On 5/25/26 17:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/25/26 8:42 AM, -hh wrote:
On 5/24/26 21:53, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/23/26 11:52 PM, Alan wrote:
Oh, look!
Suddenly, the previous text has been snipped!
"I'm very happy to have allowed the M series MacBook line to mature >>>>> before making the switch. This computer continues to delight and
amaze."
That is an explicit statement that every MacBook prior to the the
one you purchase wasn't "mature" and couldn't "delight" or "amaze".
Exactly where did I say that a M1 was a dog of a computer?
The vs M1 the M4 has a better screen, faster GPU, MagSafe and better
USB connectivity. If I had bought the M1 I probably would have
upgraded by now.
That M1 vs M4 comparison sounds like a reversal of your prior comment:
"I also said that until the M series Macs the G-series/Intel hardware
was not an advantage over x86 Windows."
I saw reviews like this:
"The transition from the Apple M1 to the M4 brings massive gains in
processing speed, memory efficiency, and hardware design. For a
side- by- side comparison of capabilities, see this MacBook Air M4
vs MacBook Air M1 Review."
But your above statement indicates that there were massive advantages
in Intel-to-M1, does it not?
https://www.phonearena.com/reviews/apple-macbook-air-m4-vs-air-
m1_id7134
Read all 15 upgrades please. More value, same price, or nearly so.
You lie when you say M1 vs M4 is just a few tweaks.
The title of that article is:
"Apple MacBook Air M4 vs MacBook Air M1: Finally time to upgrade?"
Plus it also has 'read more' links to:
"Apple MacBook Air M4 vs MacBook Air M2: A small step or a big leap?"
"Apple MacBook Air M4 vs MacBook Air M3: Decent improvements but no
major reasons to upgrade"
It is sufficiently evident IMO that there's been incremental changes
in each generation, such that the point of this article is that as
great as the M1 was when it originally came out back in 2020 (~5.5
years ago now) that ongoing progress makes it worth considering
finally replacing it.
Of course, based on priors it is really that same upgrade cycle
question for x86 based Mac laptop owners that should be looked at,
which includes the question of "what took you so long?"
-hh
Fact: the M4 had quite a few upgrades versus the M1, including a much
faster CPU.
Nope:
the M4 has some upgrades vs the M3.
...and the M3 had upgrades vs the M2.
...and the M2 in turn had upgrades vs the M1.
Opinion: It was a significant upgrade
You're trying to compare a 2025 versus 2020 in a technology product
where its high rate of change has been coined as from "Moore's Law."
I have my opinion, others have there's. To me is was significant. YMMV.
Because you're finally making the transition over from x86.
For regular Mac users, 80-85% of them had already transitioned from
Intel x86 to M chips by the end of last year. Those that have yet to do
so are 'Laggards' as per Everett Rogers' Technology Adoption curve.
But better late then never, of course.
-hh
On 5/25/26 8:40 PM, -hh wrote:
On 5/25/26 17:27, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/25/26 8:42 AM, -hh wrote:
On 5/24/26 21:53, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/23/26 11:52 PM, Alan wrote:
Oh, look!Exactly where did I say that a M1 was a dog of a computer?
Suddenly, the previous text has been snipped!
"I'm very happy to have allowed the M series MacBook line to
mature before making the switch. This computer continues to
delight and amaze."
That is an explicit statement that every MacBook prior to the the >>>>>> one you purchase wasn't "mature" and couldn't "delight" or "amaze". >>>>>
The vs M1 the M4 has a better screen, faster GPU, MagSafe and
better USB connectivity. If I had bought the M1 I probably would
have upgraded by now.
That M1 vs M4 comparison sounds like a reversal of your prior comment: >>>>
"I also said that until the M series Macs the G-series/Intel
hardware was not an advantage over x86 Windows."
I saw reviews like this:
"The transition from the Apple M1 to the M4 brings massive gains in >>>>> processing speed, memory efficiency, and hardware design. For a
side- by- side comparison of capabilities, see this MacBook Air M4
vs MacBook Air M1 Review."
But your above statement indicates that there were massive
advantages in Intel-to-M1, does it not?
https://www.phonearena.com/reviews/apple-macbook-air-m4-vs-air-
m1_id7134
Read all 15 upgrades please. More value, same price, or nearly so.
You lie when you say M1 vs M4 is just a few tweaks.
The title of that article is:
"Apple MacBook Air M4 vs MacBook Air M1: Finally time to upgrade?"
