• Does Brian Kernighan Use A Mac?

    From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 00:10:17 2026
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    Asked what his favourite distro is <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-distros-and-nixos/>:

    But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to
    open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the
    computer science department is running at any given moment. And I
    don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more
    helpful than that.”
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  • From Alan@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sat Apr 18 17:45:37 2026
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    On 2026-04-18 17:10, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    Asked what his favourite distro is <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-distros-and-nixos/>:

    But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to
    open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the
    computer science department is running at any given moment. And I
    don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more
    helpful than that.”

    If that is what it is "only" for...


    ...then ask yourself why he'd use it rather than, say...


    ...a Linux system.
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  • From Nick Charles to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sat Apr 18 22:42:19 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 4/18/2026 8:10 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    Asked what his favourite distro is <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-distros-and-nixos/>:

    But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to
    open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the
    computer science department is running at any given moment. And I
    don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more
    helpful than that.”

    So he does - in fact - own/use a Mac. Probably just does not want to
    be seen as "endorsing" any Linux distro-of-the-week.

    OTOH perhaps - being one of the creators of Unix - he wants to use an
    actual Unix machine.

    Not to mention the outstanding Arm hardware. Not crap Intel hardware.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 03:00:59 2026
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    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 22:42:19 -0400, Nick Charles wrote:

    OTOH perhaps - being one of the creators of Unix - he wants to use an
    actual Unix machine.

    The main creator of “actual Unix”, on the other hand <https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/unix-pioneer-ken-thompson-announces-hes-switching-from-mac-to-linux.88451/>:

    I have, for most of my life — because I was sort of born into it —
    run Apple.

    Now recently, meaning within the last five years, I've become more
    and more depressed, and what Apple is doing to something that
    should allow you to work is just atrocious. But they are taking a
    lot of space and time to do it, so it's okay.

    And I have come, within the last month or two, to say, even though
    I've invested, you know, a zillion years in Apple — I'm throwing
    it away. And I'm going to Linux. To Raspbian in particular.
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  • From rbowman@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 05:42:34 2026
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    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 03:00:59 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

    And I have come, within the last month or two, to say, even though
    I've invested, you know, a zillion years in Apple — I'm throwing it
    away. And I'm going to Linux. To Raspbian in particular.

    You have to do some searching to find Raspian Buster or older. The current Raspberry Pi OS is based on Debian Trixie.
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 06:46:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-18 8:10 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    Asked what his favourite distro is <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-distros-and-nixos/>:

    But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to
    open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the
    computer science department is running at any given moment. And I
    don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more
    helpful than that.”

    It's long been known that a good chunk of Linux developers use Macs as
    their daily drivers. I don't blame them since the battery life is
    stellar, and the computer's drain when it's put to sleep.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 07:01:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-18 11:00 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 22:42:19 -0400, Nick Charles wrote:

    OTOH perhaps - being one of the creators of Unix - he wants to use an
    actual Unix machine.

    The main creator of “actual Unix”, on the other hand <https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/unix-pioneer-ken-thompson-announces-hes-switching-from-mac-to-linux.88451/>:

    I have, for most of my life — because I was sort of born into it —
    run Apple.

    Now recently, meaning within the last five years, I've become more
    and more depressed, and what Apple is doing to something that
    should allow you to work is just atrocious. But they are taking a
    lot of space and time to do it, so it's okay.

    And I have come, within the last month or two, to say, even though
    I've invested, you know, a zillion years in Apple — I'm throwing
    it away. And I'm going to Linux. To Raspbian in particular.

    You mean the guy who created "actual UNIX" and only used Apple devices
    out of habit is planning to move to a platform resembling what he
    supposedly created?

    Unfathomable!
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 07:17:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-19 6:46 a.m., CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-18 8:10 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    Asked what his favourite distro is
    <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-
    distros-and-nixos/>:

         But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to >>      open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the
         computer science department is running at any given moment. And I >>      don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more >>      helpful than that.”

    It's long been known that a good chunk of Linux developers use Macs as
    their daily drivers. I don't blame them since the battery life is
    stellar, and the computer's drain when it's put to sleep.

    The computer _doesn't_ drain when it's put to sleep. Serious error
    there. Microsoft's Modern Standby is one of the worst technical blunders
    I've ever come across.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From Tom Elam@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 11:11:58 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 4/19/26 7:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-19 6:46 a.m., CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-18 8:10 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    Asked what his favourite distro is
    <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-
    distros-and-nixos/>:

         But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to >>>      open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the >>>      computer science department is running at any given moment. And I >>>      don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more >>>      helpful than that.”

