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I just found out about this link, which will help you find your Android
phone. how come this is not more widely publicized? Or is it new?

https://www.google.com/android/find/

I wrote to several people to tell them and two wrote back that they too
had not heeard of it!

Do all of you know aobut it already?


Of course, it's not perfectly accurate. Today it says my phone is on
the border between the townhouse next to me, and the one just beyond
it, and in the back yard! Pretty sure I didn't leave it their back
yard.

So it's off by 50 or 60 feet. But that's a lot better than nothin'.

It only works when your phone is on. Once you're connected you can
make your phone play a noise for 5 minutes, time enough to go through
your home.

You can "secure the device", that is, lock the phone (not sure if I can
lock mine since I never set that up.), and

You can delete everything on it. Pretty drastic. Nothing on my phone
is that important. For example, I don't have bill paying information on
my cell phone.


Around 2022, while I was visiting Athens, on a Friday night, my rental
car was broken into and the phone stolen, but as far as I could tell,
there were no consequences to me, other than the loss of the phone Stole
my passport and wallet too. I went to the embassy in Athens on Saturday
but it was closed. Went back on Monday and they replaced the passport
by about noon. They went in order of need. One family was supposed to
leave around 2PM and they got their passports by about 11sm. Certaintly
could never do this before the internet, or arpanet. My flight was
scheduled for 9PM. No one else I met seemed to be leaving that day.
At the airport, they noticed I had a different passport, but I told them
it had been stolen. They asked to see the police report, and I'd been to
the police, but they wanted me to come back when the report was ready. I
said the report wasn't ready yet and the airport people were satisfied.

Neither the debit card nor credit card were used to buy anything afaict,
not even to attempt to buy anything afaict, even though it took 36 hours
to cancel one (Their system was down and I couldn't get them by phone or
on the web, all day Saturday or Sunday morning. Not until around 2PM
Athens time.. Regional bank in Ohiio: Incredibly bad system design, and
I tried to tell the bank that later. They should have one phone number
and one webpage that do nothing but take stolen card reports, and which
is so simple there is never a need for it to be down or for it to be
updated. )

On Sunday, I was able to borrow about $200, so I had enough money for
the rest of the trip to Greece, Sunday and Monday. I paid him back via Paypal. once I was back with my laptop.

So maybe if you just don't remember what room your phone is in, the url
at the top will help you.

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micky wrote:

https://www.google.com/android/find/

Do all of you know aobut it already?

It has been discussed here, unfortunately (or fortunately depending on
your privacy point of view) it's opt-in, rather than opt-out like apple devices.

It only works when your phone is on.

Certain devices can send bluetooth location packets when they're "off".
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In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 4 Nov 2025 16:03:56 +0000, Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:

micky wrote:

https://www.google.com/android/find/

Do all of you know aobut it already?

It has been discussed here,

I used to read this ng, and others, every day. Not sure what happened,
but I don't anymore. I wonder what else I'm missing!

unfortunately (or fortunately depending on
your privacy point of view) it's opt-in, rather than opt-out like apple >devices.

Which means? I have to sign up for this? But I didn't afaik and it
worked. And for my two friends who afaik never signed up.

It only works when your phone is on.

Certain devices can send bluetooth location packets when they're "off".

Interesting. Sort of like pigeons, maybe.
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micky wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your privacy point of
view) it's opt-in, rather than opt-out like apple devices.

Which means? I have to sign up for this? But I didn't afaik and it
worked. And for my two friends who afaik never signed up.

Presumably your phone is/was connected to your home wifi when it
reported its location?

The wider "Find Hub" functionality (unhelpfully it's been renamed a
couple of times) relies on the missing device sending out background
location beacons, which someone else's phone can receive if they're
nearby, then their phone reports over mobile data to google where it was located when it saw your phone, hence your missing device is assumed to
be nearby the reporting phone.

Certain devices can send bluetooth location packets when they're "off".

Interesting. Sort of like pigeons, maybe.

When away from home it relies on other people's phones co-operating to
find your missing phone.

