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Interview with Framework CEO Nirav Patel <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/04/frameworks-ceo-on-the-ram-crisis-and-creating-a-macbook-pro-for-linux-users/>.
Framework, the maker of configurable laptops, is naturally a
Linux-heavy, but not a Linux-exclusive, company:

“... on Framework Laptop 13, we actually have slightly more Linux
users than Windows users. It’s something like 55/45 [Linux versus
Windows] on the 13. It varies on our different products. The
[Framework Laptop] 16 is a bit more Windows heavy.”

Also:

The company is also trying to capture Mac users, which was one
reason Framework shifted from a trackpad with a physical clicking
mechanism to a haptic trackpad like the ones Apple has used in
most MacBooks over the past decade.

Yes, there are actually enough Mac users that want to switch to
Framework machines, for this to matter. And the headline quote:

“Increasingly over the last five years, especially software
developers come in because they want Linux and they want it on
hardware that supports it as a first-class experience,” Patel told
Ars. “And so really a lot of the philosophy behind the [Framework
Laptop 13] Pro was ‘let’s build essentially the MacBook Pro for
Linux users. Let’s take the software that they want, the distro
that they prefer, and then make sure that the hardware experience
lives up to what they would expect coming from a MacBook Pro.’”
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On 2026-04-21 5:41 p.m., Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

Interview with Framework CEO Nirav Patel <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/04/frameworks-ceo-on-the-ram-crisis-and-creating-a-macbook-pro-for-linux-users/>.
Framework, the maker of configurable laptops, is naturally a
Linux-heavy, but not a Linux-exclusive, company:

“... on Framework Laptop 13, we actually have slightly more Linux
users than Windows users. It’s something like 55/45 [Linux versus
Windows] on the 13. It varies on our different products. The
[Framework Laptop] 16 is a bit more Windows heavy.”

Also:

The company is also trying to capture Mac users, which was one
reason Framework shifted from a trackpad with a physical clicking
mechanism to a haptic trackpad like the ones Apple has used in
most MacBooks over the past decade.

Yes, there are actually enough Mac users that want to switch to
Framework machines, for this to matter. And the headline quote:

“Increasingly over the last five years, especially software
developers come in because they want Linux and they want it on
hardware that supports it as a first-class experience,” Patel told
Ars. “And so really a lot of the philosophy behind the [Framework
Laptop 13] Pro was ‘let’s build essentially the MacBook Pro for
Linux users. Let’s take the software that they want, the distro
that they prefer, and then make sure that the hardware experience
lives up to what they would expect coming from a MacBook Pro.’”

Framework might get some of the components to work as well as they do on
a Mac, but the reality is that the operating system itself won't please
users looking for elegance, and the hardware Framework provides won't
appeal to customers looking for the aesthetics of a Mac. Framework's
machines don't look very pretty, and they are visibly put together from
a variety of components. While there are obvious benefits when something breaks, most Apple users are content to just bring their machine to
Apple for their professionals to look at it rather than order a new USB
port, a new keyboard or a new motherboard depending on what broke. The machines are also x86-based, which means that you will constantly be
hearing the fans turn on. That also means that energy efficiency will be
poor, with a charge lasting four of five hours rather than a whole day.

If this were 2012, Framework would have a chance. In 2026, it's easy to disregard by all but the most dedicated tinkerers.
--
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air
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On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 18:53:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

While there are obvious benefits when something breaks, most Apple users
are content to just bring their machine to Apple for their professionals
to look at it rather than order a new USB port, a new keyboard or a new motherboard depending on what broke.

Most Apple users also take their Subarus to a certified dealer to get the windshield washer fluid refilled because they do'nt have a fucking clue
how anything works.
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On 2026-04-21 8:59 p.m., rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 18:53:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

While there are obvious benefits when something breaks, most Apple users
are content to just bring their machine to Apple for their professionals
to look at it rather than order a new USB port, a new keyboard or a new
motherboard depending on what broke.

Most Apple users also take their Subarus to a certified dealer to get the windshield washer fluid refilled because they do'nt have a fucking clue
how anything works.

Will the Subaru certified dealer offer them a coffee while they wait?
--
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air
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rbowman wrote:

CrudeSausage wrote:

While there are obvious benefits when something breaks, most Apple users
are content to just bring their machine to Apple for their professionals
to look at it rather than order a new USB port, a new keyboard or a new
motherboard depending on what broke.

Most Apple users also take their Subarus to a certified dealer to get the >windshield washer fluid refilled because they do'nt have a fucking clue
how anything works.

Yeah, some of us would rather change oil for ourselves and shift gears
for ourselves.
--
"One [jpeg] was quickly replaced once I noted the EXIF data." - some
thing, lying shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)
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On 4/21/26 8:59 PM, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 18:53:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

While there are obvious benefits when something breaks, most Apple users
are content to just bring their machine to Apple for their professionals
to look at it rather than order a new USB port, a new keyboard or a new
motherboard depending on what broke.

Most Apple users also take their Subarus to a certified dealer to get the windshield washer fluid refilled because they do'nt have a fucking clue
how anything works.

Speaking as an owner of an Outback and a Forester I can add washer
fluid. I also know how to change oil/filter, replace spark plugs,
replace a battery, rotate tires and even have rebuilt an engine or two.
But today's auto systems require equipment that I am not willing to
invest in. The engine rebuilds were 1950/60 vintage. One involved
swapping out and automatic for a manual transmission. Could not do that
today even. My body is not what it was 60 years ago.

Your comment likely applies to any recent vintage car you name.
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On 2026-04-21 17:59, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 18:53:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

While there are obvious benefits when something breaks, most Apple users
are content to just bring their machine to Apple for their professionals
to look at it rather than order a new USB port, a new keyboard or a new
motherboard depending on what broke.

Most Apple users also take their Subarus to a certified dealer to get the windshield washer fluid refilled because they do'nt have a fucking clue
how anything works.

Really... ...stop with this kind of bullshit.

You're just making yourself look petty and stupid.
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On 2026-04-22 05:10, chrisv wrote:

rbowman wrote:

CrudeSausage wrote:

While there are obvious benefits when something breaks, most Apple users >>> are content to just bring their machine to Apple for their professionals >>> to look at it rather than order a new USB port, a new keyboard or a new
motherboard depending on what broke.

Most Apple users also take their Subarus to a certified dealer to get the
windshield washer fluid refilled because they do'nt have a fucking clue
how anything works.

Yeah, some of us would rather change oil for ourselves and shift gears
for ourselves.

Do you want a carburetor and points ignition for your daily driver too?
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On 4/24/2026 7:56 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-04-21 17:59, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 18:53:24 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

While there are obvious benefits when something breaks, most Apple users >>> are content to just bring their machine to Apple for their professionals >>> to look at it rather than order a new USB port, a new keyboard or a new
motherboard depending on what broke.

Most Apple users also take their Subarus to a certified dealer to get the
windshield washer fluid refilled because they do'nt have a fucking clue
how anything works.

Really... ...stop with this kind of bullshit.

You're just making yourself look petty and stupid.

He has a point, you and Snit are exceptional, there are millions more
lusers with Macs, though. The typical Mac user is a brain-damaged, privileged, bourgeois consumer.
--
Joel W. Crump
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