• Re: Apple has removed the applications from the office suite

    From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Apr 16 07:01:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store. Now, only the
    new versions from the Creator Studio suite can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app. Microsoft
    Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages over Word?
    The last time I used Pages back in the early 2000s, it was hardly a
    word processor, but it produced nice-looking documents. How has it
    changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't complain, but it
    would be nice to move away from it if there is a chance of doing so. I
    think my students would benefit from the documents I create no longer
    being so bland and straight to the point.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From Tom Elam@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Apr 16 13:17:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 4/15/26 8:57 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store. Now, only the
    new versions from the Creator Studio suite can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app. Microsoft
    Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages over Word?
    The last time I used Pages back in the early 2000s, it was hardly a
    word processor, but it produced nice-looking documents. How has it
    changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    Thanks Alan. I was thinking about giving up my Office 365 subscription.
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  • From Alan@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Apr 16 14:01:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store. Now, only the >>>>> new versions from the Creator Studio suite can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app. Microsoft
    Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages over Word?
    The last time I used Pages back in the early 2000s, it was hardly a
    word processor, but it produced nice-looking documents. How has it
    changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't complain, but it would be nice to move away from it if there is a chance of doing so. I
    think my students would benefit from the documents I create no longer
    being so bland and straight to the point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents with
    others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them as Word
    documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I don't
    think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for how
    "nice-looking" documents will be.
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Apr 16 19:37:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store. Now, only
    the new versions from the Creator Studio suite can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app. Microsoft >>>>> Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages over
    Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early 2000s, it was
    hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-looking documents. How
    has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't complain, but
    it would be nice to move away from it if there is a chance of doing
    so. I think my students would benefit from the documents I create no
    longer being so bland and straight to the point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents with
    others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I don't
    think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very beginning,
    makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and to manipulate it
    from within the document. Word does okay, but it's not as user-friendly.
    Snit actually showed this to us a long time ago in
    comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that the
    documents themselves are probably hard to share unless you do so as unchangeable PDFs.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From Alan@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Apr 16 16:49:21 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-16 16:37, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store.
    Now, only the new versions from the Creator Studio suite
    can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app.
    Microsoft Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages
    over Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early
    2000s, it was hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-
    looking documents. How has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't
    complain, but it would be nice to move away from it if there is
    a chance of doing so. I think my students would benefit from the
    documents I create no longer being so bland and straight to the
    point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents
    with others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them
    as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I
    don't think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for
    how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very
    beginning, makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and
    to manipulate it from within the document. Word does okay, but it's
    not as user-friendly. Snit actually showed this to us a long time
    ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that
    the documents themselves are probably hard to share unless you do so
    as unchangeable PDFs.


    I'll admit that I haven't played much with adding media to any Pages documents, but I do it all the time in Word.

    So how does Pages make it much easier than:

    Insert (menu): Pictures (sub-menu) >

    Photo Browser...
    Picture from File...
    Stock Images...
    Online Pictures...

    It also supports direct drag-and-drop.

    So how do you do it in Pages?
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Apr 16 20:25:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-16 7:49 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 16:37, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store.
    Now, only the new versions from the Creator Studio suite
    can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app.
    Microsoft Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages
    over Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early
    2000s, it was hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-
    looking documents. How has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't
    complain, but it would be nice to move away from it if there is
    a chance of doing so. I think my students would benefit from the
    documents I create no longer being so bland and straight to the
    point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents
    with others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them
    as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I
    don't think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for
    how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very
    beginning, makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and
    to manipulate it from within the document. Word does okay, but it's
    not as user-friendly. Snit actually showed this to us a long time
    ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that
    the documents themselves are probably hard to share unless you do so
    as unchangeable PDFs.


    I'll admit that I haven't played much with adding media to any Pages documents, but I do it all the time in Word.

    So how does Pages make it much easier than:

    Insert (menu): Pictures (sub-menu) >

    Photo Browser...
    Picture from File...
    Stock Images...
    Online Pictures...

