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Do usb-C jacks work with prior plugs?

I'm visiting my brother and SIL and I have a charger plugged in for my
phone and my Bose Hearphones. They are old (Sold from 2017 - 2020) and
use the previous USB connection, before C, but I don't know the name,
mini, semi-mini???

They are not reversible.

My brother is ailing and they have a caretaker so he won't be alone when
SIL goes out, and he has a charger but sometimes he's been using my
charger, and that's fine, but just now, I saw that he'd plugged his
phone not into the USB-C cable that is there, but the other one for the bluetooth headphones/hearing aids. I'm in Peru and my Spanish isn't the
best so we barely talk to each other, but when I looked at it, he
unplugged it and plugged it back in and the screen lit up, like screens
do when chargers are connected. So I guess USB-C jacks accept some
prior plugs, right? That's pretty surprising.

(SCAII think it's micro-usb but it's shaped like the original part of
Micro-B, before it had 2 parts.

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micky, 2026-04-15 17:17:

Do usb-C jacks work with prior plugs?

No, you need an adapter. Usually there will only be adapters from USB-A
to USB-C.

I'm visiting my brother and SIL and I have a charger plugged in for my
phone and my Bose Hearphones. They are old (Sold from 2017 - 2020) and
use the previous USB connection, before C, but I don't know the name,
mini, semi-mini???

Most likley "Micro USB".

Also see here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#Types>

They are not reversible.

Yes, by design this is the case for *all* USB connectors before USB-C.
However, some companies created reversable plugs for USB A and C as well:

<https://www.tizi.tv/en/tizi-flip-micro-usb.html>

My brother is ailing and they have a caretaker so he won't be alone when
SIL goes out, and he has a charger but sometimes he's been using my
charger, and that's fine, but just now, I saw that he'd plugged his
phone not into the USB-C cable that is there, but the other one for the bluetooth headphones/hearing aids. I'm in Peru and my Spanish isn't the
best so we barely talk to each other, but when I looked at it, he
unplugged it and plugged it back in and the screen lit up, like screens
do when chargers are connected. So I guess USB-C jacks accept some
prior plugs, right? That's pretty surprising.

No. USB-C jacks only accept USB-C plugs.
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https://arnowelzel.de
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 11:17:37 -0400, micky <[email protected]> wrote:

Do usb-C jacks work with prior plugs?

I'm visiting my brother and SIL and I have a charger plugged in for my
phone and my Bose Hearphones. They are old (Sold from 2017 - 2020) and
use the previous USB connection, before C, but I don't know the name,
mini, semi-mini???

They are not reversible.

My brother is ailing and they have a caretaker so he won't be alone when
SIL goes out, and he has a charger but sometimes he's been using my
charger, and that's fine, but just now, I saw that he'd plugged his
phone not into the USB-C cable that is there, but the other one for the >bluetooth headphones/hearing aids. I'm in Peru and my Spanish isn't the
best so we barely talk to each other, but when I looked at it, he
unplugged it and plugged it back in and the screen lit up, like screens
do when chargers are connected. So I guess USB-C jacks accept some
prior plugs, right? That's pretty surprising.

(SCAII think it's micro-usb but it's shaped like the original part of >Micro-B, before it had 2 parts.

_____
/ \
|_____| )

Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro? Why isn't there a different
name for the one with a side-car?
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:29:57 +0200, Arno Welzel <[email protected]> wrote:

micky, 2026-04-15 17:17:

Do usb-C jacks work with prior plugs?

No, you need an adapter. Usually there will only be adapters from USB-A
to USB-C.

I'm visiting my brother and SIL and I have a charger plugged in for my
phone and my Bose Hearphones. They are old (Sold from 2017 - 2020) and
use the previous USB connection, before C, but I don't know the name,
mini, semi-mini???

Most likley "Micro USB".

Also see here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#Types>

They are not reversible.

Yes, by design this is the case for *all* USB connectors before USB-C. >However, some companies created reversable plugs for USB A and C as well:

<https://www.tizi.tv/en/tizi-flip-micro-usb.html>

My brother is ailing and they have a caretaker so he won't be alone when
SIL goes out, and he has a charger but sometimes he's been using my
charger, and that's fine, but just now, I saw that he'd plugged his
phone not into the USB-C cable that is there, but the other one for the
bluetooth headphones/hearing aids. I'm in Peru and my Spanish isn't the
best so we barely talk to each other, but when I looked at it, he
unplugged it and plugged it back in and the screen lit up, like screens
do when chargers are connected. So I guess USB-C jacks accept some
prior plugs, right? That's pretty surprising.

No. USB-C jacks only accept USB-C plugs.

So why did the phone's screen light up when he plugged it in, ;-) ?
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On 4/15/26 8:34 AM, micky wrote:

Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro? Why isn't there a different
name for the one with a side-car?

If by side-car you mean that lump on the cable that's likely a filter and
can often be found on several types of connector cables.

BTW I always hated plugs/sockets that only fit one way. My low tech solution
was to paint a white dot with fingernail polish on the matching side of
each to quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and squinting...


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micky wrote:

saw that he'd plugged his phone not into the USB-C cable that is
there, [...] the screen lit up, like screens do when chargers are
connected. So I guess USB-C jacks accept some prior plugs, right?