I know newer Pixels (mine included) have this special ability to prepare
the beacon data and send it even after normal power off

I think the chipset has an additional low-power processor that stays
active when the rest of the phone is off, and can repeatedly send out
the beacons, maybe even when the battery is considered "empty".

I suspect the settings for this will vary between google, samsung etc
phones.

on mine, there's a couple of places to look for settings

First within Settings > Security & Privacy > Device Finders > Find Hub = on/off

Second, within the Find Hub app > This Device > Settings > Find Your
Offline Devices

you should have four options
- Off
- Without network
- With network in busy places only
- With network everywhere

These settings are probably so far buried that most people don't know
they even exist ... and at various times google has remotely changed
that setting.

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On 04/11/2025 15:24, micky wrote:

I just found out about this link, which will help you find your Android >phone. how come this is not more widely publicized? Or is it new?

https://www.google.com/android/find/

I wrote to several people to tell them and two wrote back that they too
had not heeard of it!

Do all of you know aobut it already?

Of course, it's not perfectly accurate. Today it says my phone is on
the border between the townhouse next to me, and the one just beyond
it, and in the back yard! Pretty sure I didn't leave it their back
yard.

So it's off by 50 or 60 feet. But that's a lot better than nothin'.

It only works when your phone is on. Once you're connected you can
make your phone play a noise for 5 minutes, time enough to go through
your home.

You can "secure the device", that is, lock the phone (not sure if I can
lock mine since I never set that up.), and

You can delete everything on it. Pretty drastic. Nothing on my phone
is that important. For example, I don't have bill paying information on
my cell phone.

Around 2022, while I was visiting Athens, on a Friday night, my rental
car was broken into and the phone stolen, but as far as I could tell,
there were no consequences to me, other than the loss of the phone Stole
my passport and wallet too. I went to the embassy in Athens on Saturday
but it was closed. Went back on Monday and they replaced the passport
by about noon. They went in order of need. One family was supposed to
leave around 2PM and they got their passports by about 11sm. Certaintly
could never do this before the internet, or arpanet. My flight was
scheduled for 9PM. No one else I met seemed to be leaving that day.
At the airport, they noticed I had a different passport, but I told them
it had been stolen. They asked to see the police report, and I'd been to
the police, but they wanted me to come back when the report was ready. I
said the report wasn't ready yet and the airport people were satisfied.

Neither the debit card nor credit card were used to buy anything afaict,
not even to attempt to buy anything afaict, even though it took 36 hours
to cancel one (Their system was down and I couldn't get them by phone or
on the web, all day Saturday or Sunday morning. Not until around 2PM
Athens time.. Regional bank in Ohiio: Incredibly bad system design, and
I tried to tell the bank that later. They should have one phone number
and one webpage that do nothing but take stolen card reports, and which
is so simple there is never a need for it to be down or for it to be
updated. )

On Sunday, I was able to borrow about $200, so I had enough money for
the rest of the trip to Greece, Sunday and Monday. I paid him back via >Paypal. once I was back with my laptop.

So maybe if you just don't remember what room your phone is in, the url
at the top will help you.

After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo devices in
my bags. The network is nothing like as good as Apple's, but it can warn if
you're going out of range of your belongings. The network will likely work
badly in Europe where there is little balance in the privacy argument.
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In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 4 Nov 2025 21:55:35 -0000 (UTC), Jason H <[email protected]> wrote:

On 04/11/2025 15:24, micky wrote:

I just found out about this link, which will help you find your Android >>phone. how come this is not more widely publicized? Or is it new?

https://www.google.com/android/find/

I wrote to several people to tell them and two wrote back that they too
had not heeard of it!

Do all of you know aobut it already?


Of course, it's not perfectly accurate. Today it says my phone is on
the border between the townhouse next to me, and the one just beyond
it, and in the back yard! Pretty sure I didn't leave it their back
yard.

So it's off by 50 or 60 feet. But that's a lot better than nothin'.

It only works when your phone is on. Once you're connected you can
make your phone play a noise for 5 minutes, time enough to go through
your home.

