The two longest lasting phones I have owned were a Blackberry at about 5 years and an iPhone 14 Pro at 3+ years. In between a series of Android phones. The 14 Pro will do for at least another 1-2 years. The wife has
an iPhone 14, same story.
Android tablets were tried for something like 10 years. All were disappointing. Slow, limited updates, and clunky OS. My iPad experience
has been the exact opposite. Frequent updates, plenty fast, and
consistent OS. The current oldest is Gen 7, 6 years old, and running
great with a fully patched OS. None of my Samsung tablets came even close.
IMHO Apple deserves the price premium. Good hardware, incredible
support, durable. No regrets.
On 2026-02-15, Tom Elam <[email protected]> wrote:
The two longest lasting phones I have owned were a Blackberry at about 5
years and an iPhone 14 Pro at 3+ years. In between a series of Android
phones. The 14 Pro will do for at least another 1-2 years. The wife has
an iPhone 14, same story.
Android tablets were tried for something like 10 years. All were
disappointing. Slow, limited updates, and clunky OS. My iPad experience
has been the exact opposite. Frequent updates, plenty fast, and
consistent OS. The current oldest is Gen 7, 6 years old, and running
great with a fully patched OS. None of my Samsung tablets came even close. >>
IMHO Apple deserves the price premium. Good hardware, incredible
support, durable. No regrets.
I agree completely with your assessment of your Apple devices. I too had
a Blackberry and at the time I enjoyed using it and it did last a long time despite the abuse from me.
I also have had several Android devices from Motorola, Samsung and LG. Mostly top tier devices for the most part.
They have never been as smooth as my iPhones which I have been using since one of
the early models. I currently have an iPhone 14 as well.
One of my biggest complaints with Android has been the massive amount of bloatware
that they come with. Apps from the manufacturer as well as the carrier. And some
can be a PITA to remove.
I've never used an Apple or Android tablet so I can't comment on that.
My only complaint with the iPhone and Apple was iTunes as I don't use a desktop
Mac so it was quite clunky to me. Android was better in that regard because it
was seen from the PC as just another file system. To me that is logical.
Yesterday I took the next step and bought a MacBook Air. Probably just before the next update, but what the heck. Got almost everything up and running except 2 standalone utilites that are Windows-only. A few years
back the poor state of Quicken and an M1 MacBook Pro that failed to boot
13 days after purchase derailed the process. Quicken has been updated
and now works OK. I have two Windows 11 machines around that can run
those utilities. This is being sent on the Air/Thunderbird.
Still a few kinks to work out, thanks to Google and YouTube I'm
confident I'll not be needing Parallels.
On 2/15/26 6:08 PM, pothead wrote:Do yourself a favour. Set up the Windows machine for remote access using
On 2026-02-15, Tom Elam <[email protected]> wrote:
The two longest lasting phones I have owned were a Blackberry at about 5 >>> years and an iPhone 14 Pro at 3+ years. In between a series of Android
phones. The 14 Pro will do for at least another 1-2 years. The wife has
an iPhone 14, same story.
Android tablets were tried for something like 10 years. All were
disappointing. Slow, limited updates, and clunky OS. My iPad experience
has been the exact opposite. Frequent updates, plenty fast, and
consistent OS. The current oldest is Gen 7, 6 years old, and running
great with a fully patched OS. None of my Samsung tablets came even
close.
IMHO Apple deserves the price premium. Good hardware, incredible
support, durable. No regrets.
I agree completely with your assessment of your Apple devices. I too had
a Blackberry and at the time I enjoyed using it and it did last a long
time
despite the abuse from me.
I also have had several Android devices from Motorola, Samsung and LG.
Mostly
top tier devices for the most part.
They have never been as smooth as my iPhones which I have been using
since one of
the early models. I currently have an iPhone 14 as well.
One of my biggest complaints with Android has been the massive amount
of bloatware
that they come with. Apps from the manufacturer as well as the
carrier. And some
can be a PITA to remove.
I've never used an Apple or Android tablet so I can't comment on that.
My only complaint with the iPhone and Apple was iTunes as I don't use
a desktop
Mac so it was quite clunky to me. Android was better in that regard
because it
was seen from the PC as just another file system. To me that is logical.
Yesterday I took the next step and bought a MacBook Air. Probably just before the next update, but what the heck. Got almost everything up and running except 2 standalone utilites that are Windows-only. A few years
back the poor state of Quicken and an M1 MacBook Pro that failed to boot
13 days after purchase derailed the process. Quicken has been updated
and now works OK. I have two Windows 11 machines around that can run
those utilities. This is being sent on the Air/Thunderbird.
Still a few kinks to work out, thanks to Google and YouTube I'm
confident I'll not be needing Parallels.
On 17/02/2026 18:55, Tom Elam wrote:
[....]
Yesterday I took the next step and bought a MacBook Air. Probably just
before the next update, but what the heck. Got almost everything up
and running except 2 standalone utilites that are Windows-only. A few
years back the poor state of Quicken and an M1 MacBook Pro that failed
to boot 13 days after purchase derailed the process. Quicken has been
updated and now works OK. I have two Windows 11 machines around that
can run those utilities. This is being sent on the Air/Thunderbird.
Still a few kinks to work out, thanks to Google and YouTube I'm
confident I'll not be needing Parallels.
You won't be sorry, Tom. 🙂 It's a great machine. I have the first one,
an M1, which has hardly been used since I bought it for my wife!
If you need any help, pop over to 'alt.computer.workshop' - you'll
always find me there.
Are you already familiar with the Apple Support Communities forums?
Loads of help and advice from other users of Apple products there!
https://discussions.apple.com/learn
On 2/17/26 2:36 PM, David B. wrote:
On 17/02/2026 18:55, Tom Elam wrote:
[....]
Yesterday I took the next step and bought a MacBook Air. Probably
just before the next update, but what the heck. Got almost everything
up and running except 2 standalone utilites that are Windows-only. A
few years back the poor state of Quicken and an M1 MacBook Pro that
failed to boot 13 days after purchase derailed the process. Quicken
has been updated and now works OK. I have two Windows 11 machines
around that can run those utilities. This is being sent on the Air/
Thunderbird.
Still a few kinks to work out, thanks to Google and YouTube I'm
confident I'll not be needing Parallels.
You won't be sorry, Tom. 🙂 It's a great machine. I have the first
one, an M1, which has hardly been used since I bought it for my wife!
If you need any help, pop over to 'alt.computer.workshop' - you'll
always find me there.
Are you already familiar with the Apple Support Communities forums?
Loads of help and advice from other users of Apple products there!
https://discussions.apple.com/learn
Pretty much got all those kinks worked out. Setting up the HP printer manager was a bit of a nightmare, as HP software can be. I had to force- quit my browser to get it to let me sign-in. Got system-wide spell
checking working. Next I need to find a utility that will buffer Copy to
get past the Mac's primitive "just most recent algorithm."