USB A/B/mini-B/micro-B/C plugs each only insert into the same named
socket, but you can get leads with different type of plugs on each end,
e.g. a USB-A to USB-C lead ... there's slightly more involved to
determine what speed things can charge at, and what speed they can
transfer data at.
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AJL wrote:

My low tech solution
was to paint a white dot with fingernail polish on the matching side of
each to quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-tech solution, 'cuz
I used whiteout instead of fingernail polish to accomplish the same goal!

:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure out which way. :)

Jokes aside...
a. USB-C is a symmetrical oval, roughly 8.4mm x 2.6mm.
b. Micro-USB is a "flat-bottomed" trapezoid, roughly 6.8mm x 1.8mm.

While a Micro-USB plug is smaller in width, it is thicker in certain spots
than the gap around the center tongue of a USB-C port. To get a Micro-USB
plug into a USB-C socket, you would likely have to apply enough force to
bend the internal pins or snap the "tongue" (the plastic tab inside the
phone's port).

If someone actually managed to jam it in there, could the phone "light up"? Yes, but usually only once. :)
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micky, 2026-04-15 17:38:

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 17:29:57 +0200, Arno Welzel <[email protected]> wrote:

[...]

No. USB-C jacks only accept USB-C plugs.

So why did the phone's screen light up when he plugged it in, ;-) ?

Because the phone used the same USB connection type. Technically there
is no other option. USB-C and Micro USB are completely different connectors.
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https://arnowelzel.de
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micky, 2026-04-15 17:34:

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 11:17:37 -0400, micky <[email protected]> wrote:

[...]

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Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro? Why isn't there a different
name for the one with a side-car?

Except for USB-C there is alwas "A" and "B". The "A" side is the host
and the "B" side is for the client:

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/USB_2.0_connectors.svg/1920px-USB_2.0_connectors.svg.png>

However usually you have cables using USB-A for the host side and
MiniUSB-B or MicroUSB-B for the client side.
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https://arnowelzel.de
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micky wrote:

(SCAII think it's micro-usb but it's shaped like the original part of
Micro-B, before it had 2 parts.

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/ \
|_____| )

Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro?

There is a relatively uncommon type of USB 3.0 micro-B plug, I only have
two or three of them.

<https://startech.com/en-us/cables/usb3aub15cms>


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Andy Burns, 2026-04-16 08:46:

micky wrote:

(SCAII think it's micro-usb but it's shaped like the original part of
Micro-B, before it had 2 parts.

_____
/ \
|_____| )

Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro?

There is a relatively uncommon type of USB 3.0 micro-B plug, I only have
two or three of them.

<https://startech.com/en-us/cables/usb3aub15cms>

It may be uncommon today. But before there was USB-C this was a quite
common connection for external 2.5" portable hard discs when you want to
have USB 3. I also have a bunch of these.
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https://arnowelzel.de
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On 4/15/26 10:42 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

AJL wrote:

My low tech solution
was to paint a white dot with fingernail polish on the matching side of
each to quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-tech solution, 'cuz
I used whiteout instead of fingernail polish to accomplish the same goal!

:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure out which way. :)

Fingernail polish does have one advantage over whiteout though. It comes in
various colors so that you could use a tablet's matching color to cover
it's camera lenses and plug its mike hole. Course that would likely only be
done by someone with severe paranoia. Me? Nah...


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Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:

micky wrote:

(SCAII think it's micro-usb but it's shaped like the original part of
Micro-B, before it had 2 parts.

_____
/ \
|_____| )

Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro?

There is a relatively uncommon type of USB 3.0 micro-B plug, I only have
two or three of them.

<https://startech.com/en-us/cables/usb3aub15cms>

Western Digital's WD Elements external HDDs (and other WD HDDs?) use
these (on the HDD side). I have three of them, two 1TB ones and a 2TB
one.

The connection is a bit akward and IME not very reliable, but it isn't
that bad either.

Probably more modern drives use a USB-C plug/receptacle.
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Frank Slootweg wrote:

<https://startech.com/en-us/cables/usb3aub15cms>

Western Digital's WD Elements external HDDs (and other WD HDDs?) use
these (on the HDD side). I have three of them, two 1TB ones and a 2TB
one.

The connection is a bit akward and IME not very reliable, but it isn't that bad either.

Yep, I have a western dig HDD, and a couple of generic 2.5" SATA housings.
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On 2026-04-16 12:58, AJL wrote:

On 4/15/26 10:42 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

AJL wrote:

My low tech solution
 was to paint a white dot with fingernail polish on the matching side of >>>  each to quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and
squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-tech solution,
'cuz
I used whiteout instead of fingernail polish to accomplish the same goal!

:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure out which way. :)

Yep. Three. Absolutely :-)

Fingernail polish does have one advantage over whiteout though. It comes in various colors so that you could use a tablet's matching color to cover
it's camera lenses and plug its mike hole. Course that would likely only be done by someone with severe paranoia. Me? Nah...