You can "secure the device", that is, lock the phone (not sure if I can >>lock mine since I never set that up.), and

You can delete everything on it. Pretty drastic. Nothing on my phone
is that important. For example, I don't have bill paying information on
my cell phone.

Deleted story of having wallet, passport, and phone stolen. then I saw
it was relevant to your post.

So maybe if you just don't remember what room your phone is in, the url
at the top will help you.

After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo devices in
my bags. The network is nothing like as good as Apple's, but it can warn if you're going out of range of your belongings. The network will likely work badly in Europe where there is little balance in the privacy argument.

Never heard of these before either. Looks pretty good.
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micky wrote:

Jason H wrote:

After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo devices in >> my bags. The network is nothing like as good as Apple's, but it can warn if >> you're going out of range of your belongings. The network will likely work >> badly in Europe where there is little balance in the privacy argument.

Never heard of these before either. Looks pretty good.

If you're buying any, be aware that the older Chipolo tags are still on
sale, but aren't compatible with Find Hub, so avoid those. I believe
the ones with "Point" in their names are what you should buy?
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On 2025-11-05 08:52, Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

Jason H wrote:

After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo
devices in my bags. The network is nothing like as good as
Apple's, but it can warn if you're going out of range of your
belongings. The network will likely work badly in Europe where
there is little balance in the privacy argument.

I have one tag, "Tile Pro (2022)". It works well in Europe, but it needs
that passerby's have the app.

Never heard of these before either. Looks pretty good.

If you're buying any, be aware that the older Chipolo tags are still
on sale, but aren't compatible with Find Hub, so avoid those. I
believe the ones with "Point" in their names are what you should
buy?

The best would be devices that work without installing anything in the
phones, with both Apple and Android phones. There was talk of this, but
I don't know if they exist yet.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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On 05/11/2025 07:52, Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

Jason H wrote:

After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo devices in >>> my bags. The network is nothing like as good as Apple's, but it can warn if >>> you're going out of range of your belongings. The network will likely work >>> badly in Europe where there is little balance in the privacy argument.

Never heard of these before either. Looks pretty good.

If you're buying any, be aware that the older Chipolo tags are still on >sale, but aren't compatible with Find Hub, so avoid those. I believe
the ones with "Point" in their names are what you should buy?

I use the Chipolo Pop. Amazon are pretty good at specifying compatibility.
The Chipolo site has a holiday sale.
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Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2025-11-05 08:52, Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

Jason H wrote:

After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo
devices in my bags. The network is nothing like as good as
Apple's, but it can warn if you're going out of range of your
belongings. The network will likely work badly in Europe where
there is little balance in the privacy argument.

I have one tag, "Tile Pro (2022)". It works well in Europe, but it needs that passerby's have the app.

What I do is a bit awkward, but has the best chance of locating your
lost item. I use Apple AirTags and ask a trusted family member who has
an iPhone to add my AirTags to their list of findable devices.

iPhones do not need a seperate app and AFAIK their 'finding'
capability is on by default, i.e. they have to opt-out to not use it.
Because of this, Apple AirTags have a much higher chance of being detected/located than any of the compitition can (because, as you say,
they depend on a app being present on the device doing the detection/ location_reporting).

I tested this setup during our travels to/in Australia and for example
the iPhone family memnber could locate our AirTags, which were inside
our 4WD camper (small motorhome) on a campground with hardly anybody
there and no-one close by. But even there, there apparently was at least
one person with an iPhone which detected our AirTags and reported their location to our trusted family member. The reported location was
accurate within a few metres.

[...]

The best would be devices that work without installing anything in the phones, with both Apple and Android phones. There was talk of this, but
I don't know if they exist yet.

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On 2025-11-05 21:24, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2025-11-05 08:52, Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

Jason H wrote:

After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo
devices in my bags. The network is nothing like as good as
Apple's, but it can warn if you're going out of range of your
belongings. The network will likely work badly in Europe where
there is little balance in the privacy argument.

I have one tag, "Tile Pro (2022)". It works well in Europe, but it needs
that passerby's have the app.

