Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-26 17:18, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
Carlos E.R. <[email protected]d> wrote:
These are not prices, they are penalties!
Yes, these are high prices, but I assume you have a low tier contract >>> (or no contract at all (just PAYG)?). You probably don't spend Jörg's EU >>> 51/month, do you?
Oh, yes, I have a full contract.
miMovistar: Max (Fiber with Device) | Movistar Plus+
[fiber broadband and mobile and ... and ...]
Nowhere does it say the price, and I "updated" the contract a week
ago, so no invoice yet. I expect around a hundred euros.
We were implicitly talking about mobile-only single-device contracts,
so the price of the large bundle you have can not be compared to the
other contracts.
I can buy a package, but I don't understand what they say:
Yes, packages ('bundles') should give much lower rates per min/SMS/MB >>> and often such entitlements are/can_be bundled in the monthly charge.
And for a flexible contract/service, such bundles can often be enabled/
disabled on a monthly basis.
Yes, I mean an international package, but I did not locate info on it.
Still, very limited on USA/Canada
Perhaps another provider has 'cheap' international packages which you could use with an/their extra SIM.
For example one of the providers we use has a 10GB Canada and US bundle for EUR 25 and a 20GB one for EUR 35. Validity one month. Sadly this
provider has no cheap bundles for call/SMS from in Canada.
Bottom line is that you have to be somewhat creative and inquisitive
to (try to) get what best suits your needs.
For example, I as a Dutchman, used my Australian (Telstra) SIM in the
US for data, because that SIM/provider had better/cheaper data
bundles than my Dutch provider (Vodafone). So an Australian SIM in a
Dutch phone for use in the US!
[...]--
Note that Joerg's plan is not only unlimited ('flat') for
'everything' (I assume he means calls/SMS/data) but also for roaming in
"all of Europe, Turkey, Canada and the USA including overseas
territories", so he has quite a broad contract.
As to your plan, for which you didn't mention the cost, such a plan
would cost EUR 12/month (GBP 10.40)
On 2026-04-25 22:53, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 24 Apr 2026 12:06:44 +0200, J�rg Lorenz
<[email protected]> wrote:
Am 24.04.26 um 11:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
On 2026-04-24 03:13, J�rg Lorenz wrote:
On 23.04.26 22:37, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-23 22:01, J�rg Lorenz wrote:
On 23.04.26 09:54, micky wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=are+there+countries+where+tourists+cannot+buy+a+sim
Yes, either can't or very difficult. Mentions Peru, India, Japan (data
only), Pakistan, sometimes Brazil or South Africa
China, Iran, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan require mandatory, often >>>>>>>> extensive registration processes that can make obtaining a SIM as a >>>>>>>> tourist cumbersome
CAnada 6 years ago, haven't read about now. But I think a USA resident >>>>>>>> can use his USA sim as if they were 18 more states, right? And vice >>>>>>>> versa.
Why should I care to buy a foreign SIM? Nobody knows this number and >>>>>>> nowadays a lot of basic services (banking for instance) are tied to the >>>>>>> regular number at home.
Not a problem. That's why phones have dual SIMs.
The worst of all solutions. That is why Google and Apple do not sell >>>>> these cripples.
Which is why professionals don't buy them. They need two sims: one for >>>> personal use, another for the company. :-P
Perhaps in Spain but I doubt it strongly. Exactly this kind of use
strictly forbids Dual-SIM. Companies want to manage their own phones
themselves.
I'm working in highly security sensitive areas
Well, bully for you, but most people don't.
and I can tell you: An
absolute no go.
So what has where you work got to do with what other people do?
In the USA, many people work just as Carlos describes, with two sims,
one for work and one for non-work.
And your use of "lagging" to describe Spain is interesting. You love to
give zingers even when polite speech could make your point in a better
way. I suppose it's better that you get your aggression out here, rather
than beating your wife.
The Swiss love to ditch technologies that other countries keep using for >many years because they consider them obsolete. For instance, I believe
they no longer have FM radio (use DAB instead), or over the air digital
TV (you need to pay for Internet tv instead).
Thus they consider other countries "lagging" when they are just "normal".