I don't have nail polish, and it is a bit expensive last time I looked
at it. Instead, I mark usb micro plugs painting in red the metal of the
flat side, using a Staedtler permanent Lumocolor felt pen (thin).
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 10:58:01 -0000 (UTC), AJL <[email protected]> wrote:

On 4/15/26 10:42 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

AJL wrote:

My low tech solution
was to paint a white dot with fingernail polish on the matching side of >>> each to quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-tech solution, 'cuz >>I used whiteout instead of fingernail polish to accomplish the same goal!

:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure out which way. :)

Fingernail polish does have one advantage over whiteout though. It comes in
various colors so that you could use a tablet's matching color to cover
it's camera lenses and plug its mike hole. Course that would likely only be done by someone with severe paranoia. Me? Nah...

I've used fingernail polish for some similar things, and lipstick where
I want to transfer color, to show what touches.

And you can buy them both at the dollar store.

(My whiteout dried up long ago.)

But no, I didn't mean a bump on the cable I meant something on the plug
itself that made it wider with another section, but yet they call them
both Micro-B. I'll try to post a picture later.
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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 08:31:53 +0200, Arno Welzel <[email protected]> wrote:

micky, 2026-04-15 17:34:

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 11:17:37 -0400, micky
<[email protected]> wrote:

[...]

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/ \
|_____| )

Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro? Why isn't there a different
name for the one with a side-car?

Except for USB-C there is alwas "A" and "B". The "A" side is the host
and the "B" side is for the client:

That makes sense,

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/USB_2.0_connectors.svg/1920px-USB_2.0_connectors.svg.png>

But this drawing doesn't show the other type of micro-B.

This one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USB_3.0_Micro-B_receptacle.svg
Here they have another name, .... superspeed, but the other picture I
saw showed both of them with the same name.

I've never heard superspeed used. Have any of you?

However usually you have cables using USB-A for the host side and
MiniUSB-B or MicroUSB-B for the client side.

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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 07:46:30 +0100, Andy Burns <[email protected]> wrote:

micky wrote:

(SCAII think it's micro-usb but it's shaped like the original part of
Micro-B, before it had 2 parts.

_____
/ \
|_____| )

Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro?

There is a relatively uncommon type of USB 3.0 micro-B plug, I only have
two or three of them.

<https://startech.com/en-us/cables/usb3aub15cms>

Yes, that's the one I mean. I don't mind there being two kinds, but I
wonder why they use the same name for both. they are certainly not interchangeable, at least not in both directions, so they should be
referred to by different names. (not like the TV show Newhardt, where
he introduced his brother Earl and his other brother Earl.)

I have one that came with iirc my WD Elements external drive.
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In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 11:17:37 -0400, micky <[email protected]> wrote:

Do usb-C jacks work with prior plugs?

I'm visiting my brother and SIL and I have a charger plugged in for my
phone and my Bose Hearphones. They are old (Sold from 2017 - 2020) and
use the previous USB connection, before C, but I don't know the name,
mini, semi-mini???

They are not reversible.

My brother is ailing and they have a caretaker so he won't be alone when
SIL goes out, and he has a charger but sometimes he's been using my
charger, and that's fine, but just now, I saw that he'd plugged his
phone not into the USB-C cable that is there, but the other one for the >bluetooth headphones/hearing aids. I'm in Peru and my Spanish isn't the
best so we barely talk to each other, but when I looked at it, he
unplugged it and plugged it back in and the screen lit up, like screens
do when chargers are connected. So I guess USB-C jacks accept some
prior plugs, right? That's pretty surprising.

The man is polite, and serves me a meal when meals are served, but he
doesn't answer, except maybe a short mumble, when I speak to him even in
proper spanish about something relevant.

But I warned him a 2nd time in stronger words that his phone is probably
not charging this way and he went back to his own charger. We had no electricity last night, just this apartment, so he's been charging his
phone all day, but soon he will leave the charger alone and I'll see
what plug the cord has. But even if it's micro-B, even if such phones
are still in use, that will still leave a problem, because earlier he
was using my charger and the cord with usb-c.

(SCAII think it's micro-usb but it's shaped like the original part of >Micro-B, before it had 2 parts.

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On 4/16/26 9:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-04-16 12:58, AJL wrote:

On 4/15/26 10:42 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

AJL wrote:

My low tech solution
 was to paint a white dot with fingernail polish on the matching side of >>>>  each to quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and
squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-tech solution,
'cuz
I used whiteout instead of fingernail polish to accomplish the same goal! >>>
:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure out which way. :)

Yep. Three. Absolutely :-)

Fingernail polish does have one advantage over whiteout though. It comes in >> various colors so that you could use a tablet's matching color to cover
it's camera lenses and plug its mike hole. Course that would likely only be >> done by someone with severe paranoia. Me? Nah...

I don't have nail polish, and it is a bit expensive last time I looked
at it.

Within a few minutes drive from my house there's a store named 'The Dollar
Store'. I bought my fingernail polish there several years ago for a (US)
dollar a bottle. They're still good. So not all that expensive here. The
black dots over the camera eyes and mike on this Fire tablet are from those
bottles. Wait. You didn't hear that cause I'm not that paranoid...am I???
8-O

Instead, I mark usb micro plugs painting in red the metal of the
flat side, using a Staedtler permanent Lumocolor felt pen (thin).