    It's long been known that a good chunk of Linux developers use Macs as
    their daily drivers. I don't blame them since the battery life is
    stellar, and the computer's drain when it's put to sleep.

    The computer _doesn't_ drain when it's put to sleep. Serious error
    there. Microsoft's Modern Standby is one of the worst technical blunders I've ever come across.

    Do not EVER put a Intel Windows laptop into Modern Sleep then toss it
    into a briefcase. Shut it down. You will have an overheat or drain the
    battery to 0.
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  • From chrisv@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 13:17:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    Tom Elam wrote:

    Do not EVER put a Intel Windows laptop into Modern Sleep then toss it
    into a briefcase. Shut it down. You will have an overheat or drain the >battery to 0.

    What the heck is "Modern Sleep"? When traveling, I just close the lid
    and stick it my my bag, which does not allow for ventilation. I
    haven't had a problem.
    --
    'Merging? There goes choice! Right? I mean choice is good... why
    merge projects? I am mocking the "choice" mantra of the herd. But
    before there were two choices - now there is one.' - some ignorant,
    snotty thing, when Android merged with the mainline Linux kernel.
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  • From rbowman@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 18:35:25 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:46:47 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 8:10 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    Asked what his favourite distro is
    <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust- distros-and-nixos/>:

    But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to
    open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the
    computer science department is running at any given moment. And I
    don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more
    helpful than that.”

    It's long been known that a good chunk of Linux developers use Macs as
    their daily drivers. I don't blame them since the battery life is
    stellar, and the computer's drain when it's put to sleep.

    I would question how many developers work on a laptop that is not on AC
    power and plugged into a display. I'm not saying they do not use laptops
    or that a Mac has good battery life.
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  • From rbowman@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 18:38:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 07:01:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 11:00 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 22:42:19 -0400, Nick Charles wrote:

    OTOH perhaps - being one of the creators of Unix - he wants to use an
    actual Unix machine.

    The main creator of “actual Unix”, on the other hand
    <https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/unix-pioneer-ken-thompson- announces-hes-switching-from-mac-to-linux.88451/>:

    I have, for most of my life — because I was sort of born into it — >> run Apple.

    Now recently, meaning within the last five years, I've become more
    and more depressed, and what Apple is doing to something that
    should allow you to work is just atrocious. But they are taking a
    lot of space and time to do it, so it's okay.

    And I have come, within the last month or two, to say, even though
    I've invested, you know, a zillion years in Apple — I'm throwing
    it away. And I'm going to Linux. To Raspbian in particular.

    You mean the guy who created "actual UNIX" and only used Apple devices
    out of habit is planning to move to a platform resembling what he
    supposedly created?

    Unfathomable!

    Even better, since Raspbian was a Debian derivative optimized for the Raspberry Pi he replaced a rather expensive Mac with a SBC that went for
    under $100 at the time.



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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 20:45:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-19 11:11 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On 4/19/26 7:17 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-19 6:46 a.m., CrudeSausage wrote:
    On 2026-04-18 8:10 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    Asked what his favourite distro is
    <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-
    distros-and-nixos/>:

         But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to
         open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the >>>>      computer science department is running at any given moment. And I >>>>      don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more >>>>      helpful than that.”

    It's long been known that a good chunk of Linux developers use Macs
    as their daily drivers. I don't blame them since the battery life is
    stellar, and the computer's drain when it's put to sleep.

    The computer _doesn't_ drain when it's put to sleep. Serious error
    there. Microsoft's Modern Standby is one of the worst technical
    blunders I've ever come across.

    Do not EVER put a Intel Windows laptop into Modern Sleep then toss it
    into a briefcase. Shut it down. You will have an overheat or drain the battery to 0.

    Yep, which is why I very quickly set up my 2021 laptop to hibernate when
    the lid's closed and the AC is disconnected. However, even if you go to
    sleep while connected, the unit drains about four times what it should
    if you decide to disconnect and use it on battery when you wake. It's an absolute travesty, and manufacturers have no choice but to use it over
    S3. The mere fact that Apple doesn't have this idiotic suspend
    functionality is part of why anyone who cares about portability or
    battery life should _only_ consider a MacBook.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 20:52:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-19 2:17 p.m., chrisv wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    Do not EVER put a Intel Windows laptop into Modern Sleep then toss it
    into a briefcase. Shut it down. You will have an overheat or drain the
    battery to 0.

    What the heck is "Modern Sleep"?

    S0, to replace S3 or S2idle.