    It also supports direct drag-and-drop.

    So how do you do it in Pages?

    As far as I know, it is entirely drag-and-drop and allows you to
    manipulate it however you wish using only your mouse. When the program
    was introduced in the 2000s, that was what was revolutionary about it.
    Of course, Snit is the one who knows the most about it. On my side, I'm
    just wondering if it's worth downloading or not.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From Tom Elam@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Thu Apr 16 22:19:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 4/16/26 5:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store. Now, only
    the new versions from the Creator Studio suite can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app. Microsoft >>>>> Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages over
    Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early 2000s, it was
    hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-looking documents. How
    has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't complain, but
    it would be nice to move away from it if there is a chance of doing
    so. I think my students would benefit from the documents I create no
    longer being so bland and straight to the point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents with
    others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I don't
    think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    Fair enough. Document compatibility and Windows were a major driver for
    Office and Windows when I was running the consulting business. All of my clients were on those and the Office subscription was tax deductible.
    Neither applies now. Things change, like Apple's incredible M series CPU
    tech. It's not smart to be dogmatic and stuck in your ways. Heck, Mac OS
    was not that hard to learn. Even for an 80 year old. :)

    Having already converted to Safari, Photos, iCloud and Apple Mail, with
    8 months before my Office subscription comes up for renewal, I'll
    probably give Apple's Office-like apps a try. :)
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  • From Brock McNuggets@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Apr 17 04:27:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store. Now, only >>>>>>> the new versions from the Creator Studio suite can be downloaded. >>>>>>

    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app. Microsoft >>>>>> Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages over
    Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early 2000s, it was
    hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-looking documents. How >>>>> has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't complain, but
    it would be nice to move away from it if there is a chance of doing
    so. I think my students would benefit from the documents I create no
    longer being so bland and straight to the point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents with
    others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them as Word
    documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I don't
    think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for how "nice-
    looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very beginning, makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and to manipulate it from within the document. Word does okay, but it's not as user-friendly. Snit actually showed this to us a long time ago in
    comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that the
    documents themselves are probably hard to share unless you do so as unchangeable PDFs.


    Hard to share to non Apple products. Agreed. Though you can share online
    and use the web version. Still, not the same as an open source standard. Definite benefits there.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Brock McNuggets@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Apr 17 04:27:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 16:37, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store.
    Now, only the new versions from the Creator Studio suite
    can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app.
    Microsoft Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages
    over Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early
    2000s, it was hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-
    looking documents. How has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't
    complain, but it would be nice to move away from it if there is
    a chance of doing so. I think my students would benefit from the
    documents I create no longer being so bland and straight to the
    point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents
    with others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them
    as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I
    don't think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for
    how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very
    beginning, makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and
    to manipulate it from within the document. Word does okay, but it's
    not as user-friendly. Snit actually showed this to us a long time
    ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that
    the documents themselves are probably hard to share unless you do so
    as unchangeable PDFs.


    I'll admit that I haven't played much with adding media to any Pages documents, but I do it all the time in Word.

    So how does Pages make it much easier than:

    Insert (menu): Pictures (sub-menu) >

    Photo Browser...
    Picture from File...
    Stock Images...
    Online Pictures...

    It also supports direct drag-and-drop.

    So how do you do it in Pages?


    Similar process but at least with older MS Office moving and resizing and
    the like was not nearly as smooth. You did have more options for styles and
    the like in Word.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Apr 17 08:44:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-16 10:19 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/16/26 5:01 PM, Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store. Now, only >>>>>>> the new versions from the Creator Studio suite can be downloaded. >>>>>>

    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app.
    Microsoft Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages over
    Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early 2000s, it was
    hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-looking documents.
    How has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't complain, but
    it would be nice to move away from it if there is a chance of doing
    so. I think my students would benefit from the documents I create no
    longer being so bland and straight to the point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents with
    others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them as Word
    documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I don't
    think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for how "nice-
    looking" documents will be.