It is amazing that on my Windows machine the OS and data took up over
400 gb. On the Mac, with all data files copied over, it's half that.
The most significant app difference is Quicken. Totally different apps.
All the Windows functionality is in the Mac version, but very different arrangement.
I'm sure I have a lot to learn to get the most out of this OS. But, I
have my beautiful Dell HD screen, Logitech mouse and keyboard and 2
external drives all up and running. Took this Air with me when I went to
get an oil change this morning. Over an hour on the battery and the
battery icon showed about 5% power use. Wow.
On 2/17/26 4:09 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/17/26 2:36 PM, David B. wrote:
On 17/02/2026 18:55, Tom Elam wrote:
[....]
Yesterday I took the next step and bought a MacBook Air. Probably
just before the next update, but what the heck. Got almost
everything up and running except 2 standalone utilites that are
Windows-only. A few years back the poor state of Quicken and an M1
MacBook Pro that failed to boot 13 days after purchase derailed the
process. Quicken has been updated and now works OK. I have two
Windows 11 machines around that can run those utilities. This is
being sent on the Air/ Thunderbird.
Still a few kinks to work out, thanks to Google and YouTube I'm
confident I'll not be needing Parallels.
You won't be sorry, Tom. 🙂 It's a great machine. I have the first
one, an M1, which has hardly been used since I bought it for my wife!
If you need any help, pop over to 'alt.computer.workshop' - you'll
always find me there.
Are you already familiar with the Apple Support Communities forums?
Loads of help and advice from other users of Apple products there!
https://discussions.apple.com/learn
Pretty much got all those kinks worked out. Setting up the HP printer
manager was a bit of a nightmare, as HP software can be. I had to
force- quit my browser to get it to let me sign-in. Got system-wide
spell checking working. Next I need to find a utility that will buffer
Copy to get past the Mac's primitive "just most recent algorithm."
It is amazing that on my Windows machine the OS and data took up over
400 gb. On the Mac, with all data files copied over, it's half that.
The most significant app difference is Quicken. Totally different
apps. All the Windows functionality is in the Mac version, but very
different arrangement.
I'm sure I have a lot to learn to get the most out of this OS. But, I
have my beautiful Dell HD screen, Logitech mouse and keyboard and 2
external drives all up and running. Took this Air with me when I went
to get an oil change this morning. Over an hour on the battery and the
battery icon showed about 5% power use. Wow.
That copy buffer is in Spotlight!
On 18/02/2026 04:58, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/17/26 4:09 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/17/26 2:36 PM, David B. wrote:
On 17/02/2026 18:55, Tom Elam wrote:
[....]
Yesterday I took the next step and bought a MacBook Air. Probably
just before the next update, but what the heck. Got almost
everything up and running except 2 standalone utilites that are
Windows-only. A few years back the poor state of Quicken and an M1
MacBook Pro that failed to boot 13 days after purchase derailed the >>>>> process. Quicken has been updated and now works OK. I have two
Windows 11 machines around that can run those utilities. This is
being sent on the Air/ Thunderbird.
Still a few kinks to work out, thanks to Google and YouTube I'm
confident I'll not be needing Parallels.
You won't be sorry, Tom. 🙂 It's a great machine. I have the first
one, an M1, which has hardly been used since I bought it for my wife!
If you need any help, pop over to 'alt.computer.workshop' - you'll
always find me there.
Are you already familiar with the Apple Support Communities forums?
Loads of help and advice from other users of Apple products there!
https://discussions.apple.com/learn
Pretty much got all those kinks worked out. Setting up the HP printer
manager was a bit of a nightmare, as HP software can be. I had to
force- quit my browser to get it to let me sign-in. Got system-wide
spell checking working. Next I need to find a utility that will
buffer Copy to get past the Mac's primitive "just most recent
algorithm."
It is amazing that on my Windows machine the OS and data took up over
400 gb. On the Mac, with all data files copied over, it's half that.
The most significant app difference is Quicken. Totally different
apps. All the Windows functionality is in the Mac version, but very
different arrangement.
I'm sure I have a lot to learn to get the most out of this OS. But, I
have my beautiful Dell HD screen, Logitech mouse and keyboard and 2
external drives all up and running. Took this Air with me when I went
to get an oil change this morning. Over an hour on the battery and
the battery icon showed about 5% power use. Wow.
Sounds like you are really pleased! 😅
That copy buffer is in Spotlight!
Please explain.
Ah! Maybe this is something new?
I can't get passed (or is it past?!!) macOS Ventura on this old iMac!
On 2026-02-17 10:55, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/15/26 6:08 PM, pothead wrote:Do yourself a favour. Set up the Windows machine for remote access using
On 2026-02-15, Tom Elam <[email protected]> wrote:
The two longest lasting phones I have owned were a Blackberry at
about 5
years and an iPhone 14 Pro at 3+ years. In between a series of Android >>>> phones. The 14 Pro will do for at least another 1-2 years. The wife has >>>> an iPhone 14, same story.
Android tablets were tried for something like 10 years. All were
disappointing. Slow, limited updates, and clunky OS. My iPad experience >>>> has been the exact opposite. Frequent updates, plenty fast, and
consistent OS. The current oldest is Gen 7, 6 years old, and running
great with a fully patched OS. None of my Samsung tablets came even
close.
IMHO Apple deserves the price premium. Good hardware, incredible
support, durable. No regrets.
I agree completely with your assessment of your Apple devices. I too had >>> a Blackberry and at the time I enjoyed using it and it did last a
long time
despite the abuse from me.
I also have had several Android devices from Motorola, Samsung and
LG. Mostly
top tier devices for the most part.
They have never been as smooth as my iPhones which I have been using
since one of
the early models. I currently have an iPhone 14 as well.
One of my biggest complaints with Android has been the massive amount
of bloatware
that they come with. Apps from the manufacturer as well as the
carrier. And some
can be a PITA to remove.
I've never used an Apple or Android tablet so I can't comment on that.
My only complaint with the iPhone and Apple was iTunes as I don't use
a desktop
Mac so it was quite clunky to me. Android was better in that regard
because it
was seen from the PC as just another file system. To me that is logical. >>>
Yesterday I took the next step and bought a MacBook Air. Probably just
before the next update, but what the heck. Got almost everything up
and running except 2 standalone utilites that are Windows-only. A few
years back the poor state of Quicken and an M1 MacBook Pro that failed
to boot 13 days after purchase derailed the process. Quicken has been
updated and now works OK. I have two Windows 11 machines around that
can run those utilities. This is being sent on the Air/Thunderbird.
