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Chris wrote:

Factcheck: stated claim is narrowly focused and doesn't acknowledge obvious strengths in Apple support and weaknesses in Android support.

The models to compare the $1000 iPhone to aren't the $35 Androids, Chris.

FACTS:

*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*(5 years) & it's less than Samsung & Google (7 years)
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Marion <[email protected]> wrote:

Chris wrote:

Factcheck: stated claim is narrowly focused and doesn't acknowledge obvious >> strengths in Apple support and weaknesses in Android support.

The models to compare the $1000 iPhone to aren't the $35 Androids, Chris.

Oh, Arlen! You've been doing well lately, but now regressed to your old
ways.

We've been through this. You're comparing your "free" entry level android
with a very much non-free premium iphone. We all know you got an almost
free iphone at around the same time so you also know you should be
comparing your $35 galaxy A-32 to your $58 (iirc?) iphone 12 (mini?).

FACTS:

*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*(5 years) & it's less than Samsung & Google (7 years)
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

Alslo FACTS:

Your galaxy is no longer supported by Samsung (since February) and that
iphone - if you still had it - is still fully supported by Apple. And
likely will be for another two years. Looks like if you wanted a phone with longterm support you returned the wrong one.

The link above puts it really well:
"Some iPhones have received security updates six or more years after the initial release, which is far more support than the vast majority of
Android devices receive."




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Chris wrote:

Marion <[email protected]> wrote:

Chris wrote:

Factcheck: stated claim is narrowly focused and doesn't acknowledge obvious >>> strengths in Apple support and weaknesses in Android support.

The models to compare the $1000 iPhone to aren't the $35 Androids, Chris.

Oh, Arlen! You've been doing well lately, but now regressed to your old
ways.

We've been through this. You're comparing your "free" entry level android with a very much non-free premium iphone. We all know you got an almost
free iphone at around the same time so you also know you should be
comparing your $35 galaxy A-32 to your $58 (iirc?) iphone 12 (mini?).

FACTS:

*Apple finally confirms how long it will support iPhones*
*(5 years) & it's less than Samsung & Google (7 years)
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

Alslo FACTS:

Your galaxy is no longer supported by Samsung (since February) and that iphone - if you still had it - is still fully supported by Apple. And
likely will be for another two years. Looks like if you wanted a phone with longterm support you returned the wrong one.

The link above puts it really well:
"Some iPhones have received security updates six or more years after the initial release, which is far more support than the vast majority of
Android devices receive."

This is where I have to shake my head and wonder about your education.

1. When I'm explaining that a $35 Android has more functionality than
a $1000 iPhone, we're talking about inherent ability to run programs

Android wins.

2. Then you say that your $1000 phone is supported longer than a $35
phone and I would agree, where I would logically compare the flagship
promised written full support with the iPhone promised support.

iPhone loses.

3. The Apple trolls can't separate the two completely different concepts,
so they claim they found a flaw in the logic because they can't
understand that concept of promised support for $1000 Android flagships
being 40% longer than promised support for the $1000 iPhone.

WTF is wrong with you Apple trolls.
Seriously.

Have you no education at all?
No semblance of logic?

You are so desperate to counter the logic that every Android has more functionality than any iPhone and yet the full support being 40% longer is
only for Android flagships - that you conflate the two in your head????

Who is that stupid?
Nobody, right?

Your brain can't separate that it's two completely DIFFERENT arguments!
a. The $35 phone runs more software functionality than a $1000 iPhone.
b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer.

This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education
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Marion, 2025-09-29 18:55:

[...]> a. The $35 phone runs more software functionality than a $1000
iPhone.

Depends on how you define "software functionality". iOS allows apps to
bind ports below 1024 without root access in contrast to Android. All
popular apps like messengers, banking, social media stuff, navigation,
media players, streaming, shopping etc. are usually available for iOS
and Android likewise since no big company can afford not to support both platforms. Recently Apple was also forced to allow third-party app
stores - it may not be as flexible as Android which allows even to
download malware from any website and install it, but it's a step to
more flexibility nevertheless.

