https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/how-apple-became-a-4- trillion-company-under-tim-cook.html
"Introduced by Mr. Jobs in 2007, the iPhone started the smartphone revolution, changing the way people work, socialize and travel. But
Apple was selling only 72 million iPhones a year when Mr. Jobs died and
Mr. Cook took over.
"Two years later, Mr. Cook struck a deal with China’s largest wireless company, China Mobile. By the end of that year, Apple had more than
doubled the number of iPhones it sold, and China was cementing itself as
the company’s largest market after the United States."
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
at the very least.
On 4/21/26 11:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more customizable,
at the very least.
Ye, you can change background image.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/how-apple-became-a-4-
trillion-company-under-tim-cook.html
"Introduced by Mr. Jobs in 2007, the iPhone started the smartphone
revolution, changing the way people work, socialize and travel. But
Apple was selling only 72 million iPhones a year when Mr. Jobs died
and Mr. Cook took over.
"Two years later, Mr. Cook struck a deal with China’s largest wireless
company, China Mobile. By the end of that year, Apple had more than
doubled the number of iPhones it sold, and China was cementing itself
as the company’s largest market after the United States."
The understanding here is that while Jobs was the man who would take an
idea and make it stellar, Cook is the one who made sure that things got sold. Either way, it looks like Cook did a pretty good job.
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for
certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find that
for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more customizable,
at the very least.
On 4/21/2026 5:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/how-apple-became-a-4-
trillion-company-under-tim-cook.html
"Introduced by Mr. Jobs in 2007, the iPhone started the smartphone
revolution, changing the way people work, socialize and travel. But
Apple was selling only 72 million iPhones a year when Mr. Jobs died
and Mr. Cook took over.
"Two years later, Mr. Cook struck a deal with China’s largest wireless >>> company, China Mobile. By the end of that year, Apple had more than
doubled the number of iPhones it sold, and China was cementing itself
as the company’s largest market after the United States."
The understanding here is that while Jobs was the man who would take an
idea and make it stellar, Cook is the one who made sure that things got
sold. Either way, it looks like Cook did a pretty good job.
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for
certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find that
for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more customizable,
at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
Joel W. Crump wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 4/21/2026 5:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for
certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find that
for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more customizable,
at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what way is Windows 11 the "state of the art"?
I mean, apart from its numerical dominance.
On 4/21/2026 5:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/how-apple-became-a-4-
trillion-company-under-tim-cook.html
"Introduced by Mr. Jobs in 2007, the iPhone started the smartphone
revolution, changing the way people work, socialize and travel. But
Apple was selling only 72 million iPhones a year when Mr. Jobs died
and Mr. Cook took over.
"Two years later, Mr. Cook struck a deal with China’s largest
wireless company, China Mobile. By the end of that year, Apple had
more than doubled the number of iPhones it sold, and China was
cementing itself as the company’s largest market after the United
States."
The understanding here is that while Jobs was the man who would take
an idea and make it stellar, Cook is the one who made sure that things
got sold. Either way, it looks like Cook did a pretty good job.
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for
certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find
that for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more
customizable, at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for >>>> certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find
that for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more
customizable, at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
Ask your boyfriend to buy you a Mac so that you can have a go at it
while he's sodomizing you. You might end up liking it a lot better than
the garbage you bought only because it was all you could afford.
On 4/22/2026 12:48 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy
for certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find
that for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more
customizable, at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
Ask your boyfriend to buy you a Mac so that you can have a go at it
while he's sodomizing you. You might end up liking it a lot better
than the garbage you bought only because it was all you could afford.
If you like your Mac, I don't have an issue with that. As for what my
mini PC cost, it's all I need, that's the point. Why would I pay Apple prices if I don't even want their shit?
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy >>>>>> for certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find
that for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more
customizable, at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really
is the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
Ask your boyfriend to buy you a Mac so that you can have a go at it
while he's sodomizing you. You might end up liking it a lot better
than the garbage you bought only because it was all you could afford.
If you like your Mac, I don't have an issue with that. As for what my
mini PC cost, it's all I need, that's the point. Why would I pay
Apple prices if I don't even want their shit?
Because you'd feel like a man for the first time in your life?
Joel W. Crump wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what way is Windows 11 the "state of the art"?
I mean, apart from its numerical dominance.
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what way is Windows 11 the "state of the art"?
I mean, apart from its numerical dominance.
It's state of the art spyware, man! What other OS saves snapshots of
what you're doing all the time? What other OS scans all of your files
to see what's inside of them? What other OS demands home users have
an account with the mothership and log in every time you to use it?
What other OS continually berates you to upload your files into their "cloud"?
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what way is Windows 11 the "state of the art"?
I mean, apart from its numerical dominance.
It's state of the art spyware, man! What other OS saves snapshots of
what you're doing all the time? What other OS scans all of your files
to see what's inside of them? What other OS demands home users have
an account with the mothership and log in every time you to use it?
What other OS continually berates you to upload your files into their "cloud"?
On 4/22/2026 3:02 PM, chrisv wrote:
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is >>>> the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what way is Windows 11 the "state of the art"?
I mean, apart from its numerical dominance.
It's state of the art spyware, man! What other OS saves snapshots of
what you're doing all the time? What other OS scans all of your files
to see what's inside of them? What other OS demands home users have
an account with the mothership and log in every time you to use it?
What other OS continually berates you to upload your files into their
"cloud"?
I don't see why MS would use their "spyware" to do anything that would
harm me. Obviously we're entrusting them with a lot, but they have a corporate identity to make me feel secure, that they can be trusted.
On 2026-04-22 3:06 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 3:02 PM, chrisv wrote:
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is >>>>> the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what way is Windows 11 the "state of the art"?
I mean, apart from its numerical dominance.
It's state of the art spyware, man! What other OS saves snapshots of
what you're doing all the time? What other OS scans all of your files
to see what's inside of them? What other OS demands home users have
an account with the mothership and log in every time you to use it?
What other OS continually berates you to upload your files into their
"cloud"?
I don't see why MS would use their "spyware" to do anything that would
harm me. Obviously we're entrusting them with a lot, but they have a
corporate identity to make me feel secure, that they can be trusted.
They encourage you to encrypt your storage with Bitlocker, but make you
say the decryption key to the cloud by default. Since they know what you
do on your computer (since things are saved to OneDrive by default),
they can communicate with the authorities and then provide them with the
key to decrypt your data. It is something they have already done in the past. Since the definition of what is acceptable speech changes every
day and with countries like Britain and Canada implemented hate speech
laws for what you say online, it's a matter of time before Officer
Dipshit McGee knocks on your dad because you don't believe their narrative.
On 2026-04-22 3:06 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 3:02 PM, chrisv wrote:
It's state of the art spyware, man! What other OS saves snapshots of
what you're doing all the time? What other OS scans all of your files
to see what's inside of them? What other OS demands home users have
an account with the mothership and log in every time you to use it?
What other OS continually berates you to upload your files into their
"cloud"?
I don't see why MS would use their "spyware" to do anything that would
harm me. Obviously we're entrusting them with a lot, but they have a
corporate identity to make me feel secure, that they can be trusted.
They encourage you to encrypt your storage with Bitlocker, but make you
say the decryption key to the cloud by default. Since they know what you
do on your computer (since things are saved to OneDrive by default),
they can communicate with the authorities and then provide them with the
key to decrypt your data. It is something they have already done in the past. Since the definition of what is acceptable speech changes every
day and with countries like Britain and Canada implemented hate speech
laws for what you say online, it's a matter of time before Officer
Dipshit McGee knocks on your dad because you don't believe their narrative.
On 4/22/2026 3:11 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-04-22 3:06 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 3:02 PM, chrisv wrote:
It's state of the art spyware, man! What other OS saves snapshots of >>>> what you're doing all the time? What other OS scans all of your files >>>> to see what's inside of them? What other OS demands home users have
an account with the mothership and log in every time you to use it?
What other OS continually berates you to upload your files into their
"cloud"?
I don't see why MS would use their "spyware" to do anything that
would harm me. Obviously we're entrusting them with a lot, but they
have a corporate identity to make me feel secure, that they can be
trusted.
They encourage you to encrypt your storage with Bitlocker, but make
you say the decryption key to the cloud by default. Since they know
what you do on your computer (since things are saved to OneDrive by
default), they can communicate with the authorities and then provide
them with the key to decrypt your data. It is something they have
already done in the past. Since the definition of what is acceptable
speech changes every day and with countries like Britain and Canada
implemented hate speech laws for what you say online, it's a matter of
time before Officer Dipshit McGee knocks on your dad because you don't
believe their narrative.
I have nothing to hide.
On 2026-04-22 3:39 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 3:11 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-04-22 3:06 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 3:02 PM, chrisv wrote:
It's state of the art spyware, man! What other OS saves snapshots of >>>>> what you're doing all the time? What other OS scans all of your files >>>>> to see what's inside of them? What other OS demands home users have >>>>> an account with the mothership and log in every time you to use it?
What other OS continually berates you to upload your files into their >>>>> "cloud"?
I don't see why MS would use their "spyware" to do anything that
would harm me. Obviously we're entrusting them with a lot, but they >>>> have a corporate identity to make me feel secure, that they can be
trusted.
They encourage you to encrypt your storage with Bitlocker, but make
you say the decryption key to the cloud by default. Since they know
what you do on your computer (since things are saved to OneDrive by
default), they can communicate with the authorities and then provide
them with the key to decrypt your data. It is something they have
already done in the past. Since the definition of what is acceptable
speech changes every day and with countries like Britain and Canada
implemented hate speech laws for what you say online, it's a matter
of time before Officer Dipshit McGee knocks on your dad because you
don't believe their narrative.
I have nothing to hide.
Neither did the Germans when the Nazi government told them about the surveillance.
I don't see why MS would use their "spyware" to do anything that
would harm me.� Obviously we're entrusting them with a lot, but they
have a corporate identity to make me feel secure, that they can be
trusted.