Still a few kinks to work out, thanks to Google and YouTube I'm
confident I'll not be needing Parallels.
the "Windows" application you can get from the App Store.
On 2/17/26 2:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-17 10:55, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/15/26 6:08 PM, pothead wrote:Do yourself a favour. Set up the Windows machine for remote access
On 2026-02-15, Tom Elam <[email protected]> wrote:
The two longest lasting phones I have owned were a Blackberry at
about 5
years and an iPhone 14 Pro at 3+ years. In between a series of Android >>>>> phones. The 14 Pro will do for at least another 1-2 years. The wife >>>>> has
an iPhone 14, same story.
Android tablets were tried for something like 10 years. All were
disappointing. Slow, limited updates, and clunky OS. My iPad
experience
has been the exact opposite. Frequent updates, plenty fast, and
consistent OS. The current oldest is Gen 7, 6 years old, and running >>>>> great with a fully patched OS. None of my Samsung tablets came even >>>>> close.
IMHO Apple deserves the price premium. Good hardware, incredible
support, durable. No regrets.
I agree completely with your assessment of your Apple devices. I too
had
a Blackberry and at the time I enjoyed using it and it did last a
long time
despite the abuse from me.
I also have had several Android devices from Motorola, Samsung and
LG. Mostly
top tier devices for the most part.
They have never been as smooth as my iPhones which I have been using
since one of
the early models. I currently have an iPhone 14 as well.
One of my biggest complaints with Android has been the massive
amount of bloatware
that they come with. Apps from the manufacturer as well as the
carrier. And some
can be a PITA to remove.
I've never used an Apple or Android tablet so I can't comment on that. >>>> My only complaint with the iPhone and Apple was iTunes as I don't
use a desktop
Mac so it was quite clunky to me. Android was better in that regard
because it
was seen from the PC as just another file system. To me that is
logical.
Yesterday I took the next step and bought a MacBook Air. Probably
just before the next update, but what the heck. Got almost everything
up and running except 2 standalone utilites that are Windows-only. A
few years back the poor state of Quicken and an M1 MacBook Pro that
failed to boot 13 days after purchase derailed the process. Quicken
has been updated and now works OK. I have two Windows 11 machines
around that can run those utilities. This is being sent on the Air/
Thunderbird.
Still a few kinks to work out, thanks to Google and YouTube I'm
confident I'll not be needing Parallels.
using the "Windows" application you can get from the App Store.
Help me out here, what does that do for you?
On 2026-02-18 13:17, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/17/26 2:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-17 10:55, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/15/26 6:08 PM, pothead wrote:Do yourself a favour. Set up the Windows machine for remote access
On 2026-02-15, Tom Elam <[email protected]> wrote:
The two longest lasting phones I have owned were a Blackberry at
about 5
years and an iPhone 14 Pro at 3+ years. In between a series of
Android
phones. The 14 Pro will do for at least another 1-2 years. The
wife has
an iPhone 14, same story.
Android tablets were tried for something like 10 years. All were
disappointing. Slow, limited updates, and clunky OS. My iPad
experience
has been the exact opposite. Frequent updates, plenty fast, and
consistent OS. The current oldest is Gen 7, 6 years old, and running >>>>>> great with a fully patched OS. None of my Samsung tablets came
even close.
IMHO Apple deserves the price premium. Good hardware, incredible
support, durable. No regrets.
I agree completely with your assessment of your Apple devices. I
too had
a Blackberry and at the time I enjoyed using it and it did last a
long time
despite the abuse from me.
I also have had several Android devices from Motorola, Samsung and
LG. Mostly
top tier devices for the most part.
They have never been as smooth as my iPhones which I have been
using since one of
the early models. I currently have an iPhone 14 as well.
One of my biggest complaints with Android has been the massive
amount of bloatware
that they come with. Apps from the manufacturer as well as the
carrier. And some
can be a PITA to remove.
I've never used an Apple or Android tablet so I can't comment on that. >>>>> My only complaint with the iPhone and Apple was iTunes as I don't
use a desktop
Mac so it was quite clunky to me. Android was better in that regard >>>>> because it
was seen from the PC as just another file system. To me that is
logical.
Yesterday I took the next step and bought a MacBook Air. Probably
just before the next update, but what the heck. Got almost
everything up and running except 2 standalone utilites that are
Windows-only. A few years back the poor state of Quicken and an M1
MacBook Pro that failed to boot 13 days after purchase derailed the
process. Quicken has been updated and now works OK. I have two
Windows 11 machines around that can run those utilities. This is
being sent on the Air/ Thunderbird.
Still a few kinks to work out, thanks to Google and YouTube I'm
confident I'll not be needing Parallels.
using the "Windows" application you can get from the App Store.
Help me out here, what does that do for you?
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much
space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse
tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of
higher quality.
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much
space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse
tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of
higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen is 3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as anything
Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED monitor that is
as good as anything with similar specs on the market today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery, runs
hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound system than
the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell, runs all day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are not and issue. Both
work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That
went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the
Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years
ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
On 2026-02-18 15:48, Tom Elam wrote:
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much
space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse
tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of
higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen is
3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as anything
Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED monitor that
is as good as anything with similar specs on the market today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery, runs
hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound system
than the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell, runs all
day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are not and
issue. Both work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That
went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the
Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years
ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
What hasn't changed is that you're still an asshole.
Your words about what is and is not as functional don't have much
meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd probably not
have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
On 2/19/26 1:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-18 15:48, Tom Elam wrote:
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much
space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse
tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of
higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen is
3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as anything
Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED monitor that
is as good as anything with similar specs on the market today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery, runs
hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound system
than the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell, runs all
day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are not and
issue. Both work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That
went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the
Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years
ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
What hasn't changed is that you're still an asshole.
Your words about what is and is not as functional don't have much
meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd probably not
have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
You are not correct. I Googled that app and it's not useful for me.
On 2/19/26 1:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-18 15:48, Tom Elam wrote:
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much
space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse
tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of
higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen is
3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as anything
Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED monitor that
is as good as anything with similar specs on the market today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery,
runs hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound
system than the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell,
runs all day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are
not and issue. Both work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That
went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the
Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years
ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
What hasn't changed is that you're still an asshole.
Your words about what is and is not as functional don't have much
meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd probably
not have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
You are not correct. I Googled that app and it's not useful for me.
On 2026-02-19 17:37, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/19/26 1:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-18 15:48, Tom Elam wrote:
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much
space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse
tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of
higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen is
3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as anything
Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED monitor that
is as good as anything with similar specs on the market today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery,
runs hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound
system than the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell,
runs all day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are
not and issue. Both work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That
went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the
Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years
ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
What hasn't changed is that you're still an asshole.