What I do is a bit awkward, but has the best chance of locating your
lost item. I use Apple AirTags and ask a trusted family member who has
an iPhone to add my AirTags to their list of findable devices.

I don't know anybody with an iPhone.

iPhones do not need a seperate app and AFAIK their 'finding'
capability is on by default, i.e. they have to opt-out to not use it.
Because of this, Apple AirTags have a much higher chance of being detected/located than any of the compitition can (because, as you say,
they depend on a app being present on the device doing the detection/ location_reporting).

I tested this setup during our travels to/in Australia and for example
the iPhone family memnber could locate our AirTags, which were inside
our 4WD camper (small motorhome) on a campground with hardly anybody
there and no-one close by. But even there, there apparently was at least
one person with an iPhone which detected our AirTags and reported their location to our trusted family member. The reported location was
accurate within a few metres.

[...]

The best would be devices that work without installing anything in the
phones, with both Apple and Android phones. There was talk of this, but
I don't know if they exist yet.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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Frank Slootweg wrote:

What I do is a bit awkward, but has the best chance of locating your
lost item. I use Apple AirTags and ask a trusted family member who has
an iPhone to add my AirTags to their list of findable devices.

I don't think I could bring myself to do that

iPhones do not need a seperate app and AFAIK their 'finding'
capability is on by default, i.e. they have to opt-out to not use it.

That's how I understand it, but Google have flip-flopped about whether participating in Find Hub is enabled by default ... I suppose I could
test by factory resetting my backup phone (Pixel 5a)
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Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2025-11-05 08:52, Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

Jason H wrote:

After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo
devices in my bags. The network is nothing like as good as
Apple's, but it can warn if you're going out of range of your
belongings. The network will likely work badly in Europe where
there is little balance in the privacy argument.

I have one tag, "Tile Pro (2022)". It works well in Europe, but it needs that passerby's have the app.

Never heard of these before either. Looks pretty good.

If you're buying any, be aware that the older Chipolo tags are still
on sale, but aren't compatible with Find Hub, so avoid those. I
believe the ones with "Point" in their names are what you should
buy?

The best would be devices that work without installing anything in the phones, with both Apple and Android phones. There was talk of this, but
I don't know if they exist yet.

They do. There are a few on the market that work with both Apple's Find My
and Google's equivalent both via bluetooth. Pebblebee is one I'm currently considering instead of getting new Air Tags as it is rechargeable rather
then needing wasteful replacement batteries.

I believe Google's find my device requires specific versions of Android.

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Carlos E.R. wrote:

The best would be devices that work without installing anything in the phones, with both Apple and Android phones. There was talk of this, but
I don't know if they exist yet.

I think the extent to which Apple and Google co-operate is to detect and reveal when phones may be being "stalked" by a tracker, regardless of
the make of phone and tracker ... neither of them helps to locate lost
devices from the other.

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On 2025-11-06 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

The best would be devices that work without installing anything in the
phones, with both Apple and Android phones. There was talk of this,
but I don't know if they exist yet.

I think the extent to which Apple and Google co-operate is to detect and reveal when phones may be being "stalked" by a tracker, regardless of
the make of phone and tracker ... neither of them helps to locate lost devices from the other.

Ow :-(
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ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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On 2025-11-06 10:28, Chris wrote:

Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2025-11-05 08:52, Andy Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

The best would be devices that work without installing anything in the
phones, with both Apple and Android phones. There was talk of this, but
I don't know if they exist yet.

They do. There are a few on the market that work with both Apple's Find My and Google's equivalent both via bluetooth. Pebblebee is one I'm currently considering instead of getting new Air Tags as it is rechargeable rather
then needing wasteful replacement batteries.

I believe Google's find my device requires specific versions of Android.

I'm interested in devices that are configured using Android, because
that is what I have, and can be located with the default networks of
both Apple and Android. What wording should I search for? Not always clear.

Searching for Pebblebee at Amazon.


https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXYXV4F/ 72€

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXW2CKY/ 81€ Amazon option

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXY2MDN/ 62.25


A bit expensive (USA make?). Seems promising.

No opinions from Spain yet.