They encourage you to encrypt your storage with Bitlocker, but make
you say the decryption key to the cloud by default. Since they know
what you do on your computer (since things are saved to OneDrive by
default), they can communicate with the authorities and then provide
them with the key to decrypt your data. It is something they have
already done in the past. Since the definition of what is acceptable
speech changes every day and with countries like Britain and Canada
implemented hate speech laws for what you say online, it's a matter of
time before Officer Dipshit McGee knocks on your dad because you don't
believe their narrative.
I have nothing to hide.
Neither did the Germans when the Nazi government told them about the >surveillance.
CrudeSausage wrote:
I don't see why MS would use their "spyware" to do anything that
would harm me. Obviously we're entrusting them with a lot, but they >>>>> have a corporate identity to make me feel secure, that they can be
trusted.
They encourage you to encrypt your storage with Bitlocker, but make
you say the decryption key to the cloud by default. Since they know
what you do on your computer (since things are saved to OneDrive by
default), they can communicate with the authorities and then provide
them with the key to decrypt your data. It is something they have
already done in the past. Since the definition of what is acceptable
speech changes every day and with countries like Britain and Canada
implemented hate speech laws for what you say online, it's a matter of >>>> time before Officer Dipshit McGee knocks on your dad because you don't >>>> believe their narrative.
I have nothing to hide.
Neither did the Germans when the Nazi government told them about the
surveillance.
Joel's record of being wrong about just about everything is intact.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/how-apple-became-a-4- trillion-company-under-tim-cook.html
"Introduced by Mr. Jobs in 2007, the iPhone started the smartphone revolution, changing the way people work, socialize and travel. But
Apple was selling only 72 million iPhones a year when Mr. Jobs died and
Mr. Cook took over.
"Two years later, Mr. Cook struck a deal with China’s largest wireless company, China Mobile. By the end of that year, Apple had more than
doubled the number of iPhones it sold, and China was cementing itself as
the company’s largest market after the United States."
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
On 4/21/2026 5:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/how-apple-became-a-4-
trillion-company-under-tim-cook.html
"Introduced by Mr. Jobs in 2007, the iPhone started the smartphone
revolution, changing the way people work, socialize and travel. But
Apple was selling only 72 million iPhones a year when Mr. Jobs died
and Mr. Cook took over.
"Two years later, Mr. Cook struck a deal with China’s largest
wireless company, China Mobile. By the end of that year, Apple had
more than doubled the number of iPhones it sold, and China was
cementing itself as the company’s largest market after the United
States."
The understanding here is that while Jobs was the man who would take
an idea and make it stellar, Cook is the one who made sure that things
got sold. Either way, it looks like Cook did a pretty good job.
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for
certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find
that for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more
customizable, at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
On 4/22/2026 8:23 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 4/21/2026 5:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for >>>>> certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find that >>>> for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more customizable, >>>> at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what way is Windows 11 the "state of the art"?
I mean, apart from its numerical dominance.
It's the state of the art within the realm of MS's products, just as the Debian installation I had on the previous mini PC was that of Linux
distros.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/how-apple-became-a-4-
trillion-company-under-tim-cook.html
"Introduced by Mr. Jobs in 2007, the iPhone started the smartphone
revolution, changing the way people work, socialize and travel. But
Apple was selling only 72 million iPhones a year when Mr. Jobs died
and Mr. Cook took over.
"Two years later, Mr. Cook struck a deal with China’s largest wireless
company, China Mobile. By the end of that year, Apple had more than
doubled the number of iPhones it sold, and China was cementing itself
as the company’s largest market after the United States."
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for
certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
He was very good at it...
...because he led Apple to create products that people want and to do so
at increasingly more competitive prices.
And "only 72 million", doofus?
The iPhone 4s, which was released just one day before Steve Jobs died,
went on to push iPhone sales in the next year to 125 million...
...and that wasn't anything to do with Tim Cook taking over.
And the Mac is used by far, more than "nerds", doofus.
The fact of the matter is that compared Windows users, Mac users have a higher level of education and higher incomes.
Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" than
macOS?
On 2026-04-22 05:29, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 8:23 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 4/21/2026 5:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for >>>>>> certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find
that
for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more
customizable,
at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is >>>> the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what way is Windows 11 the "state of the art"?
I mean, apart from its numerical dominance.
It's the state of the art within the realm of MS's products, just as
the Debian installation I had on the previous mini PC was that of
Linux distros.
Do you even understand what you just wrote?
On 4/22/2026 3:42 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-04-22 3:39 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 3:11 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-04-22 3:06 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 3:02 PM, chrisv wrote:
It's state of the art spyware, man! What other OS saves snapshots of >>>>>> what you're doing all the time? What other OS scans all of your >>>>>> files
to see what's inside of them? What other OS demands home users have >>>>>> an account with the mothership and log in every time you to use it? >>>>>> What other OS continually berates you to upload your files into their >>>>>> "cloud"?
I don't see why MS would use their "spyware" to do anything that
would harm me. Obviously we're entrusting them with a lot, but
they have a corporate identity to make me feel secure, that they
can be trusted.
They encourage you to encrypt your storage with Bitlocker, but make
you say the decryption key to the cloud by default. Since they know
what you do on your computer (since things are saved to OneDrive by
default), they can communicate with the authorities and then provide
them with the key to decrypt your data. It is something they have
already done in the past. Since the definition of what is acceptable
speech changes every day and with countries like Britain and Canada
implemented hate speech laws for what you say online, it's a matter
of time before Officer Dipshit McGee knocks on your dad because you
don't believe their narrative.
I have nothing to hide.
Neither did the Germans when the Nazi government told them about the
surveillance.
And yet people like you are all too quick to give Hitler another chance, with DJT being a two-term president.
It's weird. I even got caught up
in it, thanks to the Democrats' lame-ass scheme, Biden supposedly
running for reelection, and flailing at the debate - I was ready to just accept that Trump would win, watching it. It was clearly meant to set
up Harris replacing him, why she couldn't have done that by running in primaries I will never know. It was a stupid strategy, because the campaign wasn't complete. It's almost inevitable Trump would win, given the way it all played out.
On 4/22/2026 4:19 PM, chrisv wrote:
CrudeSausage wrote:
I don't see why MS would use their "spyware" to do anything that
would harm me. Obviously we're entrusting them with a lot, but they >>>>>> have a corporate identity to make me feel secure, that they can be >>>>>> trusted.
They encourage you to encrypt your storage with Bitlocker, but make
you say the decryption key to the cloud by default. Since they know
what you do on your computer (since things are saved to OneDrive by
default), they can communicate with the authorities and then provide >>>>> them with the key to decrypt your data. It is something they have
already done in the past. Since the definition of what is acceptable >>>>> speech changes every day and with countries like Britain and Canada
implemented hate speech laws for what you say online, it's a matter of >>>>> time before Officer Dipshit McGee knocks on your dad because you don't >>>>> believe their narrative.
I have nothing to hide.
Neither did the Germans when the Nazi government told them about the
surveillance.
Joel's record of being wrong about just about everything is intact.
Oh yeah, little man? Where's your evidence that Microsoft is exploiting me?
You're a paranoid little peon. Get a fucking clue, Chris,
Microsoft isn't out to get you. Sheesh.
On 2026-04-22 05:13, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/21/2026 5:37 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/how-apple-became-a-4-
trillion-company-under-tim-cook.html
"Introduced by Mr. Jobs in 2007, the iPhone started the smartphone
revolution, changing the way people work, socialize and travel. But
Apple was selling only 72 million iPhones a year when Mr. Jobs died
and Mr. Cook took over.
"Two years later, Mr. Cook struck a deal with China’s largest
wireless company, China Mobile. By the end of that year, Apple had
more than doubled the number of iPhones it sold, and China was
cementing itself as the company’s largest market after the United
States."
The understanding here is that while Jobs was the man who would take
an idea and make it stellar, Cook is the one who made sure that
things got sold. Either way, it looks like Cook did a pretty good job.
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for >>>> certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
While there are things that Windows does better than MacOS, I find
that for most purposes, MacOS is a lot better. It's a lot more
customizable, at the very least.
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" than
macOS?
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Joel W. Crump wrote:
I don't begrudge anyone their choice. But Win11 like Linux really is
the state of the art, macOS and BSD are "other" to me.
In what way is Windows 11 the "state of the art"?
I mean, apart from its numerical dominance.
It's state of the art spyware, man! What other OS saves snapshots of
what you're doing all the time? What other OS scans all of your files
to see what's inside of them? What other OS demands home users have
an account with the mothership and log in every time you to use it?
What other OS continually berates you to upload your files into their "cloud"?
The fact of the matter is that compared Windows users, Mac users have
a higher level of education and higher incomes.
OK, but if you compare educated users of both systems, the Windows
people are superior.
On 4/22/2026 6:30 PM, Alan wrote:
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD are
"other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" than
macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
I have nothing to hide.
Neither did the Germans when the Nazi government told them about the
surveillance.
And yet people like you are all too quick to give Hitler another
chance, with DJT being a two-term president.
Where is the logic in this sentence?
It's weird. I even got caught up in it, thanks to the Democrats'
lame-ass scheme, Biden supposedly running for reelection, and flailing
at the debate - I was ready to just accept that Trump would win,
watching it. It was clearly meant to set up Harris replacing him, why
she couldn't have done that by running in primaries I will never
know. It was a stupid strategy, because the campaign wasn't
complete. It's almost inevitable Trump would win, given the way it
all played out.
Why the Democrats thought that running a retard against Trump would lead
to victory is beyond me. They managed it once in 2020, but at least the retard seemed lovable. Even then, they required extensive cheating to achieve victory. That said, the votes from 2020 to 2024 were almost identical minus 3,000,000 votes which didn't magically appear for Biden overnight. I wonder where those 3,000,000 people went.
On 2026-04-22 4:33 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 4:19 PM, chrisv wrote:
Joel's record of being wrong about just about everything is intact.
Oh yeah, little man? Where's your evidence that Microsoft is
exploiting me?
It's called telemetry. It's in almost every application in Microsoft
Windows 11 and everyone on the planet is aware of it. Somehow, this
escaped you.