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On 4/16/26 12:56 PM, micky wrote:

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 10:58:01 -0000 (UTC), AJL ><[email protected]> wrote:

On 4/15/26 10:42 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

AJL wrote:

My low tech solution
was to paint a white dot with fingernail polish on the matching side of >>>> each to quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-tech solution, 'cuz >>>I used whiteout instead of fingernail polish to accomplish the same goal! >>>
:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure out which way. :)

Fingernail polish does have one advantage over whiteout though. It comes in >> various colors so that you could use a tablet's matching color to cover
it's camera lenses and plug its mike hole. Course that would likely only be >> done by someone with severe paranoia. Me? Nah...

I've used fingernail polish for some similar things, and lipstick where
I want to transfer color, to show what touches.

And you can buy them both at the dollar store.

Yup. That's where I got mine. Back when it was an actual 'dollar' store.
Nowadays my Dollar Store sells stuff for up to 5 dollars. Inflation
sucks...

(My whiteout dried up long ago.)

But no, I didn't mean a bump on the cable I meant something on the plug >itself that made it wider with another section, but yet they call them
both Micro-B. I'll try to post a picture later.

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On 2026-04-17 00:25, AJL wrote:

On 4/16/26 9:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-04-16 12:58, AJL wrote:

On 4/15/26 10:42 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

AJL wrote:

My low tech solution
 was to paint a white dot with fingernail polish on the matching
side of
 each to quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and
squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-tech
solution, 'cuz
I used whiteout instead of fingernail polish to accomplish the same
goal!

:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure out which
way. :)

Yep. Three. Absolutely :-)

Fingernail polish does have one advantage over whiteout though. It
comes in
various colors so that you could use a tablet's matching color to cover
it's camera lenses and plug its mike hole. Course that would likely
only be
done by someone with severe paranoia. Me? Nah...

I don't have nail polish, and it is a bit expensive last time I looked
at it.

Within a few minutes drive from my house there's a store named 'The Dollar Store'. I bought my fingernail polish there several years ago for a (US) dollar a bottle. They're still good. So not all that expensive here. The black dots over the camera eyes and mike on this Fire tablet are from those bottles. Wait. You didn't hear that cause I'm not that paranoid...am
I??? 8-O

Ok, I will consider the "1 €" place.

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found
them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I
wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides, which have
reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than Spaniards, and the tap
(Grohe) is German).

Instead, I mark usb micro plugs painting in red the metal of the flat
side, using a Staedtler permanent Lumocolor felt pen (thin).

--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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Carlos E.R. wrote:

Ok, I will consider the "1 €" place.

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found
them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides

Humbrol model enamels, #14 and #19?

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micky, 2026-04-16 22:06:

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 08:31:53 +0200, Arno Welzel <[email protected]> wrote:

[...]

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/USB_2.0_connectors.svg/1920px-USB_2.0_connectors.svg.png>

But this drawing doesn't show the other type of micro-B.

This one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USB_3.0_Micro-B_receptacle.svg
Here they have another name, .... superspeed, but the other picture I
saw showed both of them with the same name.

I've never heard superspeed used. Have any of you?

Yes, I have an older external 2.5" hard disc which uses this connection
on the client side and for the host side a USB-A plug with the
additional connections for USB 3:

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Connector_USB_3_IMGP6024_wp.jpg>
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Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de
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micky, 2026-04-16 22:17:

[...]

The man is polite, and serves me a meal when meals are served, but he
doesn't answer, except maybe a short mumble, when I speak to him even in proper spanish about something relevant.

But I warned him a 2nd time in stronger words that his phone is probably
not charging this way and he went back to his own charger. We had no electricity last night, just this apartment, so he's been charging his
phone all day, but soon he will leave the charger alone and I'll see
what plug the cord has. But even if it's micro-B, even if such phones
are still in use, that will still leave a problem, because earlier he
was using my charger and the cord with usb-c.

If connecting USB-C worked, than the phone *is* USB-C. It is
mechanically impossible to get a USB-C plug into a MicroUSB connector. A
USB-C plug is bigger than MicroUSB.

And USB-C is longer around than you might think. Samsung started using
USB-C connectors for their smartphones nearly more than 10 years ago and
the last time I have seen a smartphone with MicroUSB was at least 8
years ago.
--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de
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Arno Welzel wrote:

And USB-C is longer around than you might think. Samsung started using
USB-C connectors for their smartphones nearly more than 10 years ago

In 2015 I grey-imported [one of?] the first device to use USB-C, a Nokia
N1 tablet.

<https://web.archive.org/web/20141118103022/http://n1.nokia.com/>
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Arno Welzel wrote:

the host side a USB-A plug with the
additional connections for USB 3:

<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/Connector_USB_3_IMGP6024_wp.jpg>

I think a lot of people are unaware of those additional pins 'hidden'
within the (usually blue) USB3 A plug, the corresponding extra pins on
micro-B are the reason for what micky calls the 'side car'
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On 2026-04-17 09:29, Andy Burns wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:

Ok, I will consider the "1 €" place.

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found
them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I
wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides

Humbrol model enamels, #14 and #19?

OhhoOohh. I did not remember those. Designed for model making. I used a
lot of those when I was a teenager, with Airfix models.
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In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 16 Apr 2026 16:17:24 -0400, micky <[email protected]> wrote:

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 11:17:37 -0400, micky ><[email protected]> wrote:

Do usb-C jacks work with prior plugs?

