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    From vallor@[email protected] to comp.misc on Sat Feb 7 03:55:57 2026
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    At Fri, 6 Feb 2026 06:14:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro
    <[email protected]d> wrote:

    On Mon, 5 Jan 2026 22:50:13 -0000 (UTC), I wrote:

    Jack Wallen is at it again <https://www.zdnet.com/article/freebsd-vs-slackware/>, still trying
    to claim that

    ... FreeBSD is incredibly stable. I would go so far as to say
    that it's the most stable operating system available.

    This in spite of the problems he had with the install before!

    Now, in a new article
    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/freebsd-linux-review/>, he’s changed
    his tune ever so slightly:

    Once you get FreeBSD up and running, you can absolutely rely on
    it.

    Getting it up and running is the issue.

    Kind of walking back his claims, without actually walking them back?

    He continues:

    However, upon glancing at the start menu, there were very few apps
    installed. So, I fired up KDE Discover, only to find out it
    wouldn't work. The reason for this is PackageKit, an open-source
    software suite that simplifies the installation and management of
    software packages on Linux systems. Simplify, being the operative
    word.

    Unfortunately, PackageKit continually crashed, so KDE Discover was
    useless, and all app installations had to be done via the command
    line. Given I'm very comfortable with the command line, that's
    perfectly fine.

    On a whim, I installed GNOME, but the GDM login manager wouldn't
    start, so I stuck with KDE Plasma.

    So he thought he had got it running, then tried to make a change, and
    failed.

    That “rock solid” claim is starting to sound more and more flimsy, don’t you think ...

    He also repeats the old myth

    Because FreeBSD is a descendant of the original AT&T UNIX code,
    you can bet it inherited the stability of its predecessor.

    Now he’s got a new analogy to try to prop his “stability” myth:

    Imagine two companies that make cars. One outsources all of its
    components from other manufacturers and assembles them in its
    warehouse. The second builds all of its components and also
    assembles them in its warehouse.

    As you might assume, the second manufacturer's cars most likely
    work and perform better than the first because it knows every part
    that goes into creating the car and can make all sorts of
    adjustments to improve every aspect of it. The first manufacturer,
    on the other hand, doesn't have nearly the control over how those
    components are built.

    Except that’s not how car manufacture works at all. *Everybody* buys
    in outsourced components for at least some parts of their vehicles.
    Are cars less reliable as a result? On the contrary, they are *more*
    reliable (and safer) now than they have ever been.

    A similar thing applies to Linux: the common distros were always, from
    the beginning, built up out of modular pieces from a great many
    sources. Over time, most of the rough edges in getting those pieces
    working together have been smoothed out, which is why you can have
    hundreds of Linux distros available, and interoperate so easily
    between them.

    By contrast, the BSDs have become too accustomed to having centralized control over everything. This is why there are so few BSD variants,
    yet there is so much fragmentation between them. Another result is, as
    they try to adopt components coming from the Linux world, they are
    unfamiliar with how modular, collaborative software development works,
    and the quality of the result suffers.

    Almost like a BSD "Cathedral" vs. the Linux distro "Bazaar"

    From The Jargon File (version 4.4.7, 29 Dec 2003) [jargon]:

    bazaar
    n.,adj.

    In 1997, after meditating on the success of {Linux} for three
    years, the Jargon File's own editor ESR wrote an analytical paper
    on hacker culture and development models titled The Cathedral and
    the Bazaar. The main argument of the paper was that {Brooks's
    Law} is not the whole story; given the right social machinery,
    debugging can be efficiently parallelized across large numbers of
    programmers. The title metaphor caught on (see also {cathedral}),
    and the style of development typical in the Linux community is
    now often referred to as the bazaar mode. Its characteristics
    include releasing code early and often, and actively seeking the
    largest possible pool of peer reviewers. After 1998, the evident
    success of this way of doing things became one of the strongest
    arguments for {open source}.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@[email protected] to comp.misc on Sat Feb 21 00:11:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    A new article from Jack Wallen, entitled “I found the best Linux
    server distros for your home lab” <https://www.zdnet.com/article/best-linux-server-distros-for-your-home-lab/>, recommends a few of the usual suspects for getting experience with
    servers: Ubuntu Server, Debian, Rocky (as the successor to late,
    lamented CentOS), plus Fedora Server, which was a new one to me.

    This quote is rather telling:

    The primary reason I would recommend Debian as your server OS is
    its legendary stability. There simply is not a more stable OS on
    the planet. Some people might argue that Slackware is more stable
    because of its Unix-like nature. I say this call is too close to
    make, but either OS is solid. However, Debian is easier to use.

    So, what happened to “rock-solid” FreeBSD? Remember this quote from
    his first article:

    Sure, I talk a lot about how reliable Debian is, but even Debian
    can't touch the stability of FreeBSD.

    I get the feeling he isn’t so keen on that any more ...
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  • From Jim Jackson@[email protected] to comp.misc on Sat Feb 21 19:09:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    On 2026-02-21, Lawrence D?Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
    A new article from Jack Wallen, entitled ???I found the best Linux
    server distros for your home lab???
    <https://www.zdnet.com/article/best-linux-server-distros-for-your-home-lab/>,
    recommends a few of the usual suspects for getting experience with
    servers: Ubuntu Server, Debian, Rocky (as the successor to late,
    lamented CentOS), plus Fedora Server, which was a new one to me.

    This quote is rather telling:

    The primary reason I would recommend Debian as your server OS is
    its legendary stability. There simply is not a more stable OS on
    the planet. Some people might argue that Slackware is more stable
    because of its Unix-like nature. I say this call is too close to
    make, but either OS is solid. However, Debian is easier to use.

    So, what happened to ???rock-solid??? FreeBSD? Remember this quote from
    his first article:

    Sure, I talk a lot about how reliable Debian is, but even Debian
    can't touch the stability of FreeBSD.

    I get the feeling he isn???t so keen on that any more ...

    Nah, he's just imitating AI - saying the first thing that come sinto his head. --- Synchronet 3.21b-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From kludge@[email protected] (Scott Dorsey) to comp.misc on Sat Feb 21 15:39:26 2026
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    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <[email protected]d> wrote:

    I get the feeling he isn't so keen on that any more ...

    Umm... it's an article about Linux distros. Why would anyone mention
    BSD?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@[email protected] to comp.misc on Sat Feb 21 21:31:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 15:39:26 -0500 (EST), Scott Dorsey wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Feb 2026 00:11:07 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

    I get the feeling he isn't so keen on that any more ...

    Umm... it's an article about Linux distros. Why would anyone mention
    BSD?

    After he was so keen on it before?
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