You're a paranoid little peon. Get a fucking clue, Chris, Microsoft
isn't out to get you. Sheesh.
They might not be out to get him... yet. If he suddenly becomes a
problem, they'll have way more than enough information to take him down.
It would be the same for you if you weren't born to be of no consequence.
The fact of the matter is that compared Windows users, Mac users have
a higher level of education and higher incomes.
OK, but if you compare educated users of both systems, the Windows
people are superior.
Some Windows users know how the operating system works better than MacOS users. However, the majority of Windows users are clueless and need
someone to help them out of a jam on a repeated basis. In MacOS's case,
I am sure that a lot of the users have no idea about the ins and outs of
the system. The reason for that is because they don't _need_ to learn
it. After all, the system just works. Whatever knowledge Windows users
gain in learning how to fix the operating system is matched by Mac users learning how to actually _do_ things like manipulate photos, edit videos
or compose music.
Whether it is more useful to know how to fix a computer or actually accomplish things with it is a matter of opinion.
On 4/22/2026 7:11 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
I have nothing to hide.
Neither did the Germans when the Nazi government told them about the
surveillance.
And yet people like you are all too quick to give Hitler another
chance, with DJT being a two-term president.
Where is the logic in this sentence?
Pres. Trump is the reincarnation of Hitler.
It's weird. I even got caught up in it, thanks to the Democrats'
lame-ass scheme, Biden supposedly running for reelection, and
flailing at the debate - I was ready to just accept that Trump would
win, watching it. It was clearly meant to set up Harris replacing
him, why she couldn't have done that by running in primaries I will
never know. It was a stupid strategy, because the campaign wasn't
complete. It's almost inevitable Trump would win, given the way it
all played out.
Why the Democrats thought that running a retard against Trump would
lead to victory is beyond me. They managed it once in 2020, but at
least the retard seemed lovable. Even then, they required extensive
cheating to achieve victory. That said, the votes from 2020 to 2024
were almost identical minus 3,000,000 votes which didn't magically
appear for Biden overnight. I wonder where those 3,000,000 people went.
Harris would've been a great president. 2020 wasn't stolen.ROFL.
On 4/22/2026 7:13 PM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-04-22 4:33 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 4:19 PM, chrisv wrote:
Joel's record of being wrong about just about everything is intact.
Oh yeah, little man? Where's your evidence that Microsoft is
exploiting me?
It's called telemetry. It's in almost every application in Microsoft
Windows 11 and everyone on the planet is aware of it. Somehow, this
escaped you.
Uh huh, you act like they pore over this information, no, it's just
computer algorithms analyzing a broad array of data. Who the fuck cares.
You're a paranoid little peon. Get a fucking clue, Chris, Microsoft
isn't out to get you. Sheesh.
They might not be out to get him... yet. If he suddenly becomes a
problem, they'll have way more than enough information to take him
down. It would be the same for you if you weren't born to be of no
consequence.
You still don't get that I'm Jesus?
I have nothing to hide.
Neither did the Germans when the Nazi government told them about
the surveillance.
And yet people like you are all too quick to give Hitler another
chance, with DJT being a two-term president.
Where is the logic in this sentence?
Pres. Trump is the reincarnation of Hitler.
One side of the leftist's mouth claims that Trump is Hitler, the other claims that he's a slave to Israel. There is no logic in these people.
It's weird. I even got caught up in it, thanks to the Democrats'
lame-ass scheme, Biden supposedly running for reelection, and
flailing at the debate - I was ready to just accept that Trump would
win, watching it. It was clearly meant to set up Harris replacing
him, why she couldn't have done that by running in primaries I will
never know. It was a stupid strategy, because the campaign wasn't
complete. It's almost inevitable Trump would win, given the way it
all played out.
Why the Democrats thought that running a retard against Trump would
lead to victory is beyond me. They managed it once in 2020, but at
least the retard seemed lovable. Even then, they required extensive
cheating to achieve victory. That said, the votes from 2020 to 2024
were almost identical minus 3,000,000 votes which didn't magically
appear for Biden overnight. I wonder where those 3,000,000 people went.
Harris would've been a great president. 2020 wasn't stolen.
ROFL.
On 4/22/2026 6:30 PM, Alan wrote:
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD are
"other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" than
macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
On 4/22/2026 6:29 PM, Alan wrote:
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/how-apple-became-a-4-
trillion-company-under-tim-cook.html
"Introduced by Mr. Jobs in 2007, the iPhone started the smartphone
revolution, changing the way people work, socialize and travel. But
Apple was selling only 72 million iPhones a year when Mr. Jobs died
and Mr. Cook took over.
"Two years later, Mr. Cook struck a deal with China’s largest
wireless company, China Mobile. By the end of that year, Apple had
more than doubled the number of iPhones it sold, and China was
cementing itself as the company’s largest market after the United
States."
Apple sure found their real niche. The Mac remains a prized toy for
certain nerds, but the iPhone made them a real corporation.
He was very good at it...
...because he led Apple to create products that people want and to do
so at increasingly more competitive prices.
And "only 72 million", doofus?
That was a quote of the Times' article, "doofus".
The iPhone 4s, which was released just one day before Steve Jobs died,
went on to push iPhone sales in the next year to 125 million...
...and that wasn't anything to do with Tim Cook taking over.
And the Mac is used by far, more than "nerds", doofus.
Yeah, big whoop. The point is that people who don't want crapware made
by brain-damaged people don't buy Apple products.
The fact of the matter is that compared Windows users, Mac users have
a higher level of education and higher incomes.
OK, but if you compare educated users of both systems, the WindowsShow us where you learned this...
people are superior.
On 2026-04-22 6:43 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:As someone who supports computer users for a living, i can attest to the
< snipped for brevity >
The fact of the matter is that compared Windows users, Mac users have
a higher level of education and higher incomes.
OK, but if you compare educated users of both systems, the Windows
people are superior.
Some Windows users know how the operating system works better than MacOS users. However, the majority of Windows users are clueless and need
someone to help them out of a jam on a repeated basis. In MacOS's case,
I am sure that a lot of the users have no idea about the ins and outs of
the system. The reason for that is because they don't _need_ to learn
it. After all, the system just works. Whatever knowledge Windows users
gain in learning how to fix the operating system is matched by Mac users learning how to actually _do_ things like manipulate photos, edit videos
or compose music.
Whether it is more useful to know how to fix a computer or actually accomplish things with it is a matter of opinion.
On 2026-04-22 16:20, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-04-22 6:43 p.m., Joel W. Crump wrote:As someone who supports computer users for a living, i can attest to the truth of this.
< snipped for brevity >
The fact of the matter is that compared Windows users, Mac users have >>>> a higher level of education and higher incomes.
OK, but if you compare educated users of both systems, the Windows
people are superior.
Some Windows users know how the operating system works better than
MacOS users. However, the majority of Windows users are clueless and
need someone to help them out of a jam on a repeated basis. In MacOS's
case, I am sure that a lot of the users have no idea about the ins and
outs of the system. The reason for that is because they don't _need_
to learn it. After all, the system just works. Whatever knowledge
Windows users gain in learning how to fix the operating system is
matched by Mac users learning how to actually _do_ things like
manipulate photos, edit videos or compose music.
Whether it is more useful to know how to fix a computer or actually accomplish things with it is a matter of opinion.
Not in my opinion.
A computer is a tool for getting other things done.
A tool that requires you to spend more time making the tool work
properly is a poorer tool.
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD are
"other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" than
macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
That is completely avoiding the question.
Well done!
On 4/22/2026 9:26 PM, Alan wrote:
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD are
"other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art"
than macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
That is completely avoiding the question.
Well done!
If you prefer macOS, I don't begrudge you that. But it is less cutting edge.
The iPhone 4s, which was released just one day before Steve Jobs
died, went on to push iPhone sales in the next year to 125 million...
...and that wasn't anything to do with Tim Cook taking over.
And the Mac is used by far, more than "nerds", doofus.
Yeah, big whoop. The point is that people who don't want crapware
made by brain-damaged people don't buy Apple products.
Up your meds.
The fact of the matter is that compared Windows users, Mac users have
a higher level of education and higher incomes.
OK, but if you compare educated users of both systems, the Windows
people are superior.
Show us where you learned this...
On 4/22/2026 9:27 PM, Alan wrote:
The iPhone 4s, which was released just one day before Steve Jobs
died, went on to push iPhone sales in the next year to 125 million...
...and that wasn't anything to do with Tim Cook taking over.
And the Mac is used by far, more than "nerds", doofus.
Yeah, big whoop. The point is that people who don't want crapware
made by brain-damaged people don't buy Apple products.
Up your meds.
I take 10 mg of olanzapine, it's a full hit.
The fact of the matter is that compared Windows users, Mac users
have a higher level of education and higher incomes.
OK, but if you compare educated users of both systems, the Windows
people are superior.
Show us where you learned this...
It's self-evident, Apple serves the brain-damaged ones, Microsoft serves
the people with a clue.
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD are >>>>>> "other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art"
than macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
That is completely avoiding the question.
Well done!
If you prefer macOS, I don't begrudge you that. But it is less
cutting edge.
In ways you are utterly unable to articulate.
Name ONE THING...
...just ONE!!!...
...that is more "cutting edge" about Windows 11.
Apple serves the brain-damaged ones, Microsoft
serves the people with a clue.
So you can't show anything concrete.
NOT
ONE
THING.
On 4/22/2026 10:02 PM, Alan wrote:
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD
are "other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art"
than macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
That is completely avoiding the question.
Well done!
If you prefer macOS, I don't begrudge you that. But it is less
cutting edge.
In ways you are utterly unable to articulate.
Name ONE THING...
...just ONE!!!...
...that is more "cutting edge" about Windows 11.
Microsoft is a leader, Apple is not. They led with the iPhone and iPad, though.
On 4/22/2026 10:34 PM, Alan wrote:
Apple serves the brain-damaged ones, Microsoft serves the people with
a clue.
So you can't show anything concrete.