Says: «【Compatible with Google and Apple】Find your missing item with billions of devices on the Google Find Hub or Apple Find My Network. The Pebblebee clip works with the Google Find Hub app or Apple's “Find My App.” Please note that you can only use one network at a time. Google
and iOS certified.»


What means "Please note that you can only use one network at a time."? I
hope it means that you can register it on only one network.


The description doesn't say what Android version it needs, but one
comment says it is version 9.


Oh, they also have labels!

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0F8QK5CMX/ 76€

Doesn't say how many labels.
--
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ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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Chris wrote:

I believe Google's find my device requires specific versions of Android.

Nothing too crazy, Android 9 or newer
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Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

The best would be devices that work without installing anything in the phones, with both Apple and Android phones. There was talk of this, but
I don't know if they exist yet.

I think the extent to which Apple and Google co-operate is to detect and reveal when phones may be being "stalked" by a tracker, regardless of
the make of phone and tracker ... neither of them helps to locate lost devices from the other.

I think that's a seperate - and quite older - effort.

This is one of Carlos' earlier references [1] on the subject (I have not looked for newer ones):

<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/05/apple-google-partner-on-an-industry-specification-to-address-unwanted-tracking/>

BTW, there is already an 'Tracker Detect' app for Android, which
allows you to detect and locate close-by Apple AirTags, to (try to)
prevent unwanted tracking ('stalking'). I use it during our travels to
check that my AirTags (see my earlier response) are still working

[1] Message-ID: <[email protected]r>
Of Feb 2, 2024 in thread "Where is my luggage?" in this group.
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Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
[...]

I'm interested in devices that are configured using Android, because
that is what I have, and can be located with the default networks of
both Apple and Android. What wording should I search for? Not always clear.

The precise wording is indeed important, because for example in your
case, it's important that the tracker you buy can (also) be *dectected*
and (location) reported by an iPhone on Apple's Find My network and that
that location will reach you on Google's Find Hub network.

So that the device works on both networks is not enough, it must work *cross*-networks.

Searching for Pebblebee at Amazon.

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXYXV4F/ 72?

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXW2CKY/ 81? Amazon option

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXY2MDN/ 62.25

A bit expensive (USA make?). Seems promising.

No opinions from Spain yet.

Says: �?Compatible with Google and Apple?Find your missing item with billions of devices on the Google Find Hub or Apple Find My Network. The Pebblebee clip works with the Google Find Hub app or Apple's ?Find My
App.? Please note that you can only use one network at a time. Google
and iOS certified.�

What means "Please note that you can only use one network at a time."? I hope it means that you can register it on only one network.

Indeed, unclear/ambiguous wording. So more detail is needed.

[...]
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Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:

Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
[...]

I'm interested in devices that are configured using Android, because
that is what I have, and can be located with the default networks of
both Apple and Android. What wording should I search for? Not always clear.

The precise wording is indeed important, because for example in your
case, it's important that the tracker you buy can (also) be *dectected*
and (location) reported by an iPhone on Apple's Find My network and that
that location will reach you on Google's Find Hub network.

I don't think that is possible. It may not ever.

It requires google and apple to agree on a mechanism for sharing
information. I'm biased, but I'd feel queasy if google got access to Find
My data.

Currently, the two solutions are distinct.

So that the device works on both networks is not enough, it must work *cross*-networks.

That would be ideal for end-users. There are issues however.

Searching for Pebblebee at Amazon.

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXYXV4F/ 72?

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXW2CKY/ 81? Amazon option

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXY2MDN/ 62.25

A bit expensive (USA make?). Seems promising.

No opinions from Spain yet.

Says: «?Compatible with Google and Apple?Find your missing item with
billions of devices on the Google Find Hub or Apple Find My Network. The
Pebblebee clip works with the Google Find Hub app or Apple's ?Find My
App.? Please note that you can only use one network at a time. Google
and iOS certified.»

What means "Please note that you can only use one network at a time."? I
hope it means that you can register it on only one network.

Indeed, unclear/ambiguous wording. So more detail is needed.