    When traveling, I just close the lid
    and stick it my my bag, which does not allow for ventilation. I
    haven't had a problem.

    If it's a modern Windows PC, it continues draining the battery when the
    lid is closed unless you set it up to hibernate. With Modern Standby,
    closing the lid doesn't actually suspend; it significantly lowers the
    power drain but it continues draining. It was implemented because wake
    from S3 sleep was too slow for some idiot in a suit, and they wanted
    instant on like on a cell phone.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 20:53:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-19 2:35 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:46:47 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 8:10 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    Asked what his favourite distro is
    <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-
    distros-and-nixos/>:

    But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to >>> open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the
    computer science department is running at any given moment. And I
    don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more
    helpful than that.”

    It's long been known that a good chunk of Linux developers use Macs as
    their daily drivers. I don't blame them since the battery life is
    stellar, and the computer's drain when it's put to sleep.

    I would question how many developers work on a laptop that is not on AC
    power and plugged into a display.

    Many. I reckon that a lot of people feel a lot more productive outside
    of their homes and far from an outlet.

    I'm not saying they do not use laptops
    or that a Mac has good battery life.

    Macs have _outstanding_ battery life.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Sun Apr 19 20:54:52 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-19 2:38 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 07:01:31 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 11:00 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 22:42:19 -0400, Nick Charles wrote:

    OTOH perhaps - being one of the creators of Unix - he wants to use an
    actual Unix machine.

    The main creator of “actual Unix”, on the other hand
    <https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/unix-pioneer-ken-thompson-
    announces-hes-switching-from-mac-to-linux.88451/>:

    I have, for most of my life — because I was sort of born into it —
    run Apple.

    Now recently, meaning within the last five years, I've become more >>> and more depressed, and what Apple is doing to something that
    should allow you to work is just atrocious. But they are taking a
    lot of space and time to do it, so it's okay.

    And I have come, within the last month or two, to say, even though >>> I've invested, you know, a zillion years in Apple — I'm throwing >>> it away. And I'm going to Linux. To Raspbian in particular.

    You mean the guy who created "actual UNIX" and only used Apple devices
    out of habit is planning to move to a platform resembling what he
    supposedly created?

    Unfathomable!

    Even better, since Raspbian was a Debian derivative optimized for the Raspberry Pi he replaced a rather expensive Mac with a SBC that went for under $100 at the time.

    All the power to him. I imagine that elegance, such as that provided by
    Apple hardware, was of no import to him.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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  • From rbowman@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Apr 20 02:51:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 20:53:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    Many. I reckon that a lot of people feel a lot more productive outside
    of their homes and far from an outlet.

    Yeah, I see a lot of people developing SPAs on mountain tops.
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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Apr 20 07:06:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    rbowman wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 06:46:47 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    On 2026-04-18 8:10 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
    Asked what his favourite distro is
    <https://thenewstack.io/unix-co-creator-brian-kernighan-on-rust-
    distros-and-nixos/>:

    But then he said honestly that while he uses a Mac, it’s only to
    open a bunch of terminal windows “to whatever Linux system the
    computer science department is running at any given moment. And I
    don’t even know what it is. So, uh — sorry! I can’t be more
    helpful than that.”

    It's long been known that a good chunk of Linux developers use Macs as
    their daily drivers. I don't blame them since the battery life is
    stellar, and the computer's drain when it's put to sleep.

    I would question how many developers work on a laptop that is not on AC power and plugged into a display. I'm not saying they do not use laptops
    or that a Mac has good battery life.

    While I'm drinking my coffee in preparation for a morning massive,
    I'm on this Lenovo, either ssh'ing into the mini PC or working on
    code.

    The battery life on the Lenovo Flex 14 is very good.

    The only issue I have is that sometimes systemd wants to delay
    shutdown for 1.5 minutes. I fixed that one time, but an update
    undid the fix.
    --
    Tagline, you're it!
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  • From CrudeSausage@[email protected] to comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy on Mon Apr 20 09:05:43 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.sys.mac.advocacy

    On 2026-04-19 10:51 p.m., rbowman wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Apr 2026 20:53:57 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

    Many. I reckon that a lot of people feel a lot more productive outside
    of their homes and far from an outlet.

    Yeah, I see a lot of people developing SPAs on mountain tops.

    The funny part about your statement is that a MacBook user, if he wanted
    to, could actually do so. Meanwhile, a laptop running Linux or Windows
    would be drained before he even got there because of Modern Standby.
    --
    CrudeSausage
    M4 MacBook Air
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