NOT
ONE
THING.
macOS doesn't have the nifty feel of Windows or Linux, it expects one to
be satisfied with a dull expression of technology.
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD >>>>>>>> are "other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" >>>>>>> than macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
That is completely avoiding the question.
Well done!
If you prefer macOS, I don't begrudge you that. But it is less
cutting edge.
In ways you are utterly unable to articulate.
Name ONE THING...
...just ONE!!!...
...that is more "cutting edge" about Windows 11.
Microsoft is a leader, Apple is not. They led with the iPhone and
iPad, though.
You have nothing.
Challenged to produce a single concrete example.
You.
Have.
Nothing
Apple serves the brain-damaged ones, Microsoft serves the people
with a clue.
So you can't show anything concrete.
NOT
ONE
THING.
macOS doesn't have the nifty feel of Windows or Linux, it expects one
to be satisfied with a dull expression of technology.
So you've retreated from "cutting edge"...
...to "nifty feel".
Got it.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" than
macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
I think this statement deserves a standing ovation
Joel W. Crump wrote:
Where's your evidence that Microsoft is exploiting me?
Microsoft isn't out to get you.
If the machine is portable, _everyone_ enjoys a
quiet machine which is just as powerful unplugged as plugged whose
battery lasts a whole day or more.
Where's your evidence that Microsoft is exploiting me?
Idiot.
CrudeSausage wrote:
If the machine is portable, _everyone_ enjoys a
quiet machine which is just as powerful unplugged as plugged whose
battery lasts a whole day or more.
All of the Apple portable products are quite compelling. Moving
everything to ARM was a real step forward, and the Neo is a
game-changer in affordable computing. I'm not a fan of either laptops
or Macs, but if I needed to buy a personal portable computer right
now, the Neo might be it.
For desktops, where power isn't an issue, I think that X86 and either
Windows or Linux do the job just as well.
On 2026-04-22 19:46, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 10:02 PM, Alan wrote:
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD >>>>>>>> are "other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" >>>>>>> than macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
That is completely avoiding the question.
Well done!
If you prefer macOS, I don't begrudge you that. But it is less
cutting edge.
In ways you are utterly unable to articulate.
Name ONE THING...
...just ONE!!!...
...that is more "cutting edge" about Windows 11.
Microsoft is a leader, Apple is not. They led with the iPhone and
iPad, though.
You have nothing.
Challenged to produce a single concrete example.
You.
Have.
Nothing
On 2026-04-22 10:53 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-22 19:46, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 10:02 PM, Alan wrote:
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD >>>>>>>>> are "other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" >>>>>>>> than macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
That is completely avoiding the question.
Well done!
If you prefer macOS, I don't begrudge you that. But it is less
cutting edge.
In ways you are utterly unable to articulate.
Name ONE THING...
...just ONE!!!...
...that is more "cutting edge" about Windows 11.
Microsoft is a leader, Apple is not. They led with the iPhone and
iPad, though.
You have nothing.
Challenged to produce a single concrete example.
You.
Have.
Nothing
We can go further with the faggot's comment. Apple innovates when it
comes to hardware, Microsoft imitates. However, if Microsoft's imitation doesn't succeed immediately, it is quickly discontinued and forgotten by
the company. A lot of us have not yet forgotten how they've dropped the
ball with the Zune, Windows S and now the Xbox hardware.
CrudeSausage wrote:
If the machine is portable, _everyone_ enjoys a
quiet machine which is just as powerful unplugged as plugged whose
battery lasts a whole day or more.
All of the Apple portable products are quite compelling. Moving
everything to ARM was a real step forward, and the Neo is a
game-changer in affordable computing. I'm not a fan of either laptops
or Macs, but if I needed to buy a personal portable computer right
now, the Neo might be it.
For desktops, where power isn't an issue, I think that X86 and either
Windows or Linux do the job just as well.
On 4/23/2026 7:37 AM, chrisv wrote:
Where's your evidence that Microsoft is exploiting me?
Idiot.
So no evidence. Got it.
On 4/22/2026 10:53 PM, Alan wrote:
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD >>>>>>>>> are "other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the art" >>>>>>>> than macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
That is completely avoiding the question.
Well done!
If you prefer macOS, I don't begrudge you that. But it is less
cutting edge.
In ways you are utterly unable to articulate.
Name ONE THING...
...just ONE!!!...
...that is more "cutting edge" about Windows 11.
Microsoft is a leader, Apple is not. They led with the iPhone and
iPad, though.
You have nothing.
Challenged to produce a single concrete example.
You.
Have.
Nothing
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could be,
because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is innovative.
Mac users are paying for the privilege of being second-rate.
On 4/23/2026 9:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
On 2026-04-22 10:53 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-22 19:46, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/22/2026 10:02 PM, Alan wrote:
Win11 like Linux really is the state of the art, macOS and BSD >>>>>>>>>> are "other" to me.
In what specific way is Win11 (or Linux) more "state of the >>>>>>>>> art" than macOS?
People who aren't brain-damaged produce them.
That is completely avoiding the question.
Well done!
If you prefer macOS, I don't begrudge you that. But it is less
cutting edge.
In ways you are utterly unable to articulate.
Name ONE THING...
...just ONE!!!...
...that is more "cutting edge" about Windows 11.
Microsoft is a leader, Apple is not. They led with the iPhone and
iPad, though.
You have nothing.
Challenged to produce a single concrete example.
You.
Have.
Nothing
We can go further with the faggot's comment. Apple innovates when it
comes to hardware, Microsoft imitates. However, if Microsoft's
imitation doesn't succeed immediately, it is quickly discontinued and
forgotten by the company. A lot of us have not yet forgotten how
they've dropped the ball with the Zune, Windows S and now the Xbox
hardware.
Microsoft isn't strong on hardware offerings, not surprisingly, but
Apple is weak on *software* offerings, which is more pertinent.
On 4/22/2026 10:55 PM, Alan wrote:
Apple serves the brain-damaged ones, Microsoft serves the people
with a clue.
So you can't show anything concrete.
NOT
ONE
THING.
macOS doesn't have the nifty feel of Windows or Linux, it expects one
to be satisfied with a dull expression of technology.
So you've retreated from "cutting edge"...
...to "nifty feel".
Got it.
It's desktop OSes, cutting edge is the experience, Win11 delivers it,
and Linux in its own way also can. Apple has other priorities.
On 2026-04-23 04:54, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 7:37 AM, chrisv wrote:
Where's your evidence that Microsoft is exploiting me?
Idiot.
So no evidence. Got it.
So evidence suddenly matters to you?
You never present any.
Name ONE THING...
...just ONE!!!...
...that is more "cutting edge" about Windows 11.
Microsoft is a leader, Apple is not. They led with the iPhone and
iPad, though.
You have nothing.
Challenged to produce a single concrete example.
You.
Have.
Nothing
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could be,
because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is
innovative. Mac users are paying for the privilege of being second-rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
On 2026-04-23 06:16, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 9:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Apple innovates when it
comes to hardware, Microsoft imitates. However, if Microsoft's
imitation doesn't succeed immediately, it is quickly discontinued and
forgotten by the company. A lot of us have not yet forgotten how
they've dropped the ball with the Zune, Windows S and now the Xbox
hardware.
Microsoft isn't strong on hardware offerings, not surprisingly, but
Apple is weak on *software* offerings, which is more pertinent.
Give an example...
With evidence!
...of a way that Apple's software is weak.
Joel wrote:
(snipped, unread)
So evidence suddenly matters to you?
You never present any.
Alan wrote:
Joel wrote:
(snipped, unread)
So evidence suddenly matters to you?
He actually wants evidence of Micro$oft's exploiting their users?
Like I said: Idiot.
You never present any.
He's a kook.
Alan wrote:
Joel wrote:
(snipped, unread)
So evidence suddenly matters to you?
He actually wants evidence of Micro$oft's exploiting their users?
Like I said: Idiot.
You never present any.
He's a kook.
chrisv <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan wrote:
Joel wrote:
(snipped, unread)
So evidence suddenly matters to you?
He actually wants evidence of Micro$oft's exploiting their users?
Like I said: Idiot.
You never present any.
He's a kook.
You are expecting rational discussion from an admitted drug addict who is
so delusional he thinks he is Jesus.
Joel is WAY beyond a kook. He is seriously brain damaged.
Alan wrote:
Joel wrote:
(snipped, unread)
So evidence suddenly matters to you?
He actually wants evidence of Micro$oft's exploiting their users?
Like I said: Idiot.
You never present any.
He's a kook.
chrisv wrote:
He's a kook.
You are expecting rational discussion from an admitted drug addict who is
so delusional he thinks he is Jesus.
Joel is WAY beyond a kook. He is seriously brain damaged.
Nick Charles wrote:
chrisv wrote:
He's a kook.
You are expecting rational discussion from an admitted drug addict who is
so delusional he thinks he is Jesus.
No, I expect irrational kookery from him.
Joel is WAY beyond a kook. He is seriously brain damaged.
Drugs would explain it.
chrisv <[email protected]d> wrote:
Alan wrote:
Joel wrote:
(snipped, unread)
So evidence suddenly matters to you?
He actually wants evidence of Micro$oft's exploiting their users?
Like I said: Idiot.
You never present any.
He's a kook.
You are expecting rational discussion from an admitted drug addict who is
so delusional he thinks he is Jesus.
Joel is WAY beyond a kook. He is seriously brain damaged.
On 4/23/2026 11:18 AM, Alan wrote:
Name ONE THING...
...just ONE!!!...
...that is more "cutting edge" about Windows 11.
Microsoft is a leader, Apple is not. They led with the iPhone and >>>>> iPad, though.
You have nothing.
Challenged to produce a single concrete example.
You.
Have.
Nothing
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could be,
because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is
innovative. Mac users are paying for the privilege of being second-rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
Objectively, macOS is deprecated compared to iOS.
It's not Apple's cash
cow. It's not where they're putting real focus on innovation. Win11, though, is a true state-of-the-art platform, and Linux in its own way
can be too.
On 4/23/2026 11:18 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-23 06:16, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 9:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Apple innovates when it comes to hardware, Microsoft imitates.