Also a lot of software available for Android phones is just garbage.
Just counting the number of available apps in the respective app stores
makes little sense. Having millions of games or stupid apps which just
got created to make money with ads or "in-app purchases" is not an
advantage on it's own.

b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer.

Is it? Google provides 7 years of updates for the Pixel 10 Pro. Apple
supports iPhones also around 7 years - that's why you can still get
updates for the iPhone 11 Pro which was released 6 years ago in 2019.

Also see:

<https://endoflife.date/pixel>
<https://endoflife.date/iphone>
--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de
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On 30/09/2025 2:55 am, Marion wrote:

<Snip>

Your brain can't separate that it's two completely DIFFERENT arguments!
a. The $35 phone runs more software functionality than a $1000 iPhone.
b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer.

This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education

*IF* you are happy with the functionality of your $35 Android phone ....
GREAT ..... but why, oh, why do you have to go on and on and on about it??

If other people want to waste *THEIR* money, why worry about it??
--
Daniel70
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In article <10bgcls$3kjar$[email protected]>,
Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30/09/2025 2:55 am, Marion wrote:

<Snip>

Your brain can't separate that it's two completely DIFFERENT arguments!
a. The $35 phone runs more software functionality than a $1000 iPhone.
b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer.

This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education

*IF* you are happy with the functionality of your $35 Android phone .... GREAT ..... but why, oh, why do you have to go on and on and on about it??

If other people want to waste *THEIR* money, why worry about it??

Discussion for the sake of discussion is one thing but at a certain
point it feels like mindless trolling for the sake of getting a rise. I
worry that some people never progressed past the temptation to say "my
dad can beat up your dad!"
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Smithwicks wrote:

Your brain can't separate that it's two completely DIFFERENT arguments!
a. The $35 phone runs more software functionality than a $1000 iPhone.
b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer.

This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education >>>

*IF* you are happy with the functionality of your $35 Android phone ....
GREAT ..... but why, oh, why do you have to go on and on and on about it?? >>
If other people want to waste *THEIR* money, why worry about it??

Discussion for the sake of discussion is one thing but at a certain
point it feels like mindless trolling for the sake of getting a rise. I worry that some people never progressed past the temptation to say "my
dad can beat up your dad!"

The lesson here is not so much that Apple also lied about locking people
into the barbed-wire prison garden for their safety, as everyone who is intelligent is well aware Apple's safety is the worst in the industry.

What even some intelligent people don't realize, is that they lost all that security by buying an iPhone and yet they didn't gain any functionality.

Other than the ability to use privileged ports, nobody on Usenet on the
Apple groups in the decade I've been asking the question, can find even a single app functionality on iOS that isn't already long ago on Android.

Which is the point of the $35 phone comment on functionality.
It's not the phone. It's that iOS lacks basic functionality.

Every Android phone ever made has more app functionality than any iPhone. People who focus on the price are stupid. They can't get a simple point.

Stupid people can't understand what all intelligent people already know.
The iPhone uses a toy operating system which drastically limits
functionality, which Apple says is "for your safety".

Heh heh heh... and yet, the iPhone is toxic with zero-day bugs.
Because iOS has the worst bugfix support in the computer industry.

Intelligent people are different than ignorant people.

Ignorant people believe every single thing fed to them.
Fed to them by (rather brilliant) Apple marketing.

We're not even talking that current iPhones lack the hardware that most
Android phones have (such as the portable memory and aux jack hardware).

We're talking basic app functionality.
See my comment to Arno for just a sample of that missing functionality.

Only iOS lacks such basic functionality which Apple "says" is removed "for
your safety" and yet, the iPhone is no more safe than any Android phone.

Fancy that.
Apple lied.

It used to be Apple only told the truth in court.
But recent events show that Apple lies even in court.