    Fair enough. Document compatibility and Windows were a major driver for Office and Windows when I was running the consulting business. All of my clients were on those and the Office subscription was tax deductible. Neither applies now. Things change, like Apple's incredible M series CPU tech. It's not smart to be dogmatic and stuck in your ways. Heck, Mac OS
    was not that hard to learn. Even for an 80 year old. :)

    Certain parts are annoying, like applications not really closing when
    you press the red button, but that's quite fine. A lot of us appreciate
    that the application is gone from the screen yet still uses a minimal
    amount of memory to reload quickly when needed.

    Having already converted to Safari, Photos, iCloud and Apple Mail, with
    8 months before my Office subscription comes up for renewal, I'll
    probably give Apple's Office-like apps a try. :)

    I would be using Safari myself if it could be proven that I would get
    greater battery life from it over Brave. So far, the evidence suggests
    the contrary.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From Alan@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Apr 17 10:45:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-16 17:25, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 7:49 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 16:37, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store.
    Now, only the new versions from the Creator Studio suite
    can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app.
    Microsoft Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages
    over Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early
    2000s, it was hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-
    looking documents. How has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't
    complain, but it would be nice to move away from it if there is
    a chance of doing so. I think my students would benefit from the
    documents I create no longer being so bland and straight to the
    point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents
    with others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them
    as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I
    don't think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for
    how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very
    beginning, makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and
    to manipulate it from within the document. Word does okay, but it's
    not as user-friendly. Snit actually showed this to us a long time
    ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that
    the documents themselves are probably hard to share unless you do so
    as unchangeable PDFs.


    I'll admit that I haven't played much with adding media to any Pages
    documents, but I do it all the time in Word.

    So how does Pages make it much easier than:

    Insert (menu): Pictures (sub-menu) >

    Photo Browser...
    Picture from File...
    Stock Images...
    Online Pictures...

    It also supports direct drag-and-drop.

    So how do you do it in Pages?

    As far as I know, it is entirely drag-and-drop and allows you to
    manipulate it however you wish using only your mouse. When the program
    was introduced in the 2000s, that was what was revolutionary about it.

    Ummmmmm...no. Drag and drop manipulation for Word for Mac first started
    with Word 6.0...

    ...in 1994.

    Pages wasn't even released until 2005...

    ...and it's predecessor (AppleWorks) supported drag and drop...

    ...in 1994.

    Of course, Snit is the one who knows the most about it. On my side, I'm
    just wondering if it's worth downloading or not.
    Pages is free, so why wouldn't you give it a look?
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  • From Brock McNuggets@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Apr 17 18:23:07 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 17:25, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 7:49 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 16:37, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store.
    Now, only the new versions from the Creator Studio suite
    can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app.
    Microsoft Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages
    over Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early
    2000s, it was hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-
    looking documents. How has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't
    complain, but it would be nice to move away from it if there is
    a chance of doing so. I think my students would benefit from the
    documents I create no longer being so bland and straight to the
    point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents
    with others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them
    as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I
    don't think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for
    how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very
    beginning, makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and
    to manipulate it from within the document. Word does okay, but it's
    not as user-friendly. Snit actually showed this to us a long time
    ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that
    the documents themselves are probably hard to share unless you do so
    as unchangeable PDFs.


    I'll admit that I haven't played much with adding media to any Pages
    documents, but I do it all the time in Word.

    So how does Pages make it much easier than:

    Insert (menu): Pictures (sub-menu) >

    Photo Browser...
    Picture from File...
    Stock Images...
    Online Pictures...

    It also supports direct drag-and-drop.

    So how do you do it in Pages?

    As far as I know, it is entirely drag-and-drop and allows you to
    manipulate it however you wish using only your mouse. When the program
    was introduced in the 2000s, that was what was revolutionary about it.

    Ummmmmm...no. Drag and drop manipulation for Word for Mac first started
    with Word 6.0...

    ...in 1994.

    Pages wasn't even released until 2005...

    ...and it's predecessor (AppleWorks) supported drag and drop...

    ...in 1994.