However, if Microsoft's imitation doesn't succeed immediately, it is
quickly discontinued and forgotten by the company. A lot of us have
not yet forgotten how they've dropped the ball with the Zune,
Windows S and now the Xbox hardware.
Microsoft isn't strong on hardware offerings, not surprisingly, but
Apple is weak on *software* offerings, which is more pertinent.
Give an example...
With evidence!
...of a way that Apple's software is weak.
It just sucks, I dunno what to tell you, it's not innovative, it's not fresh, it's just re-releasing the same old crapware over and over.You're making circular arguments.
Microsoft for all its faults is living in the now.
On 2026-04-23 1:57 p.m., Nick Charles wrote:
You are expecting rational discussion from an admitted drug addict who is
so delusional he thinks he is Jesus.
Joel is WAY beyond a kook. He is seriously brain damaged.
The man he calls a girlfriend would beg to differ.
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could be,
because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is
innovative. Mac users are paying for the privilege of being second-
rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
Objectively, macOS is deprecated compared to iOS.
Nope. It is in active, parallel development with iOS.
It's not Apple's cash cow. It's not where they're putting real focus
on innovation. Win11, though, is a true state-of-the-art platform,
and Linux in its own way can be too.
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux is
more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
On 2026-04-23 09:00, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 11:18 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-23 06:16, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 9:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Apple innovates when it comes to hardware, Microsoft imitates.
However, if Microsoft's imitation doesn't succeed immediately, it
is quickly discontinued and forgotten by the company. A lot of us
have not yet forgotten how they've dropped the ball with the Zune,
Windows S and now the Xbox hardware.
Microsoft isn't strong on hardware offerings, not surprisingly, but
Apple is weak on *software* offerings, which is more pertinent.
Give an example...
With evidence!
...of a way that Apple's software is weak.
It just sucks, I dunno what to tell you, it's not innovative, it's not
fresh, it's just re-releasing the same old crapware over and over.
Microsoft for all its faults is living in the now.
You're making circular arguments.
You can support a claim that macOS is not "state-of-the-art" by then claiming it's software is "weak" which you then try to support by saying it's not "innovative.
On 4/23/2026 5:13 PM, Alan wrote:
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could
be, because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is
innovative. Mac users are paying for the privilege of being second- >>>>> rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
Objectively, macOS is deprecated compared to iOS.
Nope. It is in active, parallel development with iOS.
It's not Apple's cash cow. It's not where they're putting real focus
on innovation. Win11, though, is a true state-of-the-art platform,
and Linux in its own way can be too.
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux is
more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on specifics, I'mYou're the one making the claims, doofus.
sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, heh.
On 4/23/2026 5:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-23 09:00, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 11:18 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-23 06:16, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 9:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
Apple innovates when it comes to hardware, Microsoft imitates.
However, if Microsoft's imitation doesn't succeed immediately, it >>>>>> is quickly discontinued and forgotten by the company. A lot of us >>>>>> have not yet forgotten how they've dropped the ball with the Zune, >>>>>> Windows S and now the Xbox hardware.
Microsoft isn't strong on hardware offerings, not surprisingly, but >>>>> Apple is weak on *software* offerings, which is more pertinent.
Give an example...
With evidence!
...of a way that Apple's software is weak.
It just sucks, I dunno what to tell you, it's not innovative, it's
not fresh, it's just re-releasing the same old crapware over and
over. Microsoft for all its faults is living in the now.
You're making circular arguments.
You can support a claim that macOS is not "state-of-the-art" by then
claiming it's software is "weak" which you then try to support by
saying it's not "innovative.
I just don't see what they've done to make it up to speed.
It seems
like a legacy product that they put some makeup on and re-release. If
I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but nothing tells me I am.
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could
be, because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is
innovative. Mac users are paying for the privilege of being
second- rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
Objectively, macOS is deprecated compared to iOS.
Nope. It is in active, parallel development with iOS.
It's not Apple's cash cow. It's not where they're putting real
focus on innovation. Win11, though, is a true state-of-the-art
platform, and Linux in its own way can be too.
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux
is more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on specifics, I'm
sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, heh.
You're the one making the claims, doofus.
You've never actually supported a single one...
..ever.
You can support a claim that macOS is not "state-of-the-art" by then
claiming it's software is "weak" which you then try to support by
saying it's not "innovative.
I just don't see what they've done to make it up to speed.
It what way is not not "up to speed"?
What do Windows 11 and/or Linux do that macOS does not?
On 4/23/2026 10:20 PM, Alan wrote:
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could >>>>>>> be, because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is >>>>>>> innovative. Mac users are paying for the privilege of being
second- rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
Objectively, macOS is deprecated compared to iOS.
Nope. It is in active, parallel development with iOS.
It's not Apple's cash cow. It's not where they're putting real
focus on innovation. Win11, though, is a true state-of-the-art
platform, and Linux in its own way can be too.
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux
is more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on specifics,
I'm sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, heh.
You're the one making the claims, doofus.
You've never actually supported a single one...
..ever.
I mean, there are some professional uses of Macs that are distinctly a thing, but that's not what the average Mac user is doing. Consumers who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large, Windows and Linux
have the innovation. If you want to say that high-end video editing is best on a Mac, I give you that. How many people are using computers to
do that, though? Microsoft is the platform that really gives consumers something hot. Then again, you get these people who cling to Win10 on hardware that could easily run Win11, so there are brain-damaged Windows users as well.
On 4/23/2026 10:20 PM, Alan wrote:
You can support a claim that macOS is not "state-of-the-art" by then
claiming it's software is "weak" which you then try to support by
saying it's not "innovative.
I just don't see what they've done to make it up to speed.
It what way is not not "up to speed"?
What do Windows 11 and/or Linux do that macOS does not?
I mean, you can probably conjure up an argument for how Apple keeps up
the pace, but it's hollow, the software sucks for the most part.
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could >>>>>>>> be, because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is >>>>>>>> innovative. Mac users are paying for the privilege of being
second- rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
Objectively, macOS is deprecated compared to iOS.
Nope. It is in active, parallel development with iOS.
It's not Apple's cash cow. It's not where they're putting real
focus on innovation. Win11, though, is a true state-of-the-art
platform, and Linux in its own way can be too.
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux >>>>> is more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on specifics,
I'm sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, heh.
You're the one making the claims, doofus.
You've never actually supported a single one...
..ever.
I mean, there are some professional uses of Macs that are distinctly a
thing, but that's not what the average Mac user is doing. Consumers
who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large, Windows and
Linux have the innovation. If you want to say that high-end video
editing is best on a Mac, I give you that. How many people are using
computers to do that, though? Microsoft is the platform that really
gives consumers something hot. Then again, you get these people who
cling to Win10 on hardware that could easily run Win11, so there are
brain-damaged Windows users as well.
You've yet to support a single claim about the Mac you have ever made.
"Consumers who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large,
Windows and Linux have the innovation."
Nothing.
"Microsoft is the platform that really gives consumers something hot."
What? What exactly is "hot" about Windows 11.
NAME
ONE
THING.
You can support a claim that macOS is not "state-of-the-art" by
then claiming it's software is "weak" which you then try to support >>>>> by saying it's not "innovative.
I just don't see what they've done to make it up to speed.
It what way is not not "up to speed"?
What do Windows 11 and/or Linux do that macOS does not?
I mean, you can probably conjure up an argument for how Apple keeps up
the pace, but it's hollow, the software sucks for the most part.
I don't need to "conjure up" anything...
...because you have literally never ONCE supported a claim you've made
with any facts.
On 2026-04-23 16:41, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 5:13 PM, Alan wrote:You're the one making the claims, doofus.
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could
be, because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is
innovative. Mac users are paying for the privilege of being
second- rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
Objectively, macOS is deprecated compared to iOS.
Nope. It is in active, parallel development with iOS.
It's not Apple's cash cow. It's not where they're putting real
focus on innovation. Win11, though, is a true state-of-the-art
platform, and Linux in its own way can be too.
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux
is more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on specifics, I'm
sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, heh.
You've never actually supported a single one...
..ever.
On 2026-04-23 16:44, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 5:15 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-23 09:00, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 11:18 AM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-23 06:16, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 9:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:Give an example...
Apple innovates when it comes to hardware, Microsoft imitates.
However, if Microsoft's imitation doesn't succeed immediately, it >>>>>>> is quickly discontinued and forgotten by the company. A lot of us >>>>>>> have not yet forgotten how they've dropped the ball with the
Zune, Windows S and now the Xbox hardware.
Microsoft isn't strong on hardware offerings, not surprisingly,
but Apple is weak on *software* offerings, which is more pertinent. >>>>>
With evidence!
...of a way that Apple's software is weak.
It just sucks, I dunno what to tell you, it's not innovative, it's
not fresh, it's just re-releasing the same old crapware over and
over. Microsoft for all its faults is living in the now.
You're making circular arguments.
You can support a claim that macOS is not "state-of-the-art" by then
claiming it's software is "weak" which you then try to support by
saying it's not "innovative.
I just don't see what they've done to make it up to speed.
It what way is not not "up to speed"?
What do Windows 11 and/or Linux do that macOS does not?
On 2026-04-23 19:35, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 10:20 PM, Alan wrote:
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it could >>>>>>>> be, because their real focus is iOS, which I did acknowledge is >>>>>>>> innovative. Mac users are paying for the privilege of being
second- rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
Objectively, macOS is deprecated compared to iOS.
Nope. It is in active, parallel development with iOS.
It's not Apple's cash cow. It's not where they're putting real
focus on innovation. Win11, though, is a true state-of-the-art
platform, and Linux in its own way can be too.
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux >>>>> is more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on specifics,
I'm sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, heh.
You're the one making the claims, doofus.
You've never actually supported a single one...
..ever.
I mean, there are some professional uses of Macs that are distinctly a
thing, but that's not what the average Mac user is doing. Consumers
who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large, Windows and
Linux have the innovation. If you want to say that high-end video
editing is best on a Mac, I give you that. How many people are using
computers to do that, though? Microsoft is the platform that really
gives consumers something hot. Then again, you get these people who
cling to Win10 on hardware that could easily run Win11, so there are
brain-damaged Windows users as well.