Seems clear to me. You can only use the Apple system *or* the Google
system.
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Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:

Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
[...]

I'm interested in devices that are configured using Android, because
that is what I have, and can be located with the default networks of
both Apple and Android. What wording should I search for? Not always clear.

The precise wording is indeed important, because for example in your case, it's important that the tracker you buy can (also) be *dectected*
and (location) reported by an iPhone on Apple's Find My network and that that location will reach you on Google's Find Hub network.

I don't think that is possible. It may not ever.

It requires google and apple to agree on a mechanism for sharing
information. I'm biased, but I'd feel queasy if google got access to Find
My data.

I'm thinking of transfer, not sharing, i.e. kind of a gateway. iPhone
finds a device, Apple finds out it's not one of theirs, so it passes it
to Google and asks "Is this one of yours?", Google says "Yep, thanks!"
(or says "Nope, don't know that one!"). So Google only gets info about a
device which is not an Apple device and vice versa. Of course Google
could secretly keep info about an Apple device and vice versa, but
that's info about the device (i.e. serial number, location, type of
device?), but not any information about its user, etc..

I think things could work that way, but please feel free to punch
holes in my thinking.

Currently, the two solutions are distinct.

So that the device works on both networks is not enough, it must work *cross*-networks.

That would be ideal for end-users. There are issues however.

Searching for Pebblebee at Amazon.

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXYXV4F/ 72?

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXW2CKY/ 81? Amazon option

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXY2MDN/ 62.25

A bit expensive (USA make?). Seems promising.

No opinions from Spain yet.

Says: �?Compatible with Google and Apple?Find your missing item with
billions of devices on the Google Find Hub or Apple Find My Network. The >> Pebblebee clip works with the Google Find Hub app or Apple's ?Find My
App.? Please note that you can only use one network at a time. Google
and iOS certified.�

What means "Please note that you can only use one network at a time."? I >> hope it means that you can register it on only one network.

Indeed, unclear/ambiguous wording. So more detail is needed.

Seems clear to me. You can only use the Apple system *or* the Google
system.

You're probably right, unless/until someone provides proof that it's cross-network. Not holding my breath.
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Jason H <[email protected]> wrote:

On 04/11/2025 15:24, micky wrote:

I just found out about this link, which will help you find your Android
phone. how come this is not more widely publicized? Or is it new?

https://www.google.com/android/find/

I wrote to several people to tell them and two wrote back that they too
had not heeard of it!

Do all of you know aobut it already?


Of course, it's not perfectly accurate. Today it says my phone is on
the border between the townhouse next to me, and the one just beyond
it, and in the back yard! Pretty sure I didn't leave it their back
yard.

So it's off by 50 or 60 feet. But that's a lot better than nothin'.

It only works when your phone is on. Once you're connected you can
make your phone play a noise for 5 minutes, time enough to go through
your home.

You can "secure the device", that is, lock the phone (not sure if I can
lock mine since I never set that up.), and

You can delete everything on it. Pretty drastic. Nothing on my phone
is that important. For example, I don't have bill paying information on
my cell phone.


Around 2022, while I was visiting Athens, on a Friday night, my rental
car was broken into and the phone stolen, but as far as I could tell,
there were no consequences to me, other than the loss of the phone Stole
my passport and wallet too. I went to the embassy in Athens on Saturday
but it was closed. Went back on Monday and they replaced the passport
by about noon. They went in order of need. One family was supposed to
leave around 2PM and they got their passports by about 11sm. Certaintly
could never do this before the internet, or arpanet. My flight was
scheduled for 9PM. No one else I met seemed to be leaving that day.
At the airport, they noticed I had a different passport, but I told them
it had been stolen. They asked to see the police report, and I'd been to
the police, but they wanted me to come back when the report was ready. I
said the report wasn't ready yet and the airport people were satisfied.

