I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to
one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond -
well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed
reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another
has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended... maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like
this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions.
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old
problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with
problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on, if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current
issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to
one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move >> on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other
issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond -
well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed
reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or >> admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another
has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for >> the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are >> some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended...
maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all >> try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have >> others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I >> suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering >> you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like >> this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions.
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old
problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with
problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on, >> if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by >> this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in >> csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of
mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long memory!
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:55:12 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote <690c5460$4$22$[email protected]>:
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current >>> issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to >>> one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move
on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other
issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond -
well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed
reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or >>> admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another >>> has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for >>> the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are >>> some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended... >>> maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all >>> try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have >>> others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I >>> suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like
this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions.
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old >>> problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with
problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on, >>> if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by >>> this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in >>> csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of
mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long memory!
A good reminder of how long I have basically been begging some of the worst of
the worst trolls on Usenet for peace. Years later I can see where some rewording might be good... but the general ideas I stand behind.
On 06/11/2025 14:09, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:55:12 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<690c5460$4$22$[email protected]>:
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:A good reminder of how long I have basically been begging some of the worst of
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current >>>> issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to >>>> one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move
on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other >>>> issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond - >>>> well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed
reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or >>>> admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another >>>> has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for >>>> the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are >>>> some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended... >>>> maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all >>>> try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have
others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I
suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like
this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions. >>>>
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old >>>> problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with
problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on,
if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by
this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in
csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of
mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long memory! >>
the worst trolls on Usenet for peace. Years later I can see where some
rewording might be good... but the general ideas I stand behind.
I does seem totally daft to me!
I'd never even /heard/ of Usenet back then! ;-)
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:06:50 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <[email protected]>:
On 06/11/2025 14:09, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:55:12 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<690c5460$4$22$[email protected]>:
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current >>>>> issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to >>>>> one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move
on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other >>>>> issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond - >>>>> well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed >>>>> reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or
admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another >>>>> has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for
the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are
some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended... >>>>> maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all
try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have
others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I
suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like
this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions. >>>>>
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old >>>>> problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with >>>>> problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on,
if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by
this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in
csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of >>>>> mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long memory!
A good reminder of how long I have basically been begging some of the worst of
the worst trolls on Usenet for peace. Years later I can see where some
rewording might be good... but the general ideas I stand behind.
I does seem totally daft to me!
It is insane that the same trolls are still following me around failing to get
it. I wish they would. But does it give you some idea why I have little faith in Carroll ever growing up?
I'd never even /heard/ of Usenet back then! ;-)
I have been using it off and on since 1987 or so. Maybe 1988?
On 06/11/2025 22:26, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:06:50 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<[email protected]>:
On 06/11/2025 14:09, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:55:12 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<690c5460$4$22$[email protected]>:
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current >>>>>> issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to >>>>>> one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move
on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other >>>>>> issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond - >>>>>> well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed >>>>>> reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or
admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another
has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for
the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are
some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended... >>>>>> maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all
try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have
others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I
suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like
this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions. >>>>>>
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old
problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with >>>>>> problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on,
if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by
this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in
csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of >>>>>> mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long memory!
A good reminder of how long I have basically been begging some of the worst of
the worst trolls on Usenet for peace. Years later I can see where some >>>> rewording might be good... but the general ideas I stand behind.
I does seem totally daft to me!
It is insane that the same trolls are still following me around failing to get
it. I wish they would. But does it give you some idea why I have little faith
in Carroll ever growing up?
I hate to think how much time he has wasted here instead of sorting out
his REAL life.
I'd never even /heard/ of Usenet back then! ;-)
I have been using it off and on since 1987 or so. Maybe 1988?
So, being 'expert' at using Usenet, the obvious thing for you to have
done was change your user name to something that nobody could/would recognise.
You could, of course, STILL do that! ;-)
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:06:50 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote <[email protected]>:
On 06/11/2025 14:09, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:55:12 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<690c5460$4$22$[email protected]>:
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current >>>>> issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to >>>>> one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move
on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other >>>>> issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond - >>>>> well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed >>>>> reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or
admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another >>>>> has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for
the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are
some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended... >>>>> maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all
try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have
others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I
suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like
this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions. >>>>>
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old >>>>> problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with >>>>> problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on,
if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by
this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in
csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of >>>>> mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long memory!