I'm visiting my brother and SIL and I have a charger plugged in for my >>phone and my Bose Hearphones. They are old (Sold from 2017 - 2020) and
use the previous USB connection, before C, but I don't know the name,
mini, semi-mini???

They are not reversible.

My brother is ailing and they have a caretaker so he won't be alone when >>SIL goes out, and he has a charger but sometimes he's been using my >>charger, and that's fine, but just now, I saw that he'd plugged his
phone not into the USB-C cable that is there, but the other one for the >>bluetooth headphones/hearing aids. I'm in Peru and my Spanish isn't the >>best so we barely talk to each other, but when I looked at it, he
unplugged it and plugged it back in and the screen lit up, like screens
do when chargers are connected. So I guess USB-C jacks accept some
prior plugs, right? That's pretty surprising.

The man is polite, and serves me a meal when meals are served, but he
doesn't answer, except maybe a short mumble, when I speak to him even in >proper spanish about something relevant.

But I warned him a 2nd time in stronger words that his phone is probably
not charging this way and he went back to his own charger. We had no >electricity last night, just this apartment, so he's been charging his
phone all day, but soon he will leave the charger alone and I'll see
what plug the cord has.

It was sort of preumptuous of me to think he has a newish phone. If I
hadn't had several problems with my old one, and enough money to buy a
new one, I'd still be using my old one, which used Micro-B. Like his
does. He left for a long time, both the charger and the phone, since he couldn't charge it all night that night, and I unplugged it for a couple seconds and that's what he has. I didn't pay much attention when he was
using the usb-c cord. Just maybe it was for a different phone. Even
though I think he has only one, he may have been charging something for
my sister-in-law, who has multiples of everything.

I hope you've enjoyed what might have been an exercise in futility,
imposed admittedly, by me.

But even if it's micro-B, even if such phones
are still in use, that will still leave a problem, because earlier he
was using my charger and the cord with usb-c.

(SCAII think it's micro-usb but it's shaped like the original part of >>Micro-B, before it had 2 parts.

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In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2026-04-17 00:25, AJL wrote:

On 4/16/26 9:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-04-16 12:58, AJL wrote:

On 4/15/26 10:42 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

AJL wrote:

My low tech solution
�was to paint a white dot with fingernail polish on the matching
side of
�each to quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and
squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-tech
solution, 'cuz
I used whiteout instead of fingernail polish to accomplish the same >>>>> goal!

:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure out which
way. :)

Yep. Three. Absolutely :-)

Fingernail polish does have one advantage over whiteout though. It
comes in
various colors so that you could use a tablet's matching color to cover >>>> it's camera lenses and plug its mike hole. Course that would likely
only be
done by someone with severe paranoia. Me? Nah...

I don't have nail polish, and it is a bit expensive last time I looked
at it.

Within a few minutes drive from my house there's a store named 'The Dollar >> Store'. I bought my fingernail polish there several years ago for a (US)
dollar a bottle. They're still good. So not all that expensive here. The
black dots over the camera eyes and mike on this Fire tablet are from those >> bottles. Wait. You didn't hear that cause I'm not that paranoid...am
I??? 8-O

Ok, I will consider the "1 �" place.

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found
them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I >wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides, which have
reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than Spaniards, and the tap
(Grohe) is German).

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

I think where I'm staying right now has them backwards in the shower.

Instead, I mark usb micro plugs painting in red the metal of the flat
side, using a Staedtler permanent Lumocolor felt pen (thin).

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micky wrote:

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

This house has them reversed between kitchen and bathroom.

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On 2026-04-18 02:27, micky wrote:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2026-04-17 00:25, AJL wrote:

On 4/16/26 9:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-04-16 12:58, AJL wrote:

On 4/15/26 10:42 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

AJL wrote:

My low tech solution was to paint a white dot with
fingernail polish on the matching side of each to
quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and
squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-
tech solution, 'cuz I used whiteout instead of fingernail
polish to accomplish the same goal!

:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure
out which way. :)

Yep. Three. Absolutely :-)

Fingernail polish does have one advantage over whiteout
though. It comes in various colors so that you could use a
tablet's matching color to cover it's camera lenses and plug
its mike hole. Course that would likely only be done by
someone with severe paranoia. Me? Nah...

I don't have nail polish, and it is a bit expensive last time
I looked at it.

Within a few minutes drive from my house there's a store named
'The Dollar Store'. I bought my fingernail polish there several
years ago for a (US) dollar a bottle. They're still good. So not
all that expensive here. The black dots over the camera eyes and
mike on this Fire tablet are from those bottles. Wait. You
didn't hear that cause I'm not that paranoid...am I??? 8-O

Ok, I will consider the "1 €" place.

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon.
Found them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not
durable. I wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides,
which have reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than
Spaniards, and the tap (Grohe) is German).

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

Spain, since ever.

I think where I'm staying right now has them backwards in the
shower.

Instead, I mark usb micro plugs painting in red the metal of
the flat side, using a Staedtler permanent Lumocolor felt pen
(thin).

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On 15/04/2026 16:34, micky wrote:

but how can there be two kinds of Micro? Why isn't there a different
name for the one with a side-car?