Neither the debit card nor credit card were used to buy anything afaict,
not even to attempt to buy anything afaict, even though it took 36 hours
to cancel one (Their system was down and I couldn't get them by phone or
on the web, all day Saturday or Sunday morning. Not until around 2PM
Athens time.. Regional bank in Ohiio: Incredibly bad system design, and
I tried to tell the bank that later. They should have one phone number
and one webpage that do nothing but take stolen card reports, and which
is so simple there is never a need for it to be down or for it to be
updated. )

On Sunday, I was able to borrow about $200, so I had enough money for
the rest of the trip to Greece, Sunday and Monday. I paid him back via
Paypal. once I was back with my laptop.

So maybe if you just don't remember what room your phone is in, the url
at the top will help you.

After a recent loss at an airport, I've started putting Chipolo devices in
my bags. The network is nothing like as good as Apple's, but it can warn if you're going out of range of your belongings.

They can use the Apple Find My network so should be just as good.

The network will likely work
badly in Europe where there is little balance in the privacy argument.

No idea what you're trying to say here.



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On 2025-11-06 16:37, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
[...]

I'm interested in devices that are configured using Android, because
that is what I have, and can be located with the default networks of
both Apple and Android. What wording should I search for? Not always clear.

The precise wording is indeed important, because for example in your
case, it's important that the tracker you buy can (also) be *dectected*
and (location) reported by an iPhone on Apple's Find My network and that
that location will reach you on Google's Find Hub network.

So that the device works on both networks is not enough, it must work *cross*-networks.

Yes, across the networks is important for me.

I live in Europe, where the majority of phones are Android. The device
would be registered on an Android network. But it is very possible I
cross the pond again, and there most phones are Apple.

Searching for Pebblebee at Amazon.

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXYXV4F/ 72?

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXW2CKY/ 81? Amazon option

https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0DHXY2MDN/ 62.25

A bit expensive (USA make?). Seems promising.

No opinions from Spain yet.

Says: «?Compatible with Google and Apple?Find your missing item with
billions of devices on the Google Find Hub or Apple Find My Network. The
Pebblebee clip works with the Google Find Hub app or Apple's ?Find My
App.? Please note that you can only use one network at a time. Google
and iOS certified.»

What means "Please note that you can only use one network at a time."? I
hope it means that you can register it on only one network.

Indeed, unclear/ambiguous wording. So more detail is needed.

[...]

I tried to post the question at Amazon, but I only see the AI Rufus, not
the community. Rufus says that it will be found by both networks.

Ah, I see another slot to post the question, and then it says "no".

Ah, now I see the human community slot for questions. But the number of characters is too limited. [...] Done, question asked.

Si yo registro el dispositivo en mi teléfono Android, ¿será rastreado
tanto por la red Google Find Hub y Find My Network de Apple? Es imprescindible.

(If I register the device on my Android phone, will it be tracked by
both Google Find My Device and Apple's Find My Network? It's essential.)

I could not say that it is essential for those crossing the pond.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:

Chris <[email protected]> wrote:

Frank Slootweg <[email protected]d> wrote:

Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
[...]

I'm interested in devices that are configured using Android, because
that is what I have, and can be located with the default networks of
both Apple and Android. What wording should I search for? Not always clear.

The precise wording is indeed important, because for example in your
case, it's important that the tracker you buy can (also) be *dectected*
and (location) reported by an iPhone on Apple's Find My network and that >>> that location will reach you on Google's Find Hub network.

I don't think that is possible. It may not ever.

It requires google and apple to agree on a mechanism for sharing
information. I'm biased, but I'd feel queasy if google got access to Find
My data.

I'm thinking of transfer, not sharing, i.e. kind of a gateway. iPhone
finds a device, Apple finds out it's not one of theirs, so it passes it
to Google and asks "Is this one of yours?", Google says "Yep, thanks!"
(or says "Nope, don't know that one!"). So Google only gets info about a device which is not an Apple device and vice versa. Of course Google
could secretly keep info about an Apple device and vice versa, but
that's info about the device (i.e. serial number, location, type of
device?), but not any information about its user, etc..

I think things could work that way, but please feel free to punch
holes in my thinking.

It still means allowing your competitor to have access to packets of data
from almost all your customers. There's potentially more information either explicitly or implicitly within them and sharing that is risky.

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