In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 26 Apr 2026 14:08:34 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-25 22:53, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 24 Apr 2026 12:06:44 +0200, Jörg Lorenz >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
Am 24.04.26 um 11:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
On 2026-04-24 03:13, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 23.04.26 22:37, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2026-04-23 22:01, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
On 23.04.26 09:54, micky wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=are+there+countries+where+tourists+cannot+buy+a+sim
Yes, either can't or very difficult. Mentions Peru, India, Japan (data
only), Pakistan, sometimes Brazil or South Africa
China, Iran, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan require mandatory, often
extensive registration processes that can make obtaining a SIM as a >>>>>>>>> tourist cumbersome
CAnada 6 years ago, haven't read about now. But I think a USA resident
can use his USA sim as if they were 18 more states, right? And vice >>>>>>>>> versa.
Why should I care to buy a foreign SIM? Nobody knows this number and >>>>>>>> nowadays a lot of basic services (banking for instance) are tied to the
regular number at home.
Not a problem. That's why phones have dual SIMs.
The worst of all solutions. That is why Google and Apple do not sell >>>>>> these cripples.
Which is why professionals don't buy them. They need two sims: one for >>>>> personal use, another for the company. :-P
Perhaps in Spain but I doubt it strongly. Exactly this kind of use
strictly forbids Dual-SIM. Companies want to manage their own phones
themselves.
I'm working in highly security sensitive areas
Well, bully for you, but most people don't.
and I can tell you: An
absolute no go.
So what has where you work got to do with what other people do?
In the USA, many people work just as Carlos describes, with two sims,
one for work and one for non-work.
And your use of "lagging" to describe Spain is interesting. You love to >>> give zingers even when polite speech could make your point in a better
way. I suppose it's better that you get your aggression out here, rather >>> than beating your wife.
The Swiss love to ditch technologies that other countries keep using for
many years because they consider them obsolete. For instance, I believe
they no longer have FM radio (use DAB instead), or over the air digital
TV (you need to pay for Internet tv instead).
--
Thus they consider other countries "lagging" when they are just "normal".
All very interesting.
So that accounts for some of his obnoxiousness, but not all of it.
On 2026-04-28 05:48, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 26 Apr 2026 14:08:34 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-25 22:53, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 24 Apr 2026 12:06:44 +0200, J�rg Lorenz >>>>>......
I'm working in highly security sensitive areas
Well, bully for you, but most people don't.
and I can tell you: An
absolute no go.
So what has where you work got to do with what other people do?
In the USA, many people work just as Carlos describes, with two sims,
one for work and one for non-work.
And your use of "lagging" to describe Spain is interesting. You love to >>>> give zingers even when polite speech could make your point in a better >>>> way. I suppose it's better that you get your aggression out here, rather >>>> than beating your wife.
The Swiss love to ditch technologies that other countries keep using for >>> many years because they consider them obsolete. For instance, I believe
they no longer have FM radio (use DAB instead), or over the air digital
TV (you need to pay for Internet tv instead).
I forgot to mention that they say the reason is economics. Maintaining
TV over the air is not economical.
In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 28 Apr 2026 13:39:03 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-28 05:48, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 26 Apr 2026 14:08:34 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-25 22:53, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 24 Apr 2026 12:06:44 +0200, J�rg Lorenz >>>>>>......
I'm working in highly security sensitive areas
Well, bully for you, but most people don't.
and I can tell you: An
absolute no go.
So what has where you work got to do with what other people do?
In the USA, many people work just as Carlos describes, with two sims, >>>>> one for work and one for non-work.
And your use of "lagging" to describe Spain is interesting. You love to >>>>> give zingers even when polite speech could make your point in a better >>>>> way. I suppose it's better that you get your aggression out here, rather >>>>> than beating your wife.
The Swiss love to ditch technologies that other countries keep using for >>>> many years because they consider them obsolete. For instance, I believe >>>> they no longer have FM radio (use DAB instead), or over the air digital >>>> TV (you need to pay for Internet tv instead).
I forgot to mention that they say the reason is economics. Maintaining
TV over the air is not economical.
I remember when cable first got started in the US. I figured that since >people were paying, there would be no advertising Whoopee. But how
wrong I was.
So, if you can make people pay for cable, and sell advertising too,
that's going to bring in a lot more money than over the air.
But maybe it's the mountains in Switzerland that get in the way. And
they have to spend a lot of money for repeaters. Maryland has mountains
west of where most people live. The people there may live in
informational darkness afaik. In Baltimore, most of the TV stations
are on Television Hill. I like sightseeing but I've been afraid to go >there. The place is scary with its towers and fences. I might be
imprisoned and forced to be an extra in local tv productions. I'm not
taking any chances.
In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 28 Apr 2026 13:39:03 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-28 05:48, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 26 Apr 2026 14:08:34 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-25 22:53, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 24 Apr 2026 12:06:44 +0200, Jörg Lorenz >>>>>> ......