The one with the "side car" is the USB3 version of micro USB.
You can plug a USB2 micro USB into the bigger side of a USB3 micro USB
socket and it works but with slower data transfer.
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Brian Gregory (in England).
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On 15/04/2026 16:17, micky wrote:

charger, and that's fine, but just now, I saw that he'd plugged his
phone not into the USB-C cable that is there, but the other one for the bluetooth headphones/hearing aids. I'm in Peru and my Spanish isn't the
best so we barely talk to each other, but when I looked at it, he
unplugged it and plugged it back in and the screen lit up, like screens
do when chargers are connected. So I guess USB-C jacks accept some
prior plugs, right? That's pretty surprising.

He probably caused a short circuit and that happened to wake up screen!?

Ideally you should tell him he needs to be careful, USB-C sockets can
easily be damaged (pins bent) by this kind of thing.
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In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 18 Apr 2026 13:29:49 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2026-04-18 02:27, micky wrote:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2026-04-17 00:25, AJL wrote:

On 4/16/26 9:52 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-04-16 12:58, AJL wrote:

On 4/15/26 10:42 AM, Maria Sophia wrote:

AJL wrote:

My low tech solution was to paint a white dot with
fingernail polish on the matching side of each to
quickly get it right. Avoided a lot of false tries and
squinting...

Heh heh heh... that's completely different from my low-
tech solution, 'cuz I used whiteout instead of fingernail
polish to accomplish the same goal!

:)

Before that, it took three tries, on average, to figure
out which way. :)

Yep. Three. Absolutely :-)

Fingernail polish does have one advantage over whiteout
though. It comes in various colors so that you could use a
tablet's matching color to cover it's camera lenses and plug
its mike hole. Course that would likely only be done by
someone with severe paranoia. Me? Nah...

I don't have nail polish, and it is a bit expensive last time
I looked at it.

Within a few minutes drive from my house there's a store named
'The Dollar Store'. I bought my fingernail polish there several
years ago for a (US) dollar a bottle. They're still good. So not
all that expensive here. The black dots over the camera eyes and
mike on this Fire tablet are from those bottles. Wait. You
didn't hear that cause I'm not that paranoid...am I??? 8-O

Ok, I will consider the "1 �" place.

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon.
Found them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not
durable. I wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides,
which have reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than
Spaniards, and the tap (Grohe) is German).

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

Spain, since ever.

That must be because in Spanish, you read from right to left, right?

BTW, I'm in Peru now, for 10 days. That's where I think one shower was backward. My brother is here for a couple months becaues his wife
thinks doctors and dentists are better (and cheaper, which they are) in
Peru (or Mexico, so why run all the way to Peru?) than they are in the
US**. And she told me my 86 yo brother was not doing well. The next
day after I bought my ticket, she said he's doing better. But that's
okay.

My Spanish speaking is rusty again, and restaurant menus use a lot of
words that google translate does not know. In one case it suggested a translation from an American Indian language, which it said was
"yellow". Maybe that's the name of a food. I didn't check if it was a
Indian group from Peru or Brazil (one was a Brazilian restaurant). Last
time it took 4 days for my Spanish to start getting better, but this
time I spend a lot of time at my brother's where English is spoken. And
I'm only here for 10 days, so it probably won't get much better by
Tuesday.


**She also wouldn't get vaccinated for Covid, said she told her grown
kids if they did she'd never talk to them again, thinks half of
Americans have dementia and think they are dogs, and assorted other
craziness.

I think where I'm staying right now has them backwards in the
shower.

Instead, I mark usb micro plugs painting in red the metal of
the flat side, using a Staedtler permanent Lumocolor felt pen
(thin).

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In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 18 Apr 2026 15:01:18 +0100, Brian
Gregory <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 15/04/2026 16:34, micky wrote:

but how can there be two kinds of Micro? Why isn't there a different
name for the one with a side-car?

The one with the "side car" is the USB3 version of micro USB.
You can plug a USB2 micro USB into the bigger side of a USB3 micro USB >socket and it works but with slower data transfer.

That makes sense. You're the first person to explain it.
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On 2026-04-19 05:49, micky wrote:

In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 18 Apr 2026 13:29:49 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2026-04-18 02:27, micky wrote:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

...

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

Spain, since ever.

That must be because in Spanish, you read from right to left, right?

BTW, I'm in Peru now, for 10 days. That's where I think one shower was backward. My brother is here for a couple months becaues his wife
thinks doctors and dentists are better (and cheaper, which they are) in
Peru (or Mexico, so why run all the way to Peru?) than they are in the
US**. And she told me my 86 yo brother was not doing well. The next
day after I bought my ticket, she said he's doing better. But that's
okay.

My Spanish speaking is rusty again, and restaurant menus use a lot of
words that google translate does not know. In one case it suggested a translation from an American Indian language, which it said was
"yellow". Maybe that's the name of a food. I didn't check if it was a Indian group from Peru or Brazil (one was a Brazilian restaurant). Last
time it took 4 days for my Spanish to start getting better, but this
time I spend a lot of time at my brother's where English is spoken. And
I'm only here for 10 days, so it probably won't get much better by
Tuesday.