Anyone who doesn't know that Apple's support is the worst in the industry,
has never read the news. Anyone who thinks Apple devices are more secure,
has been hiding under the same rock that I accused Arno of hiding under.

These are IMPORTANT facts to be aware of.
Which is why I'm teaching them to you.

Your choice whether you want to move from ignorant to informed.
Totally up to you.

I await your educated response.
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Arno Welzel wrote:

Depends on how you define "software functionality". iOS allows apps to
bind ports below 1024 without root access in contrast to Android.

Yup. The ability for apps to use privileged ports happens to be the only
app functionality anyone on the Apple newsgroups has *ever* been able to
find that isn't already on Android.

Meanwhile, Apple's iOS is the only consumer operating system that doesn't
have many things such as system-wide firewalls & graphical wi-fi debuggers.

popular apps like messengers, banking, social media stuff, navigation,
media players, streaming, shopping etc. are usually available for iOS
and Android likewise since no big company can afford not to support both platforms.

What's missing from iOS isn't the stuff that every person uses, Arno.
What's missing from iOS is the stuff that technical people use.

Such as torrenting apps, for one example.

More inexplicable is that iOS won't allow the Tor browser on its devices.
And spoofing your GPS location for another example of what's not allowed.

Which is kind of funny since of all Apple's lies about privacy, Apple won't let some of the most powerful methods of gaining privacy on iOS platforms.

Recently Apple was also forced to allow third-party app
stores - it may not be as flexible as Android which allows even to
download malware from any website and install it, but it's a step to
more flexibility nevertheless.

Apple fought that tooth and nail, which I'm sure you're aware of.

Apple is like Russian diplomats, whose real goal is obvious.
Apple's goal is simply to limit your options so that Apple makes money.

All the lies about privacy and security are nothing to Apple.
They're just ways to maintain their culpable deniability on the fact that everything they do to lock down the barbed-wire prison garden is for
profit.

Witness the fact that iOS is not safer than Android, for example.
The iOS users gave away everything for that - and yet it doesn't exist.

With all that in mind, the best insight I can offer the people on this newsgroup is the observation Apple "said" that they locked ppl into the barbed-wire prison garden for their safety. And yet, they gained no safety.

Why?
Apple lied.

They didn't lock ppl into the walled garden for their safety after all.
That is one of the insightful observations I can teach folks on this ng.

Also a lot of software available for Android phones is just garbage.
Just counting the number of available apps in the respective app stores
makes little sense.

Agree. But intelligent people have good aps, Arno.
I have great apps.

Skyica. Muntashirakon. NewPipe. Aurora. FairEmail. NetGuard. Nova.
Even intelligent people can't put any of that functionality on iOS.

I own iOS. I own Android. I use both every day.
There's no comparison.

At best, iOS is a toy OS.
It's fine for people who don't do anything.

Just like stock Android is fine for people who don't do anything.
If you don't do anything, both platforms do nothing just as well.

Having millions of games or stupid apps which just
got created to make money with ads or "in-app purchases" is not an
advantage on it's own.

Whom are you arguing with on that idiotic tack, Arno?
Nobody to my knowledge was claiming the straw horse you're beating.

Nobody claimed Android has more apps.

What I'm saying is iOS is brain dead compared on Android.
In many ways. Very many ways.

One of which is you can't install useful apps such as some I listed above,
and plenty more which are for people who "do something" with their devices.

If you do nothing with the device but play games, both do nothing the same.

b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer.

Is it? Google provides 7 years of updates for the Pixel 10 Pro. Apple supports iPhones also around 7 years - that's why you can still get
updates for the iPhone 11 Pro which was released 6 years ago in 2019.

Huh? Where have you been, Arno? Hiding under a rock?
Haven't you ever read the news?

*Apple finally confirms in writing how long it will fully support iPhones*
*(it's 2 years less than Samsung Galaxy S & Google flagship support!)*
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

<https://endoflife.date/pixel>
<https://endoflife.date/iphone>

You're joking right? Tell me you're joking when you posted the iPhone link. Apple has the *worst* hotfix support in the entire computer industry, Arno.