A good reminder of how long I have basically been begging some of the worst of
the worst trolls on Usenet for peace. Years later I can see where some
rewording might be good... but the general ideas I stand behind.
I does seem totally daft to me!
It is insane that the same trolls are still following me around failing to get
it. I wish they would. But does it give you some idea why I have little faith in Carroll ever growing up?
I'd never even /heard/ of Usenet back then! ;-)
I have been using it off and on since 1987 or so. Maybe 1988?
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:06:50 PM MST, ""David B."" wroterookies
<[email protected]>:
On 06/11/2025 14:09, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:55:12 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<690c5460$4$22$[email protected]>:
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current >>>>>> issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to >>>>>> one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move
on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other >>>>>> issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond - >>>>>> well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed >>>>>> reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or
admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another
has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for
the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are
some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended... >>>>>> maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all
try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have
others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I
suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like
this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions. >>>>>>
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old
problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with >>>>>> problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on,
if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by
this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in
csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of >>>>>> mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long memory!
A good reminder of how long I have basically been begging some of the worst of
the worst trolls on Usenet for peace. Years later I can see where some >>>> rewording might be good... but the general ideas I stand behind.
I does seem totally daft to me!
It is insane that the same trolls are still following me around failing to get
it. I wish they would. But does it give you some idea why I have little faith
in Carroll ever growing up?
I'd never even /heard/ of Usenet back then! ;-)
I have been using it off and on since 1987 or so. Maybe 1988?
On Nov 7, 2025 at 8:37:02 AM MST, "%" wrote <[email protected]>:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:06:50 PM MST, ""David B."" wroterookies
<[email protected]>:
On 06/11/2025 14:09, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:55:12 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<690c5460$4$22$[email protected]>:
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current
issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to
one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move
on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other >>>>>>> issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond - >>>>>>> well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed >>>>>>> reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or
admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another
has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for
the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are
some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended...
maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all
try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have
others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I
suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like
this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions.
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old
problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with >>>>>>> problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on,
if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by
this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in
csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for. >>>>>>>
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of >>>>>>> mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long memory!
A good reminder of how long I have basically been begging some of the worst of
the worst trolls on Usenet for peace. Years later I can see where some >>>>> rewording might be good... but the general ideas I stand behind.
I does seem totally daft to me!
It is insane that the same trolls are still following me around failing to get
it. I wish they would. But does it give you some idea why I have little faith
in Carroll ever growing up?
I'd never even /heard/ of Usenet back then! ;-)
I have been using it off and on since 1987 or so. Maybe 1988?
When did you start posting?
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 7, 2025 at 8:37:02 AM MST, "%" wroteabout 8:30 this morning
<[email protected]>:
Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:06:50 PM MST, ""David B."" wroterookies
<[email protected]>:
On 06/11/2025 14:09, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Nov 6, 2025 at 12:55:12 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
<690c5460$4$22$[email protected]>:
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over current
issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open to
one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature to move
on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety or other
issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond -
well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed >>>>>>>> reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond or
admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or another
has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun, for
the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect there are
some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly offended...
maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can all
try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am, as have
others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights must go on, I
suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum like
this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such >>>>>>>> generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions.
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is >>>>>>>> counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old
problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with >>>>>>>> problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree on,
if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to live by
this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are people in
csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking for. >>>>>>>>
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of >>>>>>>> mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long memory!
A good reminder of how long I have basically been begging some of the worst of
the worst trolls on Usenet for peace. Years later I can see where some >>>>>> rewording might be good... but the general ideas I stand behind.
I does seem totally daft to me!
It is insane that the same trolls are still following me around failing to get
it. I wish they would. But does it give you some idea why I have little faith
in Carroll ever growing up?
I'd never even /heard/ of Usenet back then! ;-)
I have been using it off and on since 1987 or so. Maybe 1988?
When did you start posting?
On 06/11/2025 22:26, Brock McNuggets wrote:
I have been using it off and on since 1987 or so. Maybe 1988?
So, being 'expert' at using Usenet, the obvious thing for you to have
done was change your user name to something that nobody could/would recognise.