Your words about what is and is not as functional don't have much
meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd probably
not have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
You are not correct. I Googled that app and it's not useful for me.
Riiiiiiiiight.
An app that lets you easily use a second computer without having to
switch back and forth physically is "not useful" for someone with two computers he wants to use...
On 2026-02-20, Tom Elam <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2/19/26 1:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-18 15:48, Tom Elam wrote:
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much
space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse
tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of
higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen is
3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as anything
Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED monitor that
is as good as anything with similar specs on the market today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery, runs >>>> hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound system
than the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell, runs all
day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are not and
issue. Both work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That
went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the
Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years
ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
What hasn't changed is that you're still an asshole.
Your words about what is and is not as functional don't have much
meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd probably not
have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
You are not correct. I Googled that app and it's not useful for me.
In case you are unaware you have made the mistake of engaging with Alan
who is the ultimate Apple fanboi.
Nobody else is even close to his religious zealot like behavior regarding Apple.
And that includes that subhuman snit troll as well.
Unlike the snit troll, Alan is quite well versed in Apple products but you can
never mention Apple in anything other than 100% positive because he will go berserk.
I'm confident that you will be happy with your new Mac. Apple makes excellent products which is one reason why many are happy with the company.
Good luck.
In case you are unaware you have made the mistake of engaging withYour words about what is and is not as functional don't haveYou are not correct. I Googled that app and it's not useful for
much meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd
probably not have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
me.
Alan who is the ultimate Apple fanboi. Nobody else is even close to
his religious zealot like behavior regarding Apple. And that
includes that subhuman snit troll as well. Unlike the snit troll,
Alan is quite well versed in Apple products but you can never
mention Apple in anything other than 100% positive because he will
go berserk.
On 2026-02-19 17:37, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/19/26 1:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-18 15:48, Tom Elam wrote:
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much >>>>> space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse
tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of >>>>> higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen
is 3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as
anything Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED
monitor that is as good as anything with similar specs on the market
today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery,
runs hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound
system than the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell,
runs all day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are
not and issue. Both work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That
went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the
Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years
ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
What hasn't changed is that you're still an asshole.
Your words about what is and is not as functional don't have much
meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd probably
not have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
You are not correct. I Googled that app and it's not useful for me.
Riiiiiiiiight.
An app that lets you easily use a second computer without having to
switch back and forth physically is "not useful" for someone with two computers he wants to use...
On Feb 20, 2026 at 9:15:09 AM MST, "Alan" wrote <10na1ad$hbce$[email protected]>:
On 2026-02-19 17:37, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/19/26 1:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-18 15:48, Tom Elam wrote:
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much >>>>>> space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse >>>>>> tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of >>>>>> higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen is >>>>> 3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as anything >>>>> Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED monitor that >>>>> is as good as anything with similar specs on the market today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery,
runs hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound
system than the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell,
runs all day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are >>>>> not and issue. Both work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That >>>>> went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the >>>>> Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years >>>>> ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
What hasn't changed is that you're still an asshole.
Your words about what is and is not as functional don't have much
meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd probably
not have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
You are not correct. I Googled that app and it's not useful for me.
Riiiiiiiiight.
An app that lets you easily use a second computer without having to
switch back and forth physically is "not useful" for someone with two
computers he wants to use...
I have my desktop hooked up to my TV. I watch old videos on it and control it from my laptop. Being able to use my second computer without having to switch back and forth is useful.
Of course not everyone needs this.
(Backing you... I get you are being sarcastic).
On 2/20/26 11:13 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Feb 20, 2026 at 9:15:09 AM MST, "Alan" wroteDo you know how to use Screen Share from an Apple device on a streaming stick??
<10na1ad$hbce$[email protected]>:
On 2026-02-19 17:37, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/19/26 1:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-18 15:48, Tom Elam wrote:
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much >>>>>>> space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse >>>>>>> tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of >>>>>>> higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen is >>>>>> 3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as anything >>>>>> Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED monitor that >>>>>> is as good as anything with similar specs on the market today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery,
runs hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound
system than the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell, >>>>>> runs all day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are >>>>>> not and issue. Both work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That >>>>>> went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the >>>>>> Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years >>>>>> ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
What hasn't changed is that you're still an asshole.
Your words about what is and is not as functional don't have much
meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd probably
not have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
You are not correct. I Googled that app and it's not useful for me.
Riiiiiiiiight.
An app that lets you easily use a second computer without having to
switch back and forth physically is "not useful" for someone with two
computers he wants to use...
I have my desktop hooked up to my TV. I watch old videos on it and
control it
from my laptop. Being able to use my second computer without having to
switch
back and forth is useful.
Of course not everyone needs this.
(Backing you... I get you are being sarcastic).
On 2/20/26 11:13 AM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
On Feb 20, 2026 at 9:15:09 AM MST, "Alan" wroteDo you know how to use Screen Share from an Apple device on a streaming stick??
<10na1ad$hbce$[email protected]>:
On 2026-02-19 17:37, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/19/26 1:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-18 15:48, Tom Elam wrote:
You put the Windows machine somewhere where it doesn't take up much >>>>>>> space, and keep one computer where you use it the most.
You get to use the Mac's keyboard, mouse and screen, and the mouse >>>>>>> tracking is almost always smoother than Windows, and the display of >>>>>>> higher quality.
No complaints here on the Dell screen or keypad. The laptop screen is >>>>>> 3456x2160 OLED and the keyboard and mouse pad are as good as anything >>>>>> Apple has. I also have a 27" Dell 3840x2160 backlit LED monitor that >>>>>> is as good as anything with similar specs on the market today.
The issue with the Dell is the Intel i9 CPU. I kills the battery,
runs hot, and the fans make a lot of noise. It has a better sound
system than the Air. BUT, the Air is at least as fast as the Dell, >>>>>> runs all day on a charge, and no noise. To me the OS differences are >>>>>> not and issue. Both work just fine.
I bought the Dell for a specific project that was taking up to 20
minutes to run stats tasks on an even older top-of-the-line HP. That >>>>>> went down to well under 5 minutes. The HP had a 1 tb hard drive, the >>>>>> Dell a 2 tb SSD that helped too. It did the job at the time, 4 years >>>>>> ago. The client paid for it. A lot has changed.
What hasn't changed is that you're still an asshole.
Your words about what is and is not as functional don't have much
meaning anymore.
I tried to offer you some useful advice about an app you'd probably
not have known about, and you had to get argumentative.
You are not correct. I Googled that app and it's not useful for me.
Riiiiiiiiight.
An app that lets you easily use a second computer without having to
switch back and forth physically is "not useful" for someone with two
computers he wants to use...
