETME hired after the war. Going full circle
the H&K G3 was based on the 58.


The Brazilian firm Taurus followed a similar path although they've proved innovative in their own right.
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On 2026-07-10, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:

What's interesting is the selection of the revolver, which is no longer manufactured. It was Turkey's first shot at a civilian firearm.

^^^^^^^^^^
<groan>
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On Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:23:45 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-07-10, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:

What's interesting is the selection of the revolver, which is no
longer manufactured. It was Turkey's first shot at a civilian firearm.

^^^^^^^^^^
<groan>

Pun not intended... The reaction of the various dignitaries when they
were gifted with a revolver was cute though. I don't think Turkey has
become as creative as Brazil's Taurus that seems to have started a fad for .410 shotgun shell revolvers.
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On 7/10/26 20:23, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-07-10, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:

What's interesting is the selection of the revolver, which is no longer
manufactured. It was Turkey's first shot at a civilian firearm.

^^^^^^^^^^
<groan>

The Turks were making guns nearly from when
gunpowder tech first arrived from China.

MAYbe he means a 'cartridge pocket revolver'
kinda specifically ?

A lot of those - Europe and beyond - were based
on the .38-S&W/200 cartridge. Adequate.

You can barely GET those in the USA anymore -
and the .38 Spl is a smaller bullet and, even
if the ctg is shortened, not really compatible.

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On Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:16:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:

manufactured. It was Turkey's first shot at a civilian firearm.

MAYbe he means a 'cartridge pocket revolver'
kinda specifically ?

https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2026/mke-gumusay-357- magnum-revolver-erdogan-nato-gift

"The Gümüşay .357 Magnum is a Turkish double-action/single-action, six-
shot revolver developed during the early 1990s by MKE in cooperation with Küssan A.Ş., recognized as the first domestically designed and
manufactured modern revolver produced in Türkiye."

Specifically a revolver. I don't know what sort of civilian firearms
Turkey may have manufactured prior to the '90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_military_equipment_of_Turkey_during_World_War_II

https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/ww1-ottoman-empire-guns.php

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/turkish-k-kale-m1938-mauser-rifle- history/467075

They did make some Mauser clones at least most of the military weapons
appear to have been sourced from Europe during the 20th century.
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On 7/11/26 03:09, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:16:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:

manufactured. It was Turkey's first shot at a civilian firearm.

MAYbe he means a 'cartridge pocket revolver'
kinda specifically ?

https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2026/mke-gumusay-357- magnum-revolver-erdogan-nato-gift

"The Gümüşay .357 Magnum is a Turkish double-action/single-action, six- shot revolver developed during the early 1990s by MKE in cooperation with Küssan A.Ş., recognized as the first domestically designed and
manufactured modern revolver produced in Türkiye."

The PHOTOS look like a typical DOUBLE-action
revolver in .357 ... kinda like the large-
frame S&Ws or Dan Wessons.

Specifically a revolver. I don't know what sort of civilian firearms
Turkey may have manufactured prior to the '90s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_military_equipment_of_Turkey_during_World_War_II

https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/ww1-ottoman-empire-guns.php

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/turkish-k-kale-m1938-mauser-rifle- history/467075

They did make some Mauser clones at least most of the military weapons
appear to have been sourced from Europe during the 20th century.

The Turks import, sometimes make, a large variety
of firearms. Quality is reportedly pretty good.

Now, the kinda FUNNY bit ... Erdogan gave all the
NATO people the revolvers - but a number of EU
countries are SO against people, including pols,
having guns that they'll probably be confiscated.
Power MUST be reserved for the almighty State only !
It's your civic DUTY to die horribly and leave it
to the State to maybe/possibly deal with it later.

Trump ... hope he CARRIES the damned thing because
the Iranians and their lackeys ARE out to get him.

As for .357 revolvers ... good choice. Plenty
strong enough but without the .44-Mag+ level
recoil. Rec a 4.5 to 5" barrel for improved
sighting/pointing and maybe 140gr JHPs instead
of the traditional 158gr bullets. Some of the
Ruger "Security Six" models are a great pattern.

.38 Spl +P ... kinda OK, but still kinda 19th
century. The old standard USA 'police revolvers'
by S&W in .38 really weren't so bad for defense.
This was before the "spray and pray" era.

UK ... the .38 S&W would also get it done, but
the really heavy bullets couldn't penetrate
very much. DO like the old break-top Webley
revolvers - ugly tough and functional.

Still love that scene from the first "Indiana"
movie where the Islamist assassin puts on a big
display with his sword ... then the protagonist
just produces his .455 Webley and plugs him :-)

Did encounter a .455 Webley revolver, WW-II
vintage. Alas someone had cut back the cylinder
so it'd take .45 ACP with moon clips or .45 Rim.
Not ideal. The ACP has more taper, thus the bullet
is kinda unstable on launch. Maybe OK for very
close range 'defense' but you're not gonna do
target work with the thing.

Yea yea ... in the 70s my hobby was guns - then
replaced by PCs and then expensive cameras and
motorcycles and electronics and ........ :-)

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On Sun, 12 Jul 2026 00:15:40 -0400, c186282 wrote:

The PHOTOS look like a typical DOUBLE-action revolver in .357 ...
kinda like the large- frame S&Ws or Dan Wessons.

Externally it's close to a Colt Python although the article said they redesigned the internals to be less costly than Colt's design. Taurus is
the one who cloned a S&W 66 although their current 66 Combat is DA only
with a 7 round cylinder. Both the Brazilians and the Turks became
innovative after they got their feet wet.

Yea yea ... in the 70s my hobby was guns - then replaced by PCs and
then expensive cameras and motorcycles and electronics and ........

Gotta be flexible. Eric Raymond still manages to mix guns and computers.


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On 12/07/2026 07:59, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jul 2026 00:15:40 -0400, c186282 wrote:

The PHOTOS look like a typical DOUBLE-action revolver in .357 ...
kinda like the large- frame S&Ws or Dan Wessons.

Externally it's close to a Colt Python although the article said they redesigned the internals to be less costly than Colt's design. Taurus is
the one who cloned a S&W 66 although their current 66 Combat is DA only
with a 7 round cylinder. Both the Brazilians and the Turks became
innovative after they got their feet wet.

Yea yea ... in the 70s my hobby was guns - then replaced by PCs and
then expensive cameras and motorcycles and electronics and ........

Gotta be flexible. Eric Raymond still manages to mix guns and computers.

Yeah. A tracked sentry gun with partial AI and FPV. Since the police
aren't interested...
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On 2026-07-12 06:15, c186282 wrote:

On 7/11/26 03:09, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2026 00:16:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:

  The Turks import, sometimes make, a large variety
  of firearms. Quality is reportedly pretty good.

  Now, the kinda FUNNY bit ... Erdogan gave all the
  NATO people the revolvers - but a number of EU
  countries are SO against people, including pols,
  having guns that they'll probably be confiscated.
  Power MUST be reserved for the almighty State only !
  It's your civic DUTY to die horribly and leave it
  to the State to maybe/possibly deal with it later.

You don't realize than owning, carrying, and using a gun in Turkey is
also prohibited. You need a special permit for each of those actions.

But Erdogan, because of his post, is exempted.
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ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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