You could, of course, STILL do that! ;-)
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over
current issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open
to one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature
to move on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety
or other issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond -
well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed
reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond
or admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or
another has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun,
for the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect
there are some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly
offended... maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can
all try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am,
as have others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights
must go on, I suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is
bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum
like this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions.
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old
problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with
problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree
on, if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to
live by this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are
people in csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking
for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of
mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long
memory!
Just how dumb are you, David?
On 07/11/2025 21:23, Gremlin asked ...
Just how dumb are you, David?
I asked AI - it said to ignore you. :-P
"David B." <[email protected]> news:[email protected] Fri,
07 Nov 2025 00:04:08 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 06/11/2025 22:26, Brock McNuggets wrote:
[snip]
I have been using it off and on since 1987 or so. Maybe 1988?
So, being 'expert' at using Usenet, the obvious thing for you to have
done was change your user name to something that nobody could/would
recognise.
He's about as much of an expert with usenet and other forms of tech as you are,
David. :)
I have no doubt in my mind that you are well aware of this. As with Jenn and Eagle, you're using him. He's far to conceited to understand that about you. He thinks you are his friend. Is that why you aren't giving him the play by play of what I did to your other friends? You are well aware of what happened to both of them. Yet, you don't share that information with him here, and I seriously doubt, you have outside of here either.
When I've decided he's had enough rope and I begin the lesson, are you going to leave him to me entirely as you did Jenn and Eagle? You know what happened to them. So does Apd and FTR, Aardvark, etc. That's why when I tell snit what's up - they aren't saying a word. They already know what's going to happen to him. Same as you do. They didn't tell me she learned her lesson either. Or that Eagle did. They left me alone to show them some real old school skills. And show them both I did. I took great pleasure in teaching them. You do know that right?
You could, of course, STILL do that! ;-)
Jenn tried that too. How long do you think it took me to figure out she was posting as Muggles in other newsgroups? :) I left her alone because that's the
deal GM worked out for her. I held up my end and she did likewise. She had a complete change of heart concerning me. Why do you suppose that is, David? Be honest for once, if you can muster it. I know, I have very high expectations suggesting you do that - fully expecting you to fail. You are reliable in that
manner.
Snit is obviously, no match whatsoever to me. So why do you continue using him
in this manner? You know he's already a bitch anytime I want him to be. And that nobody is going to even suggest I back off once the fun starts. SC is going to have a completely different view of me when this goes down - Hopefully he understands that I only resort to such old school methods when it's more than deserved.
Carry on David. :)
"David B." <[email protected]d> news:690c5460$4$22$[email protected] Thu, 06 Nov 2025 07:55:12
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 15/05/2004 07:01, Snit wrote:
I think it has become clear that there will be no agreement over
current issues... whatever they are... in csma.
I suggest we will not be able to call a truce, though I would be open
to one. I suspect there are too many people in here who are not mature
to move on, and there are some issue, tied to possible personal safety
or other issues, that can not just be left behind.
At this point, I am not even sure what the battles are over? Sigmond -
well, it seems both sides agree that he is gone... though the claimed
reasons differ. Seems each side is daring the other to post as Sigmond
or admit they were Sigmond. Both sides have claimed that one ISP or
another has or will step in over the fighting if needed.
So what is point of all this trolling and flaming? Is it just in fun,
for the sake of some bored Useneters? Hard to say. While I suspect
there are some who are just having fun, there are others who are truly
offended... maybe even hurt. Hard to say...
I do not think the above will change...
I suggest we try to find a place we can agree. Something where we can
all try to be fair, honest, and honorable. I have claimed I already am,
as have others... seems this is a good place to start. If the fights
must go on, I suggest the following "rules" be enacted...
1) Be specific. Use the specific example of what it is you that is
bothering
you. Vague complaints are hard to agree on, especially in a forum
like this.
2) Don't generalize. Avoid words like "never" or "always." Such
generalizations are usually inaccurate and will heighten tensions.
3) Don't stockpile. Storing up lots of grievances over time is
counterproductive. It's almost impossible to deal with numerous old
problems for which interpretations may differ. Try to deal with
problems as they arise.
4) Agree to let the past go...
I suggest we ask people to sign this... with modifications we can agree
on, if needed. If someone else has agreed to it, then we should try to
live by this in our dealings with each other.
Are there other rules, that all can follow, that are needed? Are
people in csma able to be reasonable... that is really all I am asking
for.
I hope, sincerely, that people can accept these rules, or some set of
mutually agreed upon rules...