I have my desktop hooked up to my TV. I watch old videos on it and control it
from my laptop. Being able to use my second computer without having to switch
back and forth is useful.
Of course not everyone needs this.
(Backing you... I get you are being sarcastic).
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being inducted into a religion.
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being
inducted into a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.
Linux IS an end in itself.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.
Linux IS an end in itself.
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself. But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being inducted into a religion.
One with quite severe penalties for apostasy, even ... ?
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.
Also exactly.But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being
inducted into a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.
Linux IS an end in itself.
Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being
inducted into a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so you >> are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more time
tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.
Nonsense.
Linux IS an end in itself.
Linux is my daily driver, man.
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not
as an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just that
it works with minimal fuss.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t just buy the
product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being inducted into
a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so
you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”.
Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than
actually getting things done.
On Thu, 26 Feb 2026 13:59:39 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not
as an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just that
it works with minimal fuss.
And maximum cost, it seems.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t just buy the
product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being inducted into
a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so
you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”.
Since when do you consider freedom to be a “religion”? Isn’t that just a basic human right?
Then you spend more time tinkering and compiling software than
actually getting things done.
We’re not the ones who have to apply patches that turn out to be
broken and require more patches on top of the previous patches to try
to fix their brokenness.
On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being >>>> inducted into a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so you >>> are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more time >>> tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.
Nonsense.
Linux IS an end in itself.
Linux is my daily driver, man.
And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as >>>>> an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just >>>> that it works with minimal fuss.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t just buy the
product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being inducted into >>>>> a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so >>>> you are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more >>>> time tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things
done.
Nonsense.
Linux IS an end in itself.
Linux is my daily driver, man.
And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.
What's your point?
In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage the OS?
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as >>>>> an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just that it
works with minimal fuss.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being >>>>> inducted into a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so you >>>> are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more time >>>> tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.
Nonsense.
Linux IS an end in itself.
Linux is my daily driver, man.
And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.
What's your point?
In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who justPretty much bang on, yes.
uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media
player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage
the OS?
On 2026-02-27 07:01, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
Linux IS an end in itself.
Linux is my daily driver, man.
And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.
What's your point?
That your ability to "daily drive" Linux is not something that most computers want to or even can practically do.
In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just
uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media
player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage
the OS?
Pretty much bang on, yes.
You're the guy who's posting on a classic auto enthusiast forum about
how much better classic cars are and pointing out that you have no
problem doing your own tuneups.
On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just
that it
works with minimal fuss.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being >>>> inducted into a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software so you
are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more time >>> tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.
Nonsense.
Linux IS an end in itself.
Linux is my daily driver, man.
And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.
On 2026-02-27 07:01, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as >>>>>> an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just
that it
works with minimal fuss.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being >>>>>> inducted into a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software >>>>> so you
are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more time >>>>> tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done.
Nonsense.
Linux IS an end in itself.
Linux is my daily driver, man.
And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.
What's your point?
That your ability to "daily drive" Linux is not something that most computers want to or even can practically do.
Pretty much bang on, yes.
In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just
uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media
player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage
the OS?
You're the guy who's posting on a classic auto enthusiast forum about
how much better classic cars are and pointing out that you have no
problem doing your own tuneups.
On 2026-02-25 21:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself. But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being
inducted into a religion.
One with quite severe penalties for apostasy, even ... ?
You really live in a fantasy world, don't you?
People buy Apple products and then stick with them...
...because they work well for them.
On 2/26/26 1:39 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
Linux IS an end in itself.
Linux is my daily driver, man.
And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.
You REALLY got that right. This group is WAY out on the end of a distribution!
On 2/26/26 1:38 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-25 21:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself. But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being
inducted into a religion.
One with quite severe penalties for apostasy, even ... ?
You really live in a fantasy world, don't you?
People buy Apple products and then stick with them...
...because they work well for them.
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading to
giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a laptop
that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a dual role as a
room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it that, was the result of
many years of experience with a variety of WinTel products and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google
killed that experience for me with botched transition to their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the culmination.
On 2/27/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-27 07:01, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 2026-02-26 08:28, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Nick Charles wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:Nonsense.
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as >>>>>>> an end in itself.
Right. Apple users aren’t interested in the “technology”. Just
that it
works with minimal fuss.
But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being >>>>>>> inducted into a religion.
You just described Linux users. The religion is “free software >>>>>> so you
are not enslaved by a Big, Bad Corporation”. Then you spend more >>>>>> time
tinkering and compiling software than actually getting things done. >>>>>
Linux IS an end in itself.
Linux is my daily driver, man.
And the very fact that you're posting to Usenet means you are NOT a
typical personal computer user.
What's your point?
That your ability to "daily drive" Linux is not something that most
computers want to or even can practically do.
Pretty much bang on, yes.
In any case, define a "typical" computer user. Someone who just
uses a browser, word-processor or spreadsheet, games, and media
player? Has no ability to maintain their computer and manage
the OS?
You're the guy who's posting on a classic auto enthusiast forum about
how much better classic cars are and pointing out that you have no
problem doing your own tuneups.
Ah yes, the days of timing lights, distributors, spark plug wires, dwell meters, points, condensers, replacing plugs every 20,000 miles, setting rocker arm and points clearances, manual brake adjustments, setting idle air, vacuum gauges, etc. Doing tuneups every 10,000 miles. How I miss
those days.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google
killed that experience for me with botched transition to their
ownership.
Ah yes, the days of timing lights, distributors, spark plug wires, dwell meters, points, condensers, replacing plugs every 20,000 miles, setting rocker arm and points clearances, manual brake adjustments, setting idle
air, vacuum gauges, etc. Doing tuneups every 10,000 miles. How I miss
those days.
Ah yes, the days of timing lights, distributors, spark plug wires, dwell
meters, points, condensers, replacing plugs every 20,000 miles, setting
rocker arm and points clearances, manual brake adjustments, setting idle
air, vacuum gauges, etc. Doing tuneups every 10,000 miles. How I miss
those days.
Bullshit.
Any time you want, you could buy a car that needs all of that...
...but you don't, do you?
Alan wrote:
Ah yes, the days of timing lights, distributors, spark plug wires, dwell >>> meters, points, condensers, replacing plugs every 20,000 miles, setting
rocker arm and points clearances, manual brake adjustments, setting idle >>> air, vacuum gauges, etc. Doing tuneups every 10,000 miles. How I miss
those days.
Bullshit.
Any time you want, you could buy a car that needs all of that...
...but you don't, do you?
It's called "sarcasm", Anal.
On 2/26/26 1:38 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-25 21:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself. But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t
just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being
inducted into a religion.
One with quite severe penalties for apostasy, even ... ?
You really live in a fantasy world, don't you?
People buy Apple products and then stick with them...
...because they work well for them.