    I realize the point that I made some time ago was not expressed well, but
    what you say there is not really relevant to the point I made.

    Of course, Snit is the one who knows the most about it. On my side, I'm
    just wondering if it's worth downloading or not.
    Pages is free, so why wouldn't you give it a look?

    Reasonable point. It does take some getting used to if you’ve come from
    word. And even after using it for years I can’t say I’m in love with the sidebar UI. But when it comes to doing things like adding images, it is incredibly smooth and allowing you to move them and drag them in real time. I’ve seen some challenges for really big documents, but it’s rare. I don’t
    know current Microsoft Word. I know in the past it was not nearly as
    smooth, but to its credit it gave you a lot more style options. It was certainly functional. LibreOffice had a lot of areas where it was a
    complete mess. Even then for the basics it did fine.
    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  • From Main Street@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Apr 17 23:59:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Brock McNuggets <[email protected]> wrote in news:69e27a8b$0$25$[email protected]:

    Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 17:25, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 7:49 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 16:37, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store.
    Now, only the new versions from the Creator Studio suite >>>>>>>>>>> can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app. >>>>>>>>>> Microsoft Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any >>>>>>>>> significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages
    over Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early
    2000s, it was hardly a word processor, but it produced nice- >>>>>>>>> looking documents. How has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't
    complain, but it would be nice to move away from it if there is
    a chance of doing so. I think my students would benefit from the >>>>>>> documents I create no longer being so bland and straight to the
    point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents
    with others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them
    as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I
    don't think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for
    how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very
    beginning, makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and
    to manipulate it from within the document. Word does okay, but
    it's not as user-friendly. Snit actually showed this to us a long
    time ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to
    agree that the documents themselves are probably hard to share
    unless you do so as unchangeable PDFs.


    I'll admit that I haven't played much with adding media to any
    Pages documents, but I do it all the time in Word.

    So how does Pages make it much easier than:

    Insert (menu): Pictures (sub-menu) >

    Photo Browser...
    Picture from File...
    Stock Images...
    Online Pictures...

    It also supports direct drag-and-drop.

    So how do you do it in Pages?

    As far as I know, it is entirely drag-and-drop and allows you to
    manipulate it however you wish using only your mouse. When the
    program was introduced in the 2000s, that was what was revolutionary
    about it.

    Ummmmmm...no. Drag and drop manipulation for Word for Mac first
    started with Word 6.0...

    ...in 1994.

    Pages wasn't even released until 2005...

    ...and it's predecessor (AppleWorks) supported drag and drop...

    ...in 1994.

    I realize the point that I made some time ago was not expressed well,
    but what you say there is not really relevant to the point I made.

    That's because you are a fucking retard who can't read worth a shit.
    Have you started those remedial reading classes yet?
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Fri Apr 17 20:48:45 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-17 1:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 17:25, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 7:49 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 16:37, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store.
    Now, only the new versions from the Creator Studio suite
    can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app.
    Microsoft Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any
    significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages
    over Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early
    2000s, it was hardly a word processor, but it produced nice-
    looking documents. How has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't
    complain, but it would be nice to move away from it if there is
    a chance of doing so. I think my students would benefit from the
    documents I create no longer being so bland and straight to the
    point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents
    with others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them
    as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I
    don't think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for
    how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very
    beginning, makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and
    to manipulate it from within the document. Word does okay, but it's
    not as user-friendly. Snit actually showed this to us a long time
    ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that
    the documents themselves are probably hard to share unless you do so
    as unchangeable PDFs.


    I'll admit that I haven't played much with adding media to any Pages
    documents, but I do it all the time in Word.

    So how does Pages make it much easier than:

    Insert (menu): Pictures (sub-menu) >

    Photo Browser...
    Picture from File...
    Stock Images...
    Online Pictures...

    It also supports direct drag-and-drop.

    So how do you do it in Pages?

    As far as I know, it is entirely drag-and-drop and allows you to
    manipulate it however you wish using only your mouse. When the program
    was introduced in the 2000s, that was what was revolutionary about it.