You've yet to support a single claim about the Mac you have ever made.
"Consumers who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large,
Windows and Linux have the innovation."
Nothing.
"Microsoft is the platform that really gives consumers something hot."
What? What exactly is "hot" about Windows 11.
NAME
ONE
THING.
On 2026-04-23 10:20 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-23 16:41, Joel W. Crump wrote:
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on specifics,
I'm sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, heh.
You're the one making the claims, doofus.
You've never actually supported a single one...
..ever.
I have one for faggot Crump: hot corners. I wasn't sure which operating system used them first, but it appears to be an innovation from the
classic MacOS (using a third-party tool) which eventually made its way natively to OS X Panther in 2003 (though I don't recall using it at the
time even though I had that version of the operating system). It is, for
me at least, the greatest desktop innovation in a while because it saves
me a lot of time otherwise spent looking for a particular window. To
this day, Windows doesn't offer it natively.
On 4/23/2026 1:38 PM, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Joel wrote:
(snipped, unread)
So evidence suddenly matters to you?
He actually wants evidence of Micro$oft's exploiting their users?
Like I said: Idiot.
You never present any.
He's a kook.
Logically, Microsoft would use the information gathered to improve their products, the paranoia about privacy is just that, paranoia. They could
get sued to hell if they were truly spying on people through software.
Look at what you wrote: "he actually wants evidence". You're saying evidence isn't even needed! That's "kook" territory, heh.--
On 2026-04-23 08:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 11:18 AM, Alan wrote:
<snip>
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux is
more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 2026-04-23 08:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 11:18 AM, Alan wrote:
<snip>
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux is
more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
Well, I just updated my Debian Unstable system. 206 packages
updated. You can't get more state-of-the-art than that!
:-)
On 4/24/2026 3:08 AM, Alan wrote:
Apple doesn't give a crap about making macOS everything it
could be, because their real focus is iOS, which I did
acknowledge is innovative. Mac users are paying for the
privilege of being second- rate.
So you have no evidence.
Got it.
You realize that iOS and macOS are intimately related, right?
Objectively, macOS is deprecated compared to iOS.
Nope. It is in active, parallel development with iOS.
It's not Apple's cash cow. It's not where they're putting real >>>>>>> focus on innovation. Win11, though, is a true state-of-the-art >>>>>>> platform, and Linux in its own way can be too.
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or
Linux is more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on specifics, >>>>> I'm sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, heh.
You're the one making the claims, doofus.
You've never actually supported a single one...
..ever.
I mean, there are some professional uses of Macs that are distinctly
a thing, but that's not what the average Mac user is doing.
Consumers who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large,
Windows and Linux have the innovation. If you want to say that high-
end video editing is best on a Mac, I give you that. How many people
are using computers to do that, though? Microsoft is the platform
that really gives consumers something hot. Then again, you get these
people who cling to Win10 on hardware that could easily run Win11, so
there are brain-damaged Windows users as well.
You've yet to support a single claim about the Mac you have ever made.
"Consumers who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large,
Windows and Linux have the innovation."
Nothing.
"Microsoft is the platform that really gives consumers something hot."
What? What exactly is "hot" about Windows 11.
NAME
ONE
THING.
To begin, I will reiterate the acknowledgement that MS Office for Mac is actually good,
but considering that it happens to be from Microsoft,
it's not exactly by itself sealing the deal on macOS being as good as Windows.
Then, you have Adobe's stuff and other professional software
that shines on macOS, as I mentioned above.
But for casual, desktop/
laptop PC use, macOS falls short of Win11, in every other meaningful respect.
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while
being a non-commercial platform largely supported by voluntary efforts.
Apple simply isn't the provider of an everyday system to the average customer, they cater to brain-damaged people who are irked by the superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
But again,Complete failure by you in 152 words to find a single thing about
it's interesting how that actually works out in MS Office's *favor*, and that the professional uses of macOS are so admittedly impressive.
On 4/24/2026 3:08 AM, Alan wrote:
You can support a claim that macOS is not "state-of-the-art" by
then claiming it's software is "weak" which you then try to
support by saying it's not "innovative.
I just don't see what they've done to make it up to speed.
It what way is not not "up to speed"?
What do Windows 11 and/or Linux do that macOS does not?
I mean, you can probably conjure up an argument for how Apple keeps
up the pace, but it's hollow, the software sucks for the most part.
I don't need to "conjure up" anything...
...because you have literally never ONCE supported a claim you've made
with any facts.
Unless the platform has been fully revamped since I had my MacBook inAnd you think that's a good thing?
2010, I'm right, and the fact is that while it's not in *precisely* the
same state today that it was then, it's a lot less different from then
than Win11 is from Win7.
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 2026-04-23 08:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 11:18 AM, Alan wrote:
<snip>
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux is
more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
Well, I just updated my Debian Unstable system. 206 packages
updated. You can't get more state-of-the-art than that!
:-)
But for casual, desktop/
laptop PC use, macOS falls short of Win11, in every other meaningful respect.
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while
being a non-commercial platform largely supported by voluntary efforts.
Apple simply isn't the provider of an everyday system to the average customer,
they cater to brain-damaged people who are irked by the
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
In what way is Windows superior? What is this simple motif? You mean
things like: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-au/answers/ questions/5862058/2026-04-security-update-(kb5083769)-(26200-8246)-c>
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or
Linux is more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on specifics, >>>>>> I'm sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, heh.
You're the one making the claims, doofus.
You've never actually supported a single one...
..ever.
I mean, there are some professional uses of Macs that are distinctly
a thing, but that's not what the average Mac user is doing.
Consumers who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large,
Windows and Linux have the innovation. If you want to say that
high- end video editing is best on a Mac, I give you that. How many >>>> people are using computers to do that, though? Microsoft is the
platform that really gives consumers something hot. Then again, you >>>> get these people who cling to Win10 on hardware that could easily
run Win11, so there are brain-damaged Windows users as well.
You've yet to support a single claim about the Mac you have ever made.
"Consumers who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large,
Windows and Linux have the innovation."
Nothing.
"Microsoft is the platform that really gives consumers something hot."
What? What exactly is "hot" about Windows 11.
NAME
ONE
THING.
To begin, I will reiterate the acknowledgement that MS Office for Mac
is actually good,
So that's not one thing that is "hot".
Got it.
but considering that it happens to be from Microsoft, it's not exactly
by itself sealing the deal on macOS being as good as Windows.
That doesn't elucidate anything "hot".
Got it.
Then, you have Adobe's stuff and other professional software that
shines on macOS, as I mentioned above.
Stilll nothing.
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of Win11, in
every other meaningful respect.
Still nothing.
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while being a non-
commercial platform largely supported by voluntary efforts.
Still... ....nothikng.
Apple simply isn't the provider of an everyday system to the average
customer, they cater to brain-damaged people who are irked by the
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
Empty words when asked to provide what about Windows 11 is "something hot".
But again, it's interesting how that actually works out in MS Office'sComplete failure by you in 152 words to find a single thing about
*favor*, and that the professional uses of macOS are so admittedly
impressive.
Windows 11 that YOU consider "hot".
What do Windows 11 and/or Linux do that macOS does not?
I mean, you can probably conjure up an argument for how Apple keeps
up the pace, but it's hollow, the software sucks for the most part.
I don't need to "conjure up" anything...
...because you have literally never ONCE supported a claim you've
made with any facts.
Unless the platform has been fully revamped since I had my MacBook in
2010, I'm right, and the fact is that while it's not in *precisely*
the same state today that it was then, it's a lot less different from
then than Win11 is from Win7.
And you think that's a good thing?
Here's a softball:
What is a feature of Windows 11 that is definitely better than what was available in Windows 11?
On 4/24/2026 12:26 PM, Alan wrote:
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or >>>>>>>> Linux is more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
What has Apple done with macOS, then? You're so big on
specifics, I'm sure you can wow us with their innovative updates, >>>>>>> heh.
You're the one making the claims, doofus.
You've never actually supported a single one...
..ever.
I mean, there are some professional uses of Macs that are
distinctly a thing, but that's not what the average Mac user is
doing. Consumers who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and >>>>> large, Windows and Linux have the innovation. If you want to say
that high- end video editing is best on a Mac, I give you that.
How many people are using computers to do that, though? Microsoft >>>>> is the platform that really gives consumers something hot. Then
again, you get these people who cling to Win10 on hardware that
could easily run Win11, so there are brain-damaged Windows users as >>>>> well.
You've yet to support a single claim about the Mac you have ever made. >>>>
"Consumers who use Macs are getting the dull crapware, by and large,
Windows and Linux have the innovation."
Nothing.
"Microsoft is the platform that really gives consumers something hot." >>>>
What? What exactly is "hot" about Windows 11.
NAME
ONE
THING.
To begin, I will reiterate the acknowledgement that MS Office for Mac
is actually good,
So that's not one thing that is "hot".
Got it.
but considering that it happens to be from Microsoft, it's not
exactly by itself sealing the deal on macOS being as good as Windows.
That doesn't elucidate anything "hot".
Got it.
Then, you have Adobe's stuff and other professional software that
shines on macOS, as I mentioned above.
Stilll nothing.
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of Win11,
in every other meaningful respect.
Still nothing.
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while being a
non- commercial platform largely supported by voluntary efforts.
Still... ....nothikng.
Apple simply isn't the provider of an everyday system to the average
customer, they cater to brain-damaged people who are irked by the
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
Empty words when asked to provide what about Windows 11 is "something
hot".
But again, it's interesting how that actually works out in MSComplete failure by you in 152 words to find a single thing about
Office's *favor*, and that the professional uses of macOS are so
admittedly impressive.
Windows 11 that YOU consider "hot".
Using Win11 is more fun.
On 4/24/2026 12:28 PM, Alan wrote:
What do Windows 11 and/or Linux do that macOS does not?