What do you say?
I'd say that was a very good idea, Snit. 🙂
It's a very old idea. An idea he didn't live upto on his end.
Had he meant a single word of it, even back then, he wouldn't be doing the shit he does towards myself, Pothead, or anyone else. He's still talking
shit about the both of us.
You do realize that when he 'brings his receipts' he's actually showing everyone who bothers to read them that he has serious issues with reading comprehension? He also demonstrates how dishonest he actually is, too. csma was tossing him out on his ass when he wrote that, btw. acw is already in
the process of doing so, and cola did once before. He's come back hoping to re-establish himself, but, he's already failing and being told to get fucked by multiple people now.
You recently stated that I would be chewed out there. You were implying that I was in over my head, right? Dishonest of you, considering what you know about me. Alas, you've never been an honest lad concerning me. I've walked the dog now on a couple of the regulars who knew some things, but, not
enough to compete, let alone over take me. Or otherwise, put me in my place. Alan should have just spent the fifteen minutes watching the videos I shared. But, like some others who don't read clues well, he wanted to dance with me instead. Everyone can see how that worked out for him. I'm still waiting on
a reply from him after I dumbed the video content down. I suspect he
realizes he's in way over his head with me now. Didn't you know before I shared the information that the hard drive was soldered onto the mainboard and isn't what you'd expect to see in the physical sense for an SSD based hard drive? The chips aren't sitting on their own mini board with the connector soldered in place. That's not Apples style, after all. And it is a power issue, a power circuit design issue with those machines which
destroyed the hard drive. Paul has a shitload of knowledge - quite the fellow. I respect him and the knowledge he has. However, I'm no spring chicken myself and I do have extensive experience looking at things from the internal component aspect - not the user interface or the outside design. I can tell a bad circuit design from a good one. And it is the power supply section responsible for that drives demise. As the video goes into and confirms. You already stated that you've known about Louise Rossmann for ten tears or so and that you've watched several of his videos. So, does it piss you off much that he and I agree on what Apple did with the internals of
that machine?
I know you worship the ground Apples people walks on, but, if you actually knew much about them - you would have known they've never really been consumer friendly. In reality, the founders are just as much dishonest assholes as Bill Gates was when he started Microsoft. Did you know that weasel essentially ripped off an OS he didn't even write for pennies? He
made a good chunk of change too, bullshitting the other guys who wanted it when he didn't actually have anything to give them when he made the deal
with them. Did you know that, David? I did. Anyone who's been around these machines for as long as me or longer (some on the cola newsgroup have some years on me) all know this about him. And about Apple. Don't be easily
fooled into thinking otherwise.
Apple has heard from many of us in the trenches who repair their equipment about the issues they have - they really don't care. Our suggestions are consumer friendly. I believe in and support the right to repair. Apple doesn't support it anymore so than John Deere does. They don't want it to become law here. They fight against it. With essentially the same bullshit reasons various printer makers do as they try to justify the chips they include on the ink cartridges. Those chips and what they do aren't consumer friendly.
Did you know that power tool makers like Milwaukee and Dewalt have DRM on their battery packs too? It's to evade supporting the warranty concerning
the batteries if you try to get one replaced because it fails prematurely. They didn't make balance charging circuitry and include it on the packs, but they sure did include electronics that can give them an excuse not to
replace it for you for free. You do understand the battery packs (except for some of dewalts power stack versions - the 2ah has a single pack much like what you'd find in a modern call phone or tablet. The larger ones have
either a large cell pack or a couple of them together - again with no balancing) has multiple cells inside? Those cells aren't charged in a balancing manner. One cell could be a volt or more over or under the one right beside it. They could have included the necessary circuitry to ensure balancing - but instead, opted to include circuitry to fuck you the consumer out of that warranty whenever possible. Oh, and to try and stop you from using non dewault/milwaukee chargers. I rebuid battery packs too on occasion, David. The manufacturers pull all sorts of shady shit to try and stop me and others from doing so. Even when we provide better cells as replacements.
They don't care about the ewaste they contribute to - they just want you to pay top dollar for a new battery pack instead. And many just like you and Snit hand over your cc card without so much as questioning it.
Hell, you reached out to me via email under completely false pretenses. What on earth made you ever think you were going to be able to snow me in the first place? Were you also lying about doing your research on me beforehand? I already know what a couple of people you asked about me told you. Yet, you ignored them and tried it anyway. Just how dumb are you, David?