HINT: Apple has never in its entire history ever fully supported more than
a single release at a time. If your device isn't on the latest release, you may as well throw it over the next bridge, its' that toxic, Arno.

Nobody else has full hotfix support that crappy in the computer industry.
Just Apple.

Don't you ever wonder why iOS has so many zero-day holes, Arno?
Their full hotfix support is, by far, the worst in the computer industry.

Ars Technica - Apple clarifies security update policy: Only the latest OSes are fully patched

<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
"Only the latest OSes are fully patched."

HotHardware - Apple admits it only fully patches security flaws in its
latest OS releases
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
"Old versions of operating systems of Apple devices do not get complete security patches."

Screen Rant - Apple product security update lifespan explained
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
"Only the latest releases provide full protection from security vulnerabilities."
"Because of dependency on architecture and system changes to any current version, not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions"

Hell, Apple didn't even know how to build a hotfix until 2023 for God's
sake. No wonder the iPhone is rife with zero-day holes everywhere.

Apple Security Guide - Rapid Security Responses in Apple operating systems
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>
"New Rapid Security Responses are delivered only for the latest versions
of iOS, iPadOS, and macOS, starting with iOS 16.4.1, iPadOS 16.4.1, and
macOS 13.3.1."
"By default, your device automatically applies Rapid Security Responses;
if you turn them off, those fixes are included in the next full software update instead."

Apple Support - About Rapid Security Responses for iOS, iPadOS, and macOS
<https://support.apple.com/en-ph/guide/security/sec87fc038c2/web>
"RSRs enable rapid delivery of ongoing and regular security improvements
and can be removed or reapplied without reinstalling the entire OS."
"Rapid Security Responses deliver important security improvements between software updates"

Arno,
My advice is for you to get out from under that rock and read the news.
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On 2025-09-30 16:02:55 +0000, Smithwicks said:

In article <10bgcls$3kjar$[email protected]>,
Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30/09/2025 2:55 am, Marion wrote:

<Snip>

Your brain can't separate that it's two completely DIFFERENT arguments!
a. The $35 phone runs more software functionality than a $1000 iPhone.
b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer.

This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal education >>>

*IF* you are happy with the functionality of your $35 Android phone ....
GREAT ..... but why, oh, why do you have to go on and on and on about it?? >>
If other people want to waste *THEIR* money, why worry about it??

Discussion for the sake of discussion is one thing but at a certain
point it feels like mindless trolling for the sake of getting a rise. I
worry that some people never progressed past the temptation to say "my
dad can beat up your dad!"

Arlen's "dad" is apparently a slow piece of el cheapo Android crap with
five year old tech inside it and he's never even seen Apple's "dad".

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Your Name wrote on 9/30/2025 2:36 PM:

On 2025-09-30 16:02:55 +0000, Smithwicks said:

In article <10bgcls$3kjar$[email protected]>,
�Daniel70 <[email protected]> wrote:

On 30/09/2025 2:55 am, Marion wrote:

<Snip>

Your brain can't separate that it's two completely DIFFERENT arguments! >>>> a. The $35 phone runs more software functionality than a $1000 iPhone. >>>> b. The promised support for competing Android flagships is 40% longer. >>>>
This is (one reason) why I assess that Apple trolls lack formal
education

*IF* you are happy with the functionality of your $35 Android phone .... >>> GREAT ..... but why, oh, why do you have to go on and on and on about
it??

If other people want to waste *THEIR* money, why worry about it??

Discussion for the sake of discussion is one thing but at a certain
point it feels like mindless trolling for the sake of getting a rise. I
worry that some people never progressed past the temptation to say "my
dad can beat up your dad!"

Arlen's "dad" is apparently a slow piece of el cheapo Android crap with
five year old tech inside it and he's never even seen Apple's "dad".

That's why I'm waiting for Jolly Roger to weigh in on this.

He knows all kind of apple stuff. Real smart.


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