I mean, you can probably conjure up an argument for how Apple keeps >>>>> up the pace, but it's hollow, the software sucks for the most part.
I don't need to "conjure up" anything...
...because you have literally never ONCE supported a claim you've
made with any facts.
Unless the platform has been fully revamped since I had my MacBook in
2010, I'm right, and the fact is that while it's not in *precisely*
the same state today that it was then, it's a lot less different from
then than Win11 is from Win7.
And you think that's a good thing?
If you want a fresh system, yes.
Here's a softball:
What is a feature of Windows 11 that is definitely better than what
was available in Windows 11?
Win7 was just the starting point, the realization of what the platform
could be based on traditional Windows features, by now with 11 they've modernized it. macOS is still in the 2010s or so.
Win7 was just the starting point, the realization of what the platform
could be based on traditional Windows features, by now with 11 they've modernized it. macOS is still in the 2010s or so.
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of Win11, in
every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while
In what way?
being a non-commercial platform largely supported by voluntary efforts.
"In fact, it turns out that more than 80 percent of all Linux kernel development is “demonstrably done by developers who are being paid for their work,” by these big (and sometimes smaller) companies, according
to the report." <https://www.cio.com/article/246701/who-s-behind-linux-now-and-should- you-be-afraid.html>
"about 67% of contributors where paid to work on GNOME" <https://fossbazaar.org/content/differences-between-paid-and-volunteer- foss-contributors/>
systemd — primarily Red Hat employees (Lennart Poettering was a Red Hat employee for years, now at Microsoft)
Mesa/graphics drivers — dominated by AMD, Intel, NVIDIA paying developers
glibc — largely Red Hat contributors
X.org/Wayland — heavily funded by Red Hat, Intel, Collabora, and others
The whole idea of a large group of "basement hackers" is severely outdated.
And while there are plenty of tools that are indeed programmed by
volunteers those same tools are likely available on macOS via Mac Ports
or homebrew or Nix.
Apple simply isn't the provider of an everyday system to the average
customer,
Then what?
they cater to brain-damaged people who are irked by the
You call 30+ million registered developers "brain-damaged"?
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
In what way is Windows superior? What is this simple motif? You mean
things like: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-au/answers/ questions/5862058/2026-04-security-update-(kb5083769)-(26200-8246)-c>
On 2026-04-24 09:54, John Bokma wrote:
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
In what way is Windows superior? What is this simple motif? You mean
things like: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-au/answers/
questions/5862058/2026-04-security-update-(kb5083769)-(26200-8246)-c>
Windows before Windows 8 had one place for changing system preferences:
The Control Panel.
We've now been through 3.5 iterations of Microsoft new UI:
Windows 8 (complete garbage)
Windows 8.1 (revised to be somewhat useable)
Windows 10 (which was supposed to be the last version of Windows ever)
Windows 11.
All of them have (or had) a "Settings" application which does much of
what the Control Panel used to do...
...but to this DAY, you still need both.
How is that a simpler motif?
On 4/24/2026 1:01 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-24 09:54, John Bokma wrote:
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
In what way is Windows superior? What is this simple motif? You mean
things like: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-au/answers/
questions/5862058/2026-04-security-update-(kb5083769)-(26200-8246)-c>
Windows before Windows 8 had one place for changing system preferences:
The Control Panel.
We've now been through 3.5 iterations of Microsoft new UI:
Windows 8 (complete garbage)
Windows 8.1 (revised to be somewhat useable)
Windows 10 (which was supposed to be the last version of Windows ever)
Windows 11.
All of them have (or had) a "Settings" application which does much of
what the Control Panel used to do...
...but to this DAY, you still need both.
How is that a simpler motif?
It's Apple that has the simpler motif.
On 4/24/2026 12:54 PM, John Bokma wrote:
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of Win11,
in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while
In what way?
Not having dull apps made for macOS.
On 24/04/2026 19:04, Joel W. Crump wrote:
Win7 was just the starting point, the realization of what the platform
could be based on traditional Windows features, by now with 11 they've
modernized it. macOS is still in the 2010s or so.
In what way? What makes Win11 superior to macOS?
On 4/24/2026 12:54 PM, John Bokma wrote:
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of Win11,
in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while
In what way?
Not having dull apps made for macOS.
The whole idea of a large group of "basement hackers" is severely
outdated.
Not disputing that. Linux is very serious computing. But it is
voluntary even if they're paying the developers.
And while there are plenty of tools that are indeed programmed by
volunteers those same tools are likely available on macOS via Mac
Ports or homebrew or Nix.
Oh, yeah, macOS can be used as a Unix platform, but that wouldn't to me
seem a basis for investing in Apple's products.
Apple-GUI apps are largely dull crapware.
You call 30+ million registered developers "brain-damaged"?
Their OS and software are dull. Their minds are dull. And yet it costs an arm and a leg to fly their way.
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
In what way is Windows superior? What is this simple motif? You mean
things like: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-au/answers/
questions/5862058/2026-04-security-update-(kb5083769)-(26200-8246)-c>
The simple motif is Apple's.
There's no disputing that Winblows has its
share of buggy updates,
and such. I'd rather tolerate that than pay
Apple for anything,
It's Apple that has the simpler motif.
Win7 was just the starting point, the realization of what the platform
could be based on traditional Windows features, by now with 11 they've
modernized it. macOS is still in the 2010s or so.
In what way? What makes Win11 superior to macOS?
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of Win11,
in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
How does macOS prevent this?
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while
In what way?
Not having dull apps made for macOS.
What's an exciting app on Linux?
The whole idea of a large group of "basement hackers" is severely
outdated.
Not disputing that. Linux is very serious computing. But it is
voluntary even if they're paying the developers.
Those developers are employees of companies that pay them to work on Linux.
And while there are plenty of tools that are indeed programmed by
volunteers those same tools are likely available on macOS via Mac
Ports or homebrew or Nix.
Oh, yeah, macOS can be used as a Unix platform, but that wouldn't to
me seem a basis for investing in Apple's products.
Plenty of people use it in exactly that way. Otherwise projects like Mac Ports / Homebrew would not exists.
Apple-GUI apps are largely dull crapware.
Example(s)?
You call 30+ million registered developers "brain-damaged"?
Their OS and software are dull. Their minds are dull. And yet it
costs an arm and a leg to fly their way.
You're just trolling, right?
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
In what way is Windows superior? What is this simple motif? You mean
things like: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-au/answers/
questions/5862058/2026-04-security-update-(kb5083769)-(26200-8246)-c>
The simple motif is Apple's.
Which is?
There's no disputing that Winblows has its share of buggy updates,
You can say that again.
and such. I'd rather tolerate that than pay Apple for anything,
Windows 11 doesn't come for free.
It's Apple that has the simpler motif.
Sounds like an advantage :-D.
On 4/24/2026 1:49 PM, John Bokma wrote:
Win7 was just the starting point, the realization of what the
platform could be based on traditional Windows features, by now with
11 they've modernized it. macOS is still in the 2010s or so.
In what way? What makes Win11 superior to macOS?
It's been developed for the present day, it's fresh, it's not just a repackaged "upgrade" of the same old thing like macOS.
On 2026-04-24 09:54, John Bokma wrote:
superiority of Windows, who actually want a simple motif.
In what way is Windows superior? What is this simple motif? You mean
things like: <https://learn.microsoft.com/en-au/answers/
questions/5862058/2026-04-security-update-(kb5083769)-(26200-8246)-c>
Windows before Windows 8 had one place for changing system preferences:
The Control Panel.
We've now been through 3.5 iterations of Microsoft new UI:
Windows 8 (complete garbage)
Windows 8.1 (revised to be somewhat useable)
Windows 10 (which was supposed to be the last version of Windows ever)
Windows 11.
All of them have (or had) a "Settings" application which does much of
what the Control Panel used to do...
...but to this DAY, you still need both.
How is that a simpler motif?
On 4/24/2026 1:49 PM, John Bokma wrote:
In what way? What makes Win11 superior to macOS?
It's been developed for the present day, it's fresh, it's not just a repackaged "upgrade" of the same old thing like macOS.
On 4/24/2026 1:55 PM, John Bokma wrote:
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of Win11, >>>>> in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
How does macOS prevent this?
By sucking.
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while
In what way?
Not having dull apps made for macOS.
What's an exciting app on Linux?
My best example with Linux having the best app is the music player Audacious. And yes, I know it can be run under macOS - that doesn't
make an Apple-centric app.
Those developers are employees of companies that pay them to work on
Linux.
Sure, but they're contributing to an open-source project.
Example(s)?
When I had my MacBook running Snow Leopard, I ended up using Forte Agent
and mIRC under CrossOver. I tried countless apps for OS X/macOS that
were all junk.
Which is?
It never really changes, it just rehashes the same boring old crapware.
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of
Win11, in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
How does macOS prevent this?
By sucking.
How does it suck.
Even to the extent that *Linux* is more satisfying, while
In what way?
Not having dull apps made for macOS.
What's an exciting app on Linux?
My best example with Linux having the best app is the music player
Audacious. And yes, I know it can be run under macOS - that doesn't
make an Apple-centric app.
So, because it's not exclusively made for macOS it doesn't count? You're
a weird one.
[ simple motif ]
Which is?
It never really changes, it just rehashes the same boring old crapware.
What would you like to see changed?
On 4/24/2026 3:42 PM, John Bokma wrote:
Inferior GUI, inferior apps available overall.
What would you like to see changed?
It's not for me to specify,
I'm not phobic of Microsoft. I am, though, disgusted with
Apple's moneygrubbing.
On 4/24/2026 3:42 PM, John Bokma wrote:
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of
Win11, in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
How does macOS prevent this?
By sucking.
How does it suck.
Inferior GUI, inferior apps available overall.
What is easier to do in Windows GUI than in macOS?
On 2026-04-24 13:04, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/24/2026 3:42 PM, John Bokma wrote:
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of
Win11, in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
How does macOS prevent this?
By sucking.
How does it suck.
Inferior GUI, inferior apps available overall.
In what WAY?
What is easier to do in Windows GUI than in macOS?