It's amusing that you support what Snit writes about me AS you acknowledge how helpful I've been in assisting you with your issues. Are you familiar with hyprocisy, David? I ask because you more than slightly support it.
This post is made just to let folk know that Usenet has a VERY long
memory!
Most of us are well aware of that, David. Why would you bring up an old as fuck post from snit that we can all see for ourselves he didn't live upto?
Is this your way of trying to get the heat off of him? It won't work if that's your game plan. I suppose it's a coincidence that you did this after
I provided irrefutable evidence that he did sock up as Sigmond, right? I notice how quite you got after Snit responded and evaded your query to him. You know for a fact he lied to you about the whole thing. Yet, you gave him
a free pass anyway. Hypocrite you are, David. Don't assume others don't see you and snit for exactly what the two of you are.
At least I am not a white supremacist: <683367db$9$10360$[email protected]> <6831d3ac$0$16$[email protected]> <688ff1ad$0$26$[email protected]> <6895600b$0$10360$[email protected]>
It sounds like there's a lot of history and strong feelings in play
here. From what you've written, it seems you take satisfaction in
teaching lessons� online
Dustin wrote:
"Jenn"<[email protected]> wrote in news:idhkg4$lvv$1
@news.eternal-september.org:
<shrugs> my printer, evidently, doesn't like that site.
Oh, Web professional; you do realize it's up to the browsers rendering
engine to setup for the actual print job, right? Up to the job
completing and it being routed to the printer; you can't blame the
printer for any of it. :)
sooo .. is this how you think you will teach me? First you mock me as a
web professional, then you expect me to take advice from you?
On Nov 7, 2025 at 2:23:19 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote <[email protected]>:
Snit is expendable and he doesn't realize it. David has been using him
the entire time and Snit is oblivious to it. He doesn't know David as
well as he thinks he does.
https://chatgpt.com/share/690e8b86-02c0-800c-a005-3761c98e9d96
Dustin wrote:
"Jenn"<[email protected]> wrote in news:idhkg4$lvv$1
@news.eternal-september.org:
<shrugs> my printer, evidently, doesn't like that site.
Oh, Web professional; you do realize it's up to the browsers rendering
engine to setup for the actual print job, right? Up to the job
completing and it being routed to the printer; you can't blame the
printer for any of it. :)
sooo .. is this how you think you will teach me? First you mock me as a
web professional, then you expect me to take advice from you?
On 07/11/2025 21:23, Gremlin asked ...
Just how dumb are you, David?
I asked AI - it said to ignore you. :-P
Dustin wrote:
"Jenn"<[email protected]> wrote in news:idhkg4$lvv$1
@news.eternal-september.org:
<shrugs> my printer, evidently, doesn't like that site.
Oh, Web professional; you do realize it's up to the browsers rendering
engine to setup for the actual print job, right? Up to the job
completing and it being routed to the printer; you can't blame the
printer for any of it. :)
sooo .. is this how you think you will teach me? First you mock me as a
web professional, then you expect me to take advice from you?
That's me... Do you want yours and Trish's picture on the front page?
With a large "STALKER" banner?
"David B." <[email protected]> news:[email protected] Fri, 07 Nov 2025 23:23:24 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On 07/11/2025 21:23, Gremlin asked ...
Just how dumb are you, David?
I asked AI - it said to ignore you. :-P
ROLFMFAO!
Do you remember writing this to your former friend Jenn?
Brock McNuggets <[email protected]> news:690e8b4d$6$3785$[email protected] Sat, 08 Nov 2025 00:14:05 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
On Nov 7, 2025 at 2:23:19 PM MST, "Gremlin" wrote
<[email protected]>:
[huge snip snip]
Snit is expendable and he doesn't realize it. David has been using him
the entire time and Snit is oblivious to it. He doesn't know David as
well as he thinks he does.
https://chatgpt.com/share/690e8b86-02c0-800c-a005-3761c98e9d96
With regard to your chatgpt link, I have one too. Check this out:
<https://chatgpt.com/share/690e0df6-ff94-8009-a634-11f4f09fcb21>
A good-faith request seeks understanding, fairness, or truth.
A bad-faith request seeks ammunition, distortion, or provocation.