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading to
giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a laptop
that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a dual role as a
room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it that, was the result of
many years of experience with a variety of WinTel products and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google
killed that experience for me with botched transition to their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the culmination.
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 2/26/26 1:38 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-02-25 21:51, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
Normal people adopt technology as a means to solve a problem, not as
an end in itself. But with companies like Apple, it seems, you don’t >>>> just buy the product, you have to be a “convert” first. Like being >>>> inducted into a religion.
One with quite severe penalties for apostasy, even ... ?
You really live in a fantasy world, don't you?
People buy Apple products and then stick with them...
...because they work well for them.
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading to
giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a laptop
that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a dual role as
a room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it that, was the result
of many years of experience with a variety of WinTel products and
Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google
killed that experience for me with botched transition to their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the
culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with Norton
active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading to
giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a laptop
that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a dual role as
a room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it that, was the
result of many years of experience with a variety of WinTel products
and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google
killed that experience for me with botched transition to their
ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the
culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with Norton
active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform indicative of anything?
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading to
giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a
laptop that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a dual
role as a room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it that, was
the result of many years of experience with a variety of WinTel
products and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google
killed that experience for me with botched transition to their
ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the
culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with Norton
active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform indicative of
anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd taken.
On 2026-03-03 13:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading to
giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a
laptop that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a
dual role as a room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it
that, was the result of many years of experience with a variety of
WinTel products and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. Google >>>>> killed that experience for me with botched transition to their
ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the
culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with Norton
active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform indicative of
anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
And?
You seem to be questioning whether or not his post was from a Mac.
Why?
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
Which header specifically?
3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.
But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd taken.
On 3/3/2026 7:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 13:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading to >>>>>> giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a
laptop that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a
dual role as a room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it
that, was the result of many years of experience with a variety of >>>>>> WinTel products and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models.
Google killed that experience for me with botched transition to
their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the >>>>>> culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with Norton >>>>> active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform indicative of
anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
And?
You seem to be questioning whether or not his post was from a Mac.
Why?
It would be something to take note of.
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
Which header specifically?
Look at my headers, it will show the same thing even though it's from Thunderbird on Windows.
3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.
But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd taken.
Actually, the best advice says using Windows' built-in antimalware protection is sufficient. But I want specific features that NortonYou're missing the point.
gives me, beyond antimalware in the background. On Linux, and
proactively safe macOS use, antimalware isn't needed.
On 2026-03-03 18:06, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 7:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 13:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading >>>>>>> to giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting a >>>>>>> laptop that will run all day on a battery charge and not have a >>>>>>> dual role as a room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it
that, was the result of many years of experience with a variety >>>>>>> of WinTel products and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models.
Google killed that experience for me with botched transition to >>>>>>> their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is the >>>>>>> culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with
Norton active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform indicative
of anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
And?
You seem to be questioning whether or not his post was from a Mac.
Why?
It would be something to take note of.
That's just repeating yourself.
WHY is is it "something to take note of"?
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
Which header specifically?
Look at my headers, it will show the same thing even though it's from
Thunderbird on Windows.
And how does that prove that Norton is involved?
You're missing the point.3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.
But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd taken.
Actually, the best advice says using Windows' built-in antimalware
protection is sufficient. But I want specific features that Norton
gives me, beyond antimalware in the background. On Linux, and
proactively safe macOS use, antimalware isn't needed.
You seem to be using the fact (apparently true) that he's using a cross- platform newsreader...
...and the claim (completely unsupported) that he's using Norton...
...as a reason to be skeptical about him using macOS.
And that's literally no reasons at all.
On 3/3/2026 9:50 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 18:06, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 7:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 13:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading >>>>>>>> to giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting >>>>>>>> a laptop that will run all day on a battery charge and not have >>>>>>>> a dual role as a room heater. Conversion, if you want to call it >>>>>>>> that, was the result of many years of experience with a variety >>>>>>>> of WinTel products and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models.
Google killed that experience for me with botched transition to >>>>>>>> their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is >>>>>>>> the culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with
Norton active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform indicative >>>>>> of anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
And?
You seem to be questioning whether or not his post was from a Mac.
Why?
It would be something to take note of.
That's just repeating yourself.
WHY is is it "something to take note of"?
Because if I were using a Mac, I wouldn't pay for Norton.
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
Which header specifically?
Look at my headers, it will show the same thing even though it's from
Thunderbird on Windows.
And how does that prove that Norton is involved?
It doesn't. I could be fabricating them. I'm not, though, I'm actually running Win11 with Norton.
You're missing the point.3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.
But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd taken.
Actually, the best advice says using Windows' built-in antimalware
protection is sufficient. But I want specific features that Norton
gives me, beyond antimalware in the background. On Linux, and
proactively safe macOS use, antimalware isn't needed.
You seem to be using the fact (apparently true) that he's using a
cross- platform newsreader...
...and the claim (completely unsupported) that he's using Norton...
...as a reason to be skeptical about him using macOS.
And that's literally no reasons at all.
It's supported that he's using Norton if Norton puts its mark on his headers.What mark is that supposed to be?
On 2026-03-03 19:22, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 9:50 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 18:06, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 7:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 13:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading >>>>>>>>> to giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting >>>>>>>>> a laptop that will run all day on a battery charge and not have >>>>>>>>> a dual role as a room heater. Conversion, if you want to call >>>>>>>>> it that, was the result of many years of experience with a
variety of WinTel products and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. >>>>>>>>> Google killed that experience for me with botched transition to >>>>>>>>> their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is >>>>>>>>> the culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with
Norton active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform indicative >>>>>>> of anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
And?
You seem to be questioning whether or not his post was from a Mac.
Why?
It would be something to take note of.
That's just repeating yourself.
WHY is is it "something to take note of"?
Because if I were using a Mac, I wouldn't pay for Norton.
Except this part was about you citing is use of a cross-platform
newsreader.
Do try to keep up.
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
Which header specifically?
Look at my headers, it will show the same thing even though it's
from Thunderbird on Windows.
And how does that prove that Norton is involved?
It doesn't. I could be fabricating them. I'm not, though, I'm
actually running Win11 with Norton.
So why did you claim that the headers showed he was using Norton?
I'll go further:
There is nothing in the headers of a Usenet message that can even
suggest what anti-malware software a person is using.
You're missing the point.Actually, the best advice says using Windows' built-in antimalware3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.
But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd taken. >>>>
protection is sufficient. But I want specific features that Norton
gives me, beyond antimalware in the background. On Linux, and
proactively safe macOS use, antimalware isn't needed.
You seem to be using the fact (apparently true) that he's using a
cross- platform newsreader...
...and the claim (completely unsupported) that he's using Norton...