Plus it also has 'read more' links to:
"Apple MacBook Air M4 vs MacBook Air M2: A small step or a big leap?"
"Apple MacBook Air M4 vs MacBook Air M3: Decent improvements but no
major reasons to upgrade"
It is sufficiently evident IMO that there's been incremental changes
in each generation, such that the point of this article is that as
great as the M1 was when it originally came out back in 2020 (~5.5
years ago now) that ongoing progress makes it worth considering
finally replacing it.
Of course, based on priors it is really that same upgrade cycle
question for x86 based Mac laptop owners that should be looked at,
which includes the question of "what took you so long?"
-hh
Fact: the M4 had quite a few upgrades versus the M1, including a much
faster CPU.
Nope:
the M4 has some upgrades vs the M3.
...and the M3 had upgrades vs the M2.
...and the M2 in turn had upgrades vs the M1.
Splitting hairs but it makes my point.
I waited until the cumulative
upgrades, not only the M series processor, but others items too, made it attractive enough to switch. See more below.
Opinion: It was a significant upgrade
You're trying to compare a 2025 versus 2020 in a technology product
where its high rate of change has been coined as from "Moore's Law."
I have my opinion, others have there's. To me is was significant. YMMV.
Because you're finally making the transition over from x86.
For regular Mac users, 80-85% of them had already transitioned from
Intel x86 to M chips by the end of last year. Those that have yet to
do so are 'Laggards' as per Everett Rogers' Technology Adoption curve.
But better late then never, of course.
-hh
My 2021 standard of comparison when the M1 was new was the 15.6" Dell
XPS ...
Remember, I did also buy a
~$3,000 M1 MacBook Pro that bricked and was returned. Bought the Dell a
few days later. Never considered the M1 Air.
Except for battery life (and those loud fans) the Dell XPS was much more computer than the 13" M1 MacBook Air. The Dell was a bit over $3,000
too.
I was working on some consulting projects that needed that level of
storage and computing power.
Hardly a laggard x86 machine was that Dell. This year the Air itself,
and now retired, all changed since 2021 and by quite a lot. For a little over $1,000 the Air more than fits my current needs. Actually, only
about $500 net cost after deducting the XPS sale proceeds.
Had the Air not improved as much as it did I would probably still be
putting up with the Dell's poor battery life.
My 2021 standard of comparison when the M1 was new was the 15.6" Dell
XPS ...
Which was an x86, but you didn't keep your M1 MBP long enough to make a
well informed comparison.
Remember, I did also buy a ~$3,000 M1 MacBook Pro that bricked and was
returned. Bought the Dell a few days later. Never considered the M1 Air.
You had some glitch & got impatient, so you bailed on it. That doesn't mean that the MBP was a bad computer.
Except for battery life (and those loud fans) the Dell XPS was much
more computer than the 13" M1 MacBook Air. The Dell was a bit over
$3,000 too.
The longer that the Apple M series laptops were out, the more that we realized that Windows x86 battery life really did suck. I found my
Dells to have been worse in that regard than the Lenovo's I had prior,
but few (if any) were anything more than "good". I can even recall slogging around a spare battery on trips for one of them.
I was working on some consulting projects that needed that level of
storage and computing power.
And of course, you do know that you can re-run those consulting
projects' models to cross-test your "computing power" claim.
Hardly a laggard x86 machine was that Dell. This year the Air itself,
and now retired, all changed since 2021 and by quite a lot. For a
little over $1,000 the Air more than fits my current needs. Actually,
only about $500 net cost after deducting the XPS sale proceeds.
Had the Air not improved as much as it did I would probably still be
putting up with the Dell's poor battery life.
How much has the Air's battery life improved since its M1 version?
As per this review...
<https://www.laptopmag.com/laptops/macbook-air-13-inch-m4-vs-macbook- air-13-inch-m1-is-it-worth-upgrading>
"All the laptops Laptop Mag reviews go through the same battery life
test, which involves continuous web surfing over Wi-Fi at 150 nits brightness. On this test, the Air M4 lasted an impressive 15 hours and
42 minutes, outlasting the Air M1 (14:41) by about an hour.
The Air M4 is clearly the longer-lasting winner here, but with just an
hour separating the two laptops, overall battery life shouldn't affect
your buying decision."
...the answer is that the jump in battery life vs the likes of x86 Dells occurred with the M1, way back in 2021.
As I said: "But better late then never, of course."
On 5/29/26 8:45 AM, -hh wrote:
My 2021 standard of comparison when the M1 was new was the 15.6" Dell
XPS ...