I would probably also have trouble with food names in Peru. :-D

**She also wouldn't get vaccinated for Covid, said she told her grown
kids if they did she'd never talk to them again, thinks half of
Americans have dementia and think they are dogs, and assorted other craziness.

Argh.


Yesterday I watched (again) Bridge of Spies with Tom Hanks. This time I
noticed the populace wanting the spy killed, being angry with the
lawyer, who is only fulfilling the duty to provide a defence (I think it
is in your constitution), and then going to visit the judge at his home
to tell him in private not to write the death penalty, because it was
possible that a USA spy to be arrested on the Soviet Union, and they
would hope that they would treat him reasonably, and to have some one to exchange him with. Eventually, the judge sentences the spy to 30 years
of prison. The public is angry, they hate the lawyer, someone tries to
kill his family.

I was reminded of the Trump's populace.
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micky, 2026-04-18 02:27:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

[...]

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found
them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I
wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides, which have
reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than Spaniards, and the tap
(Grohe) is German).

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

In our place in Germany it is exactly this way - hot on the left and
cold on the right. Also see this product page - the blue dot is on the
right, and the red one on the left:

<https://www.saniweb.de/grohe-essence-new-s-grosse-1-loch-waschtischarmatur-ohne-ablaufgarnitur-chrom-34294001.html>

Also this setup is quite common if there are still separate taps in use:

<https://toplicht.imgbolt.de/media/79/bf/cd/1730922408/4652500.jpg?ts=1769882852>

So I believe this is quite common in Germany.
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https://arnowelzel.de
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micky, 2026-04-15 17:34:

[...]

Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro? Why isn't there a different
name for the one with a side-car?

Because *both* are MicroUSB, but one is USB 2 while the one with the
"side car" is USB 3. And yes, you can plug in a MicroUSB 2 plug into a
USB 3 socket.
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https://arnowelzel.de
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On 2026-04-19 17:39, Arno Welzel wrote:

micky, 2026-04-18 02:27:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

[...]

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found
them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I
wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides, which have
reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than Spaniards, and the tap
(Grohe) is German).

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

In our place in Germany it is exactly this way - hot on the left and
cold on the right. Also see this product page - the blue dot is on the
right, and the red one on the left:

<https://www.saniweb.de/grohe-essence-new-s-grosse-1-loch-waschtischarmatur-ohne-ablaufgarnitur-chrom-34294001.html>

Look at this one. Same brand.

<https://www.grohe.com/es-ES/producto/essence-essence-monomando-de-fregadero-1-2-high-gold-30270GN0>

Red is on the right.

The plumber asked me if I wanted to respect the colours, or the
tradition. I chose the tradition, I was not going to have the kitchen
reversed compared to the bathroom.

The plumber told us that Grohe puts the hot water reversed.
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Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2026-04-19 17:39, Arno Welzel wrote:

micky, 2026-04-18 02:27:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

[...]

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found >>> them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I >>> wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides, which have
reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than Spaniards, and the tap
(Grohe) is German).

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

In our place in Germany it is exactly this way - hot on the left and
cold on the right. Also see this product page - the blue dot is on the right, and the red one on the left:

<https://www.saniweb.de/grohe-essence-new-s-grosse-1-loch-waschtischarmatur-ohne-ablaufgarnitur-chrom-34294001.html>

Look at this one. Same brand.

<https://www.grohe.com/es-ES/producto/essence-essence-monomando-de-fregadero-1-2-high-gold-30270GN0>

Red is on the right.

Actually, red is towards the *back* and blue is towards the front. The
handle is on the side of the tap, not in front as in the other example.

We personally do not have such a tap, but some family has one and I
think the orientation is a safety aspect, i.e. pushing *away* from you
is red/hot. (Google seems to agree with me on this.) I think
'joystick'-like speed controls work the same way, i.e. away is
'dangerous'.

This another Grohe example in our country (The Netherlands). See the
fourth picture, which is very clear: push away for hot/red.

<https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/p/grohe-eurosmart-cosmopolitan-keukenkraan-hoge-draaibare-c-uitloop-chroom-32843002/9200000099683497/>

N.B. bol.com is the Dutch 'Amazon' avant la lettre.

The plumber asked me if I wanted to respect the colours, or the
tradition. I chose the tradition, I was not going to have the kitchen reversed compared to the bathroom.

The plumber told us that Grohe puts the hot water reversed.

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On 2026-04-19 21:43, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:

On 2026-04-19 17:39, Arno Welzel wrote:

micky, 2026-04-18 02:27:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

[...]

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found >>>>> them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I >>>>> wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides, which have
reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than Spaniards, and the tap >>>>> (Grohe) is German).

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

In our place in Germany it is exactly this way - hot on the left and
cold on the right. Also see this product page - the blue dot is on the
right, and the red one on the left:

<https://www.saniweb.de/grohe-essence-new-s-grosse-1-loch-waschtischarmatur-ohne-ablaufgarnitur-chrom-34294001.html>

Look at this one. Same brand.

<https://www.grohe.com/es-ES/producto/essence-essence-monomando-de-fregadero-1-2-high-gold-30270GN0>

Red is on the right.

Actually, red is towards the *back* and blue is towards the front. The handle is on the side of the tap, not in front as in the other example.