...as a reason to be skeptical about him using macOS.
And that's literally no reasons at all.
It's supported that he's using Norton if Norton puts its mark on his
headers.
What mark is that supposed to be?
Copy and pasted it right here:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
On 3/4/2026 12:13 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 19:22, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 9:50 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 18:06, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 7:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 13:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android,
leading to giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led >>>>>>>>>> to wanting a laptop that will run all day on a battery charge >>>>>>>>>> and not have a dual role as a room heater. Conversion, if you >>>>>>>>>> want to call it that, was the result of many years of
experience with a variety of WinTel products and Android devices. >>>>>>>>>>
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. >>>>>>>>>> Google killed that experience for me with botched transition >>>>>>>>>> to their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is >>>>>>>>>> the culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with >>>>>>>>> Norton active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform
indicative of anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
And?
You seem to be questioning whether or not his post was from a Mac. >>>>>>
Why?
It would be something to take note of.
That's just repeating yourself.
WHY is is it "something to take note of"?
Because if I were using a Mac, I wouldn't pay for Norton.
Except this part was about you citing is use of a cross-platform
newsreader.
Do try to keep up.
I know it's cross-platform. I also know Norton is. I never suggested they aren't. Your game you're playing is really with yourself, I'm not involved in it.
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
Which header specifically?
Look at my headers, it will show the same thing even though it's
from Thunderbird on Windows.
And how does that prove that Norton is involved?
It doesn't. I could be fabricating them. I'm not, though, I'm
actually running Win11 with Norton.
So why did you claim that the headers showed he was using Norton?
I'll go further:
There is nothing in the headers of a Usenet message that can even
suggest what anti-malware software a person is using.
I'll go back to the fact that it's probable his headers are real,
actually put their by Norton for Mac.
You're missing the point.3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.
But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd
taken.
Actually, the best advice says using Windows' built-in antimalware
protection is sufficient. But I want specific features that Norton >>>>> gives me, beyond antimalware in the background. On Linux, and
proactively safe macOS use, antimalware isn't needed.
You seem to be using the fact (apparently true) that he's using a
cross- platform newsreader...
...and the claim (completely unsupported) that he's using Norton...
...as a reason to be skeptical about him using macOS.
And that's literally no reasons at all.
It's supported that he's using Norton if Norton puts its mark on his
headers.
What mark is that supposed to be?
Copy and pasted it right here:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No shit, but I believed his headers were real.
On 3/4/2026 12:13 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 19:22, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 9:50 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 18:06, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 7:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 13:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, leading >>>>>>>>> to giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led to wanting >>>>>>>>> a laptop that will run all day on a battery charge and not have >>>>>>>>> a dual role as a room heater. Conversion, if you want to call >>>>>>>>> it that, was the result of many years of experience with a >>>>>>>>> variety of WinTel products and Android devices.
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. >>>>>>>>> Google killed that experience for me with botched transition to >>>>>>>>> their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is >>>>>>>>> the culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with >>>>>>>> Norton active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform indicative >>>>>>> of anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
And?
You seem to be questioning whether or not his post was from a Mac. >>>>>
Why?
It would be something to take note of.
That's just repeating yourself.
WHY is is it "something to take note of"?
Because if I were using a Mac, I wouldn't pay for Norton.
Except this part was about you citing is use of a cross-platform newsreader.
Do try to keep up.
I know it's cross-platform. I also know Norton is. I never suggested
they aren't. Your game you're playing is really with yourself, I'm not involved in it.
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
Which header specifically?
Look at my headers, it will show the same thing even though it's
from Thunderbird on Windows.
And how does that prove that Norton is involved?
It doesn't. I could be fabricating them. I'm not, though, I'm
actually running Win11 with Norton.
So why did you claim that the headers showed he was using Norton?
I'll go further:
There is nothing in the headers of a Usenet message that can even
suggest what anti-malware software a person is using.
I'll go back to the fact that it's probable his headers are real,
actually put their by Norton for Mac.
You're missing the point.Actually, the best advice says using Windows' built-in antimalware3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.
But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd taken. >>>>
protection is sufficient. But I want specific features that Norton >>>> gives me, beyond antimalware in the background. On Linux, and
proactively safe macOS use, antimalware isn't needed.
You seem to be using the fact (apparently true) that he's using a
cross- platform newsreader...
...and the claim (completely unsupported) that he's using Norton...
...as a reason to be skeptical about him using macOS.
And that's literally no reasons at all.
It's supported that he's using Norton if Norton puts its mark on his
headers.
What mark is that supposed to be?
Copy and pasted it right here:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No shit, but I believed his headers were real.
On 2026-03-03 21:34, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/4/2026 12:13 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 19:22, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 9:50 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 18:06, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 7:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 13:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, >>>>>>>>>> leading to giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led >>>>>>>>>> to wanting a laptop that will run all day on a battery charge >>>>>>>>>> and not have a dual role as a room heater. Conversion, if you >>>>>>>>>> want to call it that, was the result of many years of
experience with a variety of WinTel products and Android devices. >>>>>>>>>>
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. >>>>>>>>>> Google killed that experience for me with botched transition >>>>>>>>>> to their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is >>>>>>>>>> the culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with >>>>>>>>> Norton active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform
indicative of anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
And?
You seem to be questioning whether or not his post was from a Mac. >>>>>>
Why?
It would be something to take note of.
That's just repeating yourself.
WHY is is it "something to take note of"?
Because if I were using a Mac, I wouldn't pay for Norton.
Except this part was about you citing is use of a cross-platform
newsreader.
Do try to keep up.
I know it's cross-platform. I also know Norton is. I never suggested they aren't. Your game you're playing is really with yourself, I'm not involved in it.
This section of the conversation is only about the fact that you pointed
to his use of a cross-platform newsreader as "evidence" he might not actually be using a Mac.
Do try to keep up.
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
Which header specifically?
Look at my headers, it will show the same thing even though it's
from Thunderbird on Windows.
And how does that prove that Norton is involved?
It doesn't. I could be fabricating them. I'm not, though, I'm
actually running Win11 with Norton.
So why did you claim that the headers showed he was using Norton?
I'll go further:
There is nothing in the headers of a Usenet message that can even
suggest what anti-malware software a person is using.
I'll go back to the fact that it's probable his headers are real,
actually put their by Norton for Mac.
Which ones were put there by Norton?
Copy and paste, please.
You're missing the point.3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.
But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd >>>>>> taken.
Actually, the best advice says using Windows' built-in antimalware >>>>> protection is sufficient. But I want specific features that Norton >>>>> gives me, beyond antimalware in the background. On Linux, and
proactively safe macOS use, antimalware isn't needed.
You seem to be using the fact (apparently true) that he's using a
cross- platform newsreader...