    Ummmmmm...no. Drag and drop manipulation for Word for Mac first started
    with Word 6.0...

    ...in 1994.

    Pages wasn't even released until 2005...

    ...and it's predecessor (AppleWorks) supported drag and drop...

    ...in 1994.

    Of course, Snit is the one who knows the most about it. On my side,
    I'm just wondering if it's worth downloading or not.
    Pages is free, so why wouldn't you give it a look?

    According to the reviews for Pages on the Apple app store, it seems that
    the new versions of Pages include a paywall for some functionality. I
    guess if I'm already getting Office 365 for free at work, I probably
    shouldn't bother with something that asks me to pay.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From Brock McNuggets@[email protected] to comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sat Apr 18 04:00:56 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
    On 2026-04-17 1:45 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 17:25, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 7:49 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 16:37, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 5:01 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-16 04:01, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 8:57 p.m., Alan wrote:
    On 2026-04-15 17:47, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-14 8:45 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/14/26 3:35 PM, MummyChunk wrote:
    🐈 A minor loss

    Pages, Numbers, and Keynote - from the Mac App Store.
    Now, only the new versions from the Creator Studio suite >>>>>>>>>>> can be downloaded.


    i still see Pages, Numbers and Keynote as individual app. >>>>>>>>>> Microsoft Excel, Word and PowerPoint right under those 3.

    Considering I'm a recent switcher to the Mac, are there any >>>>>>>>> significant advantages that would cause me to favour Pages
    over Word? The last time I used Pages back in the early
    2000s, it was hardly a word processor, but it produced nice- >>>>>>>>> looking documents. How has it changed?

    Thanks,


    Speaking as one who mostly despises Microsoft...

    ...I'd stick with Word.

    That bad? I get Office 365 for free from work and can't
    complain, but it would be nice to move away from it if there is
    a chance of doing so. I think my students would benefit from the >>>>>>> documents I create no longer being so bland and straight to the
    point.


    Ummmm...not so much "bad" as just not sufficiently widely used.

    If you use Pages, you're going to have to share those documents
    with others, and at some point, that's going to me providing them
    as Word documents in all likelihood.

    As far as making "bland" or "straight to the point" documents, I
    don't think Pages has any advantage OR disadvantage over Word for
    how "nice- looking" documents will be.

    That depends on how you look at it. Pages, even from the very
    beginning, makes it rather easy to add media to your documents and
    to manipulate it from within the document. Word does okay, but it's
    not as user-friendly. Snit actually showed this to us a long time
    ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy. Nevertheless, I do have to agree that >>>>> the documents themselves are probably hard to share unless you do so >>>>> as unchangeable PDFs.


    I'll admit that I haven't played much with adding media to any Pages
    documents, but I do it all the time in Word.

    So how does Pages make it much easier than:

    Insert (menu): Pictures (sub-menu) >

    Photo Browser...
    Picture from File...
    Stock Images...
    Online Pictures...

    It also supports direct drag-and-drop.

    So how do you do it in Pages?

    As far as I know, it is entirely drag-and-drop and allows you to
    manipulate it however you wish using only your mouse. When the program
    was introduced in the 2000s, that was what was revolutionary about it.

    Ummmmmm...no. Drag and drop manipulation for Word for Mac first started
    with Word 6.0...

    ...in 1994.

    Pages wasn't even released until 2005...

    ...and it's predecessor (AppleWorks) supported drag and drop...

    ...in 1994.

    Of course, Snit is the one who knows the most about it. On my side,
    I'm just wondering if it's worth downloading or not.
    Pages is free, so why wouldn't you give it a look?

    According to the reviews for Pages on the Apple app store, it seems that
    the new versions of Pages include a paywall for some functionality.

    It does β€” but not for any features that were already available.

    I
    guess if I'm already getting Office 365 for free at work, I probably shouldn't bother with something that asks me to pay.

    --
    Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
    cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
    somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

    They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
    --- Synchronet 3.21f-Linux NewsLink 1.2