On 24/04/2026 22:33, Alan wrote:
What is easier to do in Windows GUI than in macOS?
Crash the system :-D (SCNR).
On 4/24/2026 4:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-24 13:04, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/24/2026 3:42 PM, John Bokma wrote:
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of >>>>>>>>> Win11, in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
How does macOS prevent this?
By sucking.
How does it suck.
Inferior GUI, inferior apps available overall.
In what WAY?
What is easier to do in Windows GUI than in macOS?
Windows simply innovates to the Nth degree, even Linux as amazing as it
is doesn't shine like Win11 on the desktop. This would be why I don't comprehend the brain-damaged Win10 hoarders, they have high-end PCs that could have the latest OS and they resist. It's even stupider than
buying a fucking Mac!
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 2026-04-23 08:58, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/23/2026 11:18 AM, Alan wrote:
<snip>
Yet you can't show a single way in which either Windows 11 or Linux is
more "state-of-the-art" than macOS.
Well, I just updated my Debian Unstable system. 206 packages updated.
You can't get more state-of-the-art than that!
On 2026-04-24 13:52, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/24/2026 4:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-24 13:04, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/24/2026 3:42 PM, John Bokma wrote:
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of >>>>>>>>>> Win11, in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
How does macOS prevent this?
By sucking.
How does it suck.
Inferior GUI, inferior apps available overall.
In what WAY?
What is easier to do in Windows GUI than in macOS?
Windows simply innovates to the Nth degree, even Linux as amazing as
it is doesn't shine like Win11 on the desktop. This would be why I
don't comprehend the brain-damaged Win10 hoarders, they have high-end
PCs that could have the latest OS and they resist. It's even stupider
than buying a fucking Mac!
Answer the question I asked, doofus.
On 2026-04-24 11:04, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/24/2026 1:49 PM, John Bokma wrote:
Win7 was just the starting point, the realization of what the
platform could be based on traditional Windows features, by now with
11 they've modernized it. macOS is still in the 2010s or so.
In what way? What makes Win11 superior to macOS?
It's been developed for the present day, it's fresh, it's not just a
repackaged "upgrade" of the same old thing like macOS.
So you have no actual feature or capability you can point out.
Got it.
On 2026-04-24 2:27 p.m., Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-24 11:04, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/24/2026 1:49 PM, John Bokma wrote:
Win7 was just the starting point, the realization of what the
platform could be based on traditional Windows features, by now
with 11 they've modernized it. macOS is still in the 2010s or so.
In what way? What makes Win11 superior to macOS?
It's been developed for the present day, it's fresh, it's not just a
repackaged "upgrade" of the same old thing like macOS.
So you have no actual feature or capability you can point out.
Got it.
Is it possible that MacOS somehow prevents him from consuming the
massive amounts of homosexual porn he craves? I don't see why else he
would be so upset with the operating system.
On 4/24/2026 4:58 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-24 13:52, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/24/2026 4:33 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-04-24 13:04, Joel W. Crump wrote:
On 4/24/2026 3:42 PM, John Bokma wrote:
But for casual, desktop/ laptop PC use, macOS falls short of >>>>>>>>>>> Win11, in every other meaningful respect.
Which is?
Having enjoyment in using the software.
How does macOS prevent this?
By sucking.
How does it suck.
Inferior GUI, inferior apps available overall.
In what WAY?
What is easier to do in Windows GUI than in macOS?
Windows simply innovates to the Nth degree, even Linux as amazing as
it is doesn't shine like Win11 on the desktop. This would be why I
don't comprehend the brain-damaged Win10 hoarders, they have high-end
PCs that could have the latest OS and they resist. It's even
stupider than buying a fucking Mac!
Answer the question I asked, doofus.
Win11 with StartAllBack is the best desktop OS, hands down, in the now.
Once one has that going strong, the allure of Linux is overshadowed*,
and the goofiness of macOS is ignored.
Windows simply innovates to the Nth degree, even Linux as amazing as
it is doesn't shine like Win11 on the desktop. This would be why I
don't comprehend the brain-damaged Win10 hoarders, they have high-
end PCs that could have the latest OS and they resist. It's even
stupider than buying a fucking Mac!
Answer the question I asked, doofus.
Win11 with StartAllBack is the best desktop OS, hands down, in the
now. Once one has that going strong, the allure of Linux is
overshadowed*, and the goofiness of macOS is ignored.
Still haven't answered the question.
And you're admitting that Windows as it ships is deficient because you
need to add a piece of additional software to make it work better:
'Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug'
<Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug>
On 4/24/2026 7:25 PM, Alan wrote:
Windows simply innovates to the Nth degree, even Linux as amazing
as it is doesn't shine like Win11 on the desktop. This would be
why I don't comprehend the brain-damaged Win10 hoarders, they have
high- end PCs that could have the latest OS and they resist. It's >>>>> even stupider than buying a fucking Mac!
Answer the question I asked, doofus.
Win11 with StartAllBack is the best desktop OS, hands down, in the
now. Once one has that going strong, the allure of Linux is
overshadowed*, and the goofiness of macOS is ignored.
Still haven't answered the question.
And you're admitting that Windows as it ships is deficient because you
need to add a piece of additional software to make it work better:
'Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug'
<Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug>
But you see, obtaining StartAllBack is trivial.
And it instantly makesBut you need to immediately modify "their goods"...
it perfect. I don't object to Win11's default interface, but I can make
it look a lot like Debian Cinnamon with StartAllBack, it's awesome. I advocate Linux if one objects to Microsoft, that's a valid feeling, but
I'm simply sold on their goods, for my part.
On 4/24/2026 7:25 PM, Alan wrote:
Windows simply innovates to the Nth degree, even Linux as amazing
as it is doesn't shine like Win11 on the desktop. This would be
why I don't comprehend the brain-damaged Win10 hoarders, they have
high- end PCs that could have the latest OS and they resist. It's >>>>> even stupider than buying a fucking Mac!
Answer the question I asked, doofus.
Win11 with StartAllBack is the best desktop OS, hands down, in the
now. Once one has that going strong, the allure of Linux is
overshadowed*, and the goofiness of macOS is ignored.
Still haven't answered the question.
And you're admitting that Windows as it ships is deficient because you
need to add a piece of additional software to make it work better:
'Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug'
<Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug>
...but I can makeAnd that claim turns out to be bullshit.
it look a lot like Debian Cinnamon with StartAllBack, it's awesome.
Windows simply innovates to the Nth degree, even Linux as amazing >>>>>> as it is doesn't shine like Win11 on the desktop. This would be >>>>>> why I don't comprehend the brain-damaged Win10 hoarders, they have >>>>>> high- end PCs that could have the latest OS and they resist. It's >>>>>> even stupider than buying a fucking Mac!
Answer the question I asked, doofus.
Win11 with StartAllBack is the best desktop OS, hands down, in the
now. Once one has that going strong, the allure of Linux is
overshadowed*, and the goofiness of macOS is ignored.
Still haven't answered the question.
And you're admitting that Windows as it ships is deficient because
you need to add a piece of additional software to make it work better:
'Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug'
<Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug>
But you see, obtaining StartAllBack is trivial.
But you see, you admit that Windows 11 without it is less.
And it instantly makes it perfect. I don't object to Win11's default
interface, but I can make it look a lot like Debian Cinnamon with
StartAllBack, it's awesome. I advocate Linux if one objects to
Microsoft, that's a valid feeling, but I'm simply sold on their goods,
for my part.
But you need to immediately modify "their goods"...
...meaning YOU don't feel their goods...
...are good enough!
...but I can make it [Windows 11] look a lot like Debian Cinnamon with
StartAllBack, it's awesome.
And that claim turns out to be bullshit.
On 4/24/2026 7:52 PM, Alan wrote:
Windows simply innovates to the Nth degree, even Linux as amazing >>>>>>> as it is doesn't shine like Win11 on the desktop. This would be >>>>>>> why I don't comprehend the brain-damaged Win10 hoarders, they
have high- end PCs that could have the latest OS and they
resist. It's even stupider than buying a fucking Mac!
Answer the question I asked, doofus.
Win11 with StartAllBack is the best desktop OS, hands down, in the
now. Once one has that going strong, the allure of Linux is
overshadowed*, and the goofiness of macOS is ignored.
Still haven't answered the question.
And you're admitting that Windows as it ships is deficient because
you need to add a piece of additional software to make it work better: >>>>
'Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug'
<Introducing StartAllBack: Windows 11 from better timeline
Embrace, enhance, unsweep classic UI from under the rug>
But you see, obtaining StartAllBack is trivial.
But you see, you admit that Windows 11 without it is less.
I guess, yeah, so what? It's the same thing as with Windows 8, people freaked out about it because of its crazy GUI, but it was easily fixed
with Classic Shell. Once one did that, boom, it was at the time the
state of the art. When I got half drunk and went back to Win7, I immediately knew I made a mistake.
And it instantly makes it perfect. I don't object to Win11's default
interface, but I can make it look a lot like Debian Cinnamon with
StartAllBack, it's awesome. I advocate Linux if one objects to
Microsoft, that's a valid feeling, but I'm simply sold on their
goods, for my part.
But you need to immediately modify "their goods"...
...meaning YOU don't feel their goods...
...are good enough!
All this does is make it look right, it doesn't fundamentally change Win11. The default GUI is OK. It's just perfected by this tool.You literally just said it "makes it perfect".
On 4/24/2026 7:54 PM, Alan wrote:
...but I can make it [Windows 11] look a lot like Debian Cinnamon
with StartAllBack, it's awesome.
And that claim turns out to be bullshit.
Nope. They're not mirror images, but functionally, about the same. Same three Web browsers, Firefox default, Edge, Chrome. Same LibreOffice.
But I get other Windows apps. Microsoft delivers the best platform, if
one knows how to tweak it.
<snip>--
So you admit there is nothing more "cutting edge" or "state-of-the-art"
or "hot" about Windows 11.
Got it.
The fact of the matter is that compared Windows users, Mac users have
a higher level of education and higher incomes.
OK, but if you compare educated users of both systems, the Windows
people are superior.
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