Brock McNuggets <[email protected]> news:690e8c03$4$3782$[email protected] Sat, 08 Nov 2025 00:17:07 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
[snip]
It sounds like there's a lot of history and strong feelings in play
here. From what you've written, it seems you take satisfaction in
teaching lessonsť online
You really should stop and think on your own for a minute, Michael. David is setting you up.
He knows what I have in store for you.
He's seen it before on two seperate
occasions. You will be the third one he marched up to the sacrifice table. I will accept his sacrifice. When I've eaten you, He will find a replacement. It's what he does. He doesn't give a shit about you or what's going to
happen to you anymore so than he did them. You are cannon fodder and nothing more to him. Don't you think if I was bullshitting you, one or more of the regulars who've known me for decades would have said something by now?
You've seen Apd recently chew me out a bit over quoting.
I did notice a slight change in your tone though. That's not what I'm interested in. I've told you before, I want you to apologize for the totally bullshit story you wrote about me and the floodbot.
I've asked you many
times. I've given you plenty of chances. I will ask you no more for what you rightfully owe me. I shouldn't have to repeatedly ask you to do what's right.
I've been very patient with you - because I know a lot about you that I haven't shared here.
So, I understand why you're so unwilling to provide it.
You just can't admit that you openly lied - event though you most certainly did.
You are very invested in what you've been doing. I get that.
If you do
decide to do the right thing by me, I will not continue to bring it up - I know you have reservations about it being tossed in your face. I give you my word I will not do that. I have no interest in such childish behavior. I
will completely ignore you from that point on if that's what you actually want.
I also understand how it's going to bite you in the ass. You don't get that part. I'm really not like the others you've fucked around with. I understand that because you haven't bothered to 'dig back' and fact check me that you think I'm incapable of doing anything more than the doxxing you already got. As I wrote, I know a lot about you. I've been learning more about you every day. I want to be sure I have as much information as I can possibly acquire to ensure that your lesson is perfect.
The kinds of lessons I teach to people like Jenn Eagle and yourself are not typical how to use a computer lessons, Snit. Due to the time and significant consumption of resources required to do it, I do take some pleasure in
seeing the results. You would too if you understood what's actually involved in the prep time alone.
Once it starts, I can't just turn it off.
I realize you don't really
understand what I just disclosed to you, but, I figured you had the right to know in the event you change your mind - that it will take time for the processes to come to an end. I will also go ahead and tell you that I have
no intentions of stopping the things I've already begun to set in motion.
Once I initiate the lesson plan, it will carry on a life of it's own. Kind
of like my viruses once did when they went ITW. Some things are beyond my ability to reverse - the damage I did to Eagles financials for example;
there was no undo option. He was just out the funds no recourse. As far as his bank was concerned, his computer did it with his login credentials so he was on the hook for all of it. Just between us, his computer wasn't even involved. <BFG>
I've invited David to be honest with you concerning them multiple times now. I know he hasn't been. If he was, you wouldn't still continue poking me with that stick. Even you aren't that stupid.
In the movies about people like me,
Brock McNuggets <[email protected]> news:690e8d3e$2$3778$[email protected] Sat, 08 Nov 2025 00:22:22 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
[snip snip]
At least I am not a white supremacist:
<683367db$9$10360$[email protected]>
<6831d3ac$0$16$[email protected]>
<688ff1ad$0$26$[email protected]>
<6895600b$0$10360$[email protected]>
PotHead isn't either.
You've already been dog walked over these MIDs Snit. I--
realize that you seek attention and any attention will do. But, this isn't the
right way to get it. You are showing yourself to be a complete ass in COLA as well as ACW.
You've also been dogwalked over the MIDs you share concerning me. You act as if these events haven't taken place. Snit, all you're doing with this nonsense
is showing what an assmunching bitch you are. You will be answering for what you've been writing. I realize you think you are untouchable and the doxxing you got already is the limit of what I can do. You're going to learn the hard way that's not the case. I seriously doubt that anyone is going to feel the least bit sorry for you when it starts. I don't think anyone is going to come to your rescue or even suggest that I've gone too far.
I do have a question for you though. Why did you decide to remove comp.sys.mac.advocacy from the newsgroups list? You only started doing that with your first reply to me on this thread. Is there a specific reason you didn't want to include that newsgroup with your reply?
Should I be giving that newsgroup a much closer look then? Is there something there you don't want me to find? blocknews has a hell of a deal. 5gigs for two
dollars. That will last me for years. <G> And the retention time is incredible.
Just remember, Michael. You did ask for this.
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