...and the claim (completely unsupported) that he's using Norton...
...as a reason to be skeptical about him using macOS.
And that's literally no reasons at all.
It's supported that he's using Norton if Norton puts its mark on his
headers.
What mark is that supposed to be?
Copy and pasted it right here:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No shit, but I believed his headers were real.
Again:
What information in his headers points to anything about Norton?
Why won't you answer?
At Tue, 3 Mar 2026 21:52:32 -0800, Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-03-03 21:34, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/4/2026 12:13 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 19:22, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 9:50 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 18:06, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 7:17 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 13:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/3/2026 3:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-02 17:24, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/2/2026 7:39 PM, Tom Elam wrote:
In my case it started with disappointment with Android, >>>>>>>>>>>> leading to giving iPad and iPhone a try. That eventually led >>>>>>>>>>>> to wanting a laptop that will run all day on a battery charge >>>>>>>>>>>> and not have a dual role as a room heater. Conversion, if you >>>>>>>>>>>> want to call it that, was the result of many years of
experience with a variety of WinTel products and Android devices. >>>>>>>>>>>>
I bought an Apple Watch after MANY years with Fitbit models. >>>>>>>>>>>> Google killed that experience for me with botched transition >>>>>>>>>>>> to their ownership.
I was very reluctant to make the changes. This MacBook Air is >>>>>>>>>>>> the culmination.
Your headers show you using a cross-platform newsreader with >>>>>>>>>>> Norton active on your system - is that Windows or macOS?
1. How is the fact that a newsreader is cross-platform
indicative of anything?
Norton likewise is available on a Mac.
And?
You seem to be questioning whether or not his post was from a Mac. >>>>>>>>
Why?
It would be something to take note of.
That's just repeating yourself.
WHY is is it "something to take note of"?
Because if I were using a Mac, I wouldn't pay for Norton.
Except this part was about you citing is use of a cross-platform
newsreader.
Do try to keep up.
I know it's cross-platform. I also know Norton is. I never suggested >>> they aren't. Your game you're playing is really with yourself, I'm not >>> involved in it.
This section of the conversation is only about the fact that you pointed
to his use of a cross-platform newsreader as "evidence" he might not
actually be using a Mac.
Do try to keep up.
2. How do you know Norton is active on his system?
Headers.
Which header specifically?
Look at my headers, it will show the same thing even though it's >>>>>>> from Thunderbird on Windows.
And how does that prove that Norton is involved?
It doesn't. I could be fabricating them. I'm not, though, I'm
actually running Win11 with Norton.
So why did you claim that the headers showed he was using Norton?
I'll go further:
There is nothing in the headers of a Usenet message that can even
suggest what anti-malware software a person is using.
I'll go back to the fact that it's probable his headers are real,
actually put their by Norton for Mac.
Which ones were put there by Norton?
Copy and paste, please.
You're missing the point.3. How is that (Norton) indicative of anything?
Itself.
But it was something you mentioned in support of a stance you'd >>>>>>>> taken.
Actually, the best advice says using Windows' built-in antimalware >>>>>>> protection is sufficient. But I want specific features that Norton >>>>>>> gives me, beyond antimalware in the background. On Linux, and
proactively safe macOS use, antimalware isn't needed.
You seem to be using the fact (apparently true) that he's using a
cross- platform newsreader...
...and the claim (completely unsupported) that he's using Norton... >>>>>>
...as a reason to be skeptical about him using macOS.
And that's literally no reasons at all.
It's supported that he's using Norton if Norton puts its mark on his >>>>> headers.
What mark is that supposed to be?
Copy and pasted it right here:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No shit, but I believed his headers were real.
Again:
What information in his headers points to anything about Norton?
Why won't you answer?
I'll bet Norton is putting them in the incoming article
headers on Joel's reader.
I don't see any Norton headers in Tom's posts.
At Wed, 4 Mar 2026 00:34:00 -0500, "Joel W. Crump" <[email protected]> wrote:
On 3/4/2026 12:13 AM, Alan wrote:
It's supported that he's using Norton if Norton puts its mark on his
headers.
What mark is that supposed to be?
Copy and pasted it right here:
No shit, but I believed his headers were real.
I don't see any Norton headers in his post.
What information in his headers points to anything about Norton?
Why won't you answer?
On 2026-03-03 22:19, vallor wrote:
I'll bet Norton is putting them in the incoming article
headers on Joel's reader.
I don't see any Norton headers in Tom's posts.
That would certainly track.
There's no way Joel is smart enough to have figured that out.
On 3/4/2026 1:26 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 22:19, vallor wrote:
I'll bet Norton is putting them in the incoming article
headers on Joel's reader.
I don't see any Norton headers in Tom's posts.
That would certainly track.
There's no way Joel is smart enough to have figured that out.
Certain things don't register on looking, with my admittedly altered brain. I'm smart enough to understand what Norton is doing on my end. I just didn't have the thought of it at the time.
On 2026-03-03 22:41, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/4/2026 1:26 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 22:19, vallor wrote:
I'll bet Norton is putting them in the incoming article
headers on Joel's reader.
I don't see any Norton headers in Tom's posts.
That would certainly track.
There's no way Joel is smart enough to have figured that out.
Certain things don't register on looking, with my admittedly altered
brain. I'm smart enough to understand what Norton is doing on my end.
I just didn't have the thought of it at the time.
You acting without thinking things through is completely on-brand.
On 3/4/2026 1:26 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 22:19, vallor wrote:
I'll bet Norton is putting them in the incoming article
headers on Joel's reader.
I don't see any Norton headers in Tom's posts.
That would certainly track.
There's no way Joel is smart enough to have figured that out.
Certain things don't register on looking, with my admittedly altered brain. I'm smart enough to understand what Norton is doing on my end. I just didn't have the thought of it at the time.
On 3/4/26 1:41 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 3/4/2026 1:26 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-03-03 22:19, vallor wrote:
I'll bet Norton is putting them in the incoming article
headers on Joel's reader.
I don't see any Norton headers in Tom's posts.
That would certainly track.
There's no way Joel is smart enough to have figured that out.
Certain things don't register on looking, with my admittedly altered
brain. I'm smart enough to understand what Norton is doing on my end.
I just didn't have the thought of it at the time.
Norton is not running on this Mac. Thunderbird is. Thunderbird is also
on my Dell. What's your point?
| Sysop: | DaiTengu |
|---|---|
| Location: | Appleton, WI |
| Users: | 1,099 |
| Nodes: | 10 (0 / 10) |
| Uptime: | 492379:04:46 |
| Calls: | 14,106 |
| Calls today: | 2 |
| Files: | 187,124 |
| D/L today: |
2,546 files (1,099M bytes) |
| Messages: | 2,496,244 |