Yes.

Nevertheless, the plumber, two tenants, and myself interpret that as cold=left.

We personally do not have such a tap, but some family has one and I
think the orientation is a safety aspect, i.e. pushing *away* from you
is red/hot. (Google seems to agree with me on this.) I think
'joystick'-like speed controls work the same way, i.e. away is
'dangerous'.

Buff.

This another Grohe example in our country (The Netherlands). See the fourth picture, which is very clear: push away for hot/red.

<https://www.bol.com/nl/nl/p/grohe-eurosmart-cosmopolitan-keukenkraan-hoge-draaibare-c-uitloop-chroom-32843002/9200000099683497/>

Well, here we read it as "red=right". Reverse compared to what it
should. Stupid tap. So the plumber reverses the connections, and we
paint over the colours.

N.B. bol.com is the Dutch 'Amazon' avant la lettre.

The plumber asked me if I wanted to respect the colours, or the
tradition. I chose the tradition, I was not going to have the kitchen
reversed compared to the bathroom.

The plumber told us that Grohe puts the hot water reversed.

--
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ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 19 Apr 2026 17:41:41 +0200, Arno Welzel <[email protected]> wrote:

micky, 2026-04-15 17:34:

[...]

Definitely Micro-B
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg

but how can there be two kinds of Micro? Why isn't there a different
name for the one with a side-car?

Because *both* are MicroUSB, but one is USB 2 while the one with the
"side car" is USB 3. And yes, you can plug in a MicroUSB 2 plug into a
USB 3 socket.

I hadn't thought of that. And I lost the USB3 cord (but replaced it) so
it could have been very useful while I had none.
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Carlos E.R., 2026-04-19 21:02:

On 2026-04-19 17:39, Arno Welzel wrote:

micky, 2026-04-18 02:27:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

[...]

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found >>>> them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I >>>> wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides, which have
reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than Spaniards, and the tap
(Grohe) is German).

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

In our place in Germany it is exactly this way - hot on the left and
cold on the right. Also see this product page - the blue dot is on the
right, and the red one on the left:

<https://www.saniweb.de/grohe-essence-new-s-grosse-1-loch-waschtischarmatur-ohne-ablaufgarnitur-chrom-34294001.html>

Look at this one. Same brand.

<https://www.grohe.com/es-ES/producto/essence-essence-monomando-de-fregadero-1-2-high-gold-30270GN0>

But a different kind of tap. Look here - red on the left:

<https://www.grohe.com/es-ES/producto/costa-l-costa-l-bateria-de-fregadero-mural-1-2-high-chrome-31191001>

And here as well:

<https://www.grohe.com/es-ES/producto/bauedge-monomando-de-fregadero-1-2-medium-chrome-31693000>

Red is on the right.

If the lever would be moved to sit on top of a base and not on the side,
red would be on the left not the right. See the other examples from Spain.

And in fact I have a similar thing like in the kitchen - with the lever
on the right side, where red is to the back and blue to the front.
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On 2026-04-23 12:46, Arno Welzel wrote:

Carlos E.R., 2026-04-19 21:02:

On 2026-04-19 17:39, Arno Welzel wrote:

micky, 2026-04-18 02:27:

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 09:03:31 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:

[...]

One time I was looking for red polish and blue polish in Amazon. Found >>>>> them, but not cheap, so I desisted, also because it was not durable. I >>>>> wanted to paint a kitchen tap cold and hot water sides, which have
reversed marks (Germans do it in reverse than Spaniards, and the tap >>>>> (Grohe) is German).

So which of you has hot on the left and cold on the right.

In our place in Germany it is exactly this way - hot on the left and
cold on the right. Also see this product page - the blue dot is on the
right, and the red one on the left:

<https://www.saniweb.de/grohe-essence-new-s-grosse-1-loch-waschtischarmatur-ohne-ablaufgarnitur-chrom-34294001.html>

Look at this one. Same brand.

<https://www.grohe.com/es-ES/producto/essence-essence-monomando-de-fregadero-1-2-high-gold-30270GN0>

But a different kind of tap. Look here - red on the left:

<https://www.grohe.com/es-ES/producto/costa-l-costa-l-bateria-de-fregadero-mural-1-2-high-chrome-31191001>

And here as well:

<https://www.grohe.com/es-ES/producto/bauedge-monomando-de-fregadero-1-2-medium-chrome-31693000>

Red is on the right.

If the lever would be moved to sit on top of a base and not on the side,
red would be on the left not the right. See the other examples from Spain.

And in fact I have a similar thing like in the kitchen - with the lever
on the right side, where red is to the back and blue to the front.

They say that red is forward, away from you, and blue is towards you. I
don't see it that way, I see it left-blue, thus reversed. The plumber,
who is supposed to be an expert witness, saw blue-left. Three people
more (one was me), the same.

In fact, these fixtures can be rotated in the sink hole before
tightening the nut beneath, so that the handle faces right, front or
left. In fact, once I tried all three positions to find out which was
the most confortable in use. Front is uncomfortable, you risk wetting
your arm. Left is good for left handed people. But in all cases I see
the red dot on the right.

Maybe psychologists will explain that there are two types of people
depending on how we read those dots in kitchen taps. :-)
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