I'm working in highly security sensitive areas
Well, bully for you, but most people don't.
and I can tell you: An
absolute no go.
So what has where you work got to do with what other people do?
In the USA, many people work just as Carlos describes, with two sims, >>>>> one for work and one for non-work.
And your use of "lagging" to describe Spain is interesting. You love to >>>>> give zingers even when polite speech could make your point in a better >>>>> way. I suppose it's better that you get your aggression out here, rather >>>>> than beating your wife.
The Swiss love to ditch technologies that other countries keep using for >>>> many years because they consider them obsolete. For instance, I believe >>>> they no longer have FM radio (use DAB instead), or over the air digital >>>> TV (you need to pay for Internet tv instead).
I forgot to mention that they say the reason is economics. Maintaining
TV over the air is not economical.
I remember when cable first got started in the US. I figured that since people were paying, there would be no advertising Whoopee. But how
wrong I was.
So, if you can make people pay for cable, and sell advertising too,
that's going to bring in a lot more money than over the air.
But maybe it's the mountains in Switzerland that get in the way. And
they have to spend a lot of money for repeaters. Maryland has mountains
west of where most people live. The people there may live in
informational darkness afaik. In Baltimore, most of the TV stations
are on Television Hill. I like sightseeing but I've been afraid to go there. The place is scary with its towers and fences. I might be
imprisoned and forced to be an extra in local tv productions. I'm not
taking any chances.
In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 12 May 2026 12:37:09 -0400, micky <[email protected]> wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 28 Apr 2026 13:39:03 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-28 05:48, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Sun, 26 Apr 2026 14:08:34 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote:
On 2026-04-25 22:53, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 24 Apr 2026 12:06:44 +0200, Jörg Lorenz >>>>>>> ......
I'm working in highly security sensitive areas
Well, bully for you, but most people don't.
and I can tell you: An
absolute no go.
So what has where you work got to do with what other people do?
In the USA, many people work just as Carlos describes, with two sims, >>>>>> one for work and one for non-work.
And your use of "lagging" to describe Spain is interesting. You love to >>>>>> give zingers even when polite speech could make your point in a better >>>>>> way. I suppose it's better that you get your aggression out here, rather >>>>>> than beating your wife.
The Swiss love to ditch technologies that other countries keep using for >>>>> many years because they consider them obsolete. For instance, I believe >>>>> they no longer have FM radio (use DAB instead), or over the air digital >>>>> TV (you need to pay for Internet tv instead).
I forgot to mention that they say the reason is economics. Maintaining
TV over the air is not economical.
I remember when cable first got started in the US. I figured that since
people were paying, there would be no advertising Whoopee. But how
wrong I was.
So, if you can make people pay for cable, and sell advertising too,
that's going to bring in a lot more money than over the air.
But maybe it's the mountains in Switzerland that get in the way. And
they have to spend a lot of money for repeaters. Maryland has mountains
west of where most people live. The people there may live in
informational darkness afaik. In Baltimore, most of the TV stations
are on Television Hill. I like sightseeing but I've been afraid to go
there. The place is scary with its towers and fences. I might be
imprisoned and forced to be an extra in local tv productions. I'm not
taking any chances.
https://explore.baltimoreheritage.org/items/show/666
But neither WJZ nor WBAL could afford the expense of a new tower on
their own, especially when the stations sought to go as high as the law allowed. The solution was a partnership between the neighboring stations
to build one gigantic tower topped with two separate transmitter masts.
When Baltimore’s oldest TV station, WMAR, heard of this plan, station managers decided they wanted in. WMAR worried that if viewers could get
two stations by pointing their antennas in one direction they wouldn’t bother making adjustments to tune in to WMAR—especially if their
broadcast looked worse than the competition coming from the new tower. Baltimore’s three TV stations struck a unique deal to share one gigantic tower, a tower topped with three separate transmitter masts, a first at
the time.
In Baltimore, most of the TV stations
are on Television Hill.
On 5/12/26 9:37 AM, micky wrote:
In Baltimore, most of the TV stations
are on Television Hill.
In Phoenix they are on a 2K+ foot tall mountain. Great coverage. When my
cable goes out I can just plug in the rabbit ears to keep my TV addiction going...
I have a big antenna in the attic and an antenna amplifier and when
things are good, I can get all the Baltimore stations and all but some
minor DC stationns. Before that I had 2 amplified antennas in a row,
and each failed. This amp might have failed too, but I don't feel like >going into the attic to find out. So no DC stations now.
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