Which was an x86, but you didn't keep your M1 MBP long enough to make
a well informed comparison.
Did not have them at the same time. But, I ran complex regressions on
both and the solution times were similar.
Remember, I did also buy a ~$3,000 M1 MacBook Pro that bricked and
was returned. Bought the Dell a few days later. Never considered the
M1 Air.
You had some glitch & got impatient, so you bailed on it. That
doesn't mean that the MBP was a bad computer.
A total bricking is not a glitch.
I never said that the M1 MBP was a bad computer. The one I received was.
The Apple Store would not replace it. Repair was going to take some time, and I was under a deadline.
Except for battery life (and those loud fans) the Dell XPS was much
more computer than the 13" M1 MacBook Air. The Dell was a bit over
$3,000 too.
The longer that the Apple M series laptops were out, the more that we
realized that Windows x86 battery life really did suck. I found my
Dells to have been worse in that regard than the Lenovo's I had prior,
but few (if any) were anything more than "good". I can even recall
slogging around a spare battery on trips for one of them.
I was working on some consulting projects that needed that level of
storage and computing power.
And of course, you do know that you can re-run those consulting
projects' models to cross-test your "computing power" claim.
I cannot do that. I do not have the computers or access to the stats software in use at the time.
Hardly a laggard x86 machine was that Dell. This year the Air itself,
and now retired, all changed since 2021 and by quite a lot. For a
little over $1,000 the Air more than fits my current needs. Actually,
only about $500 net cost after deducting the XPS sale proceeds.
Had the Air not improved as much as it did I would probably still be
putting up with the Dell's poor battery life.
How much has the Air's battery life improved since its M1 version?
Not much, but other features have, and my comparison was to the Dell,
not the M1 Air.
As per this review...
<https://www.laptopmag.com/laptops/macbook-air-13-inch-m4-vs-macbook-
air-13-inch-m1-is-it-worth-upgrading>
"All the laptops Laptop Mag reviews go through the same battery life
test, which involves continuous web surfing over Wi-Fi at 150 nits
brightness. On this test, the Air M4 lasted an impressive 15 hours and
42 minutes, outlasting the Air M1 (14:41) by about an hour.
The Air M4 is clearly the longer-lasting winner here, but with just an
hour separating the two laptops, overall battery life shouldn't affect
your buying decision."
...the answer is that the jump in battery life vs the likes of x86
Dells occurred with the M1, way back in 2021.
Yes it did, which is exactly what I said.
Here is what did change that
is important to me:
CPU/GPU speed significantly faster
Standard 16 vs 8 gb RAM
4 vs 2 speakers
MagSafe vs no MagSafe
Thunderbolt 4 vs Thunderbolt 3
Fast charging up to 70 watts vs no fast charging
12mp 1080p camera vs 720p Facetime camera
WiFi 6E vs WiFi6
Slimmer chassis
Same $999 base price as M1. I upgraded to 512GB storage and paid $1,199.
The M1 with 16GB RAM and 512GB storage was $999 +$400 over the base 8GB
and 2156GB configuration. So, better performance, lower price, even
lower if you add general inflation. Admittedly same was true for the M3.
Display, weight, and battery life are similar.
I do not use MagSafe and the Apple 30 watt OEM charger at home. My 100
watt plugable dock supports fast charging at home on a single USB cable. MagSafe is in my travel kit.
As I said: "But better late then never, of course."
Never is a long long time. I'm glad I waited on the M4, do not regret waiting on the M5 that came out just a little later.
Earlier in a different thread I stated intentions to buy a Neo to
replace an aging HP. Given the rumors on Neo v.2 I'll wait on that to
come out.
A total bricking is not a glitch.
Yes, it broke. What mattered was how you coped with it: you stomped
into a store and demanded an immediate & full replacement. That may
happen for a pair of socks at Sears, but not for non-cheap stuff.
I never said that the M1 MBP was a bad computer. The one I received
was. The Apple Store would not replace it. Repair was going to take
some time, and I was under a deadline.
Yet you've had similar instances where you had a PC go down and your solution was to not wait for repair, but just did an outright purchase
of another PC.
Given your recurring claims of high fiscal prosperity, you could have
chosen to do something similar here. For example, instead of demanding
an immediate replacement of the bricked one at a retail outlet, just purchase another M1 MBP outright, and after the first one is serviced, return the second unit for a full refund within the 30 days window.
On 5/30/26 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:
A total bricking is not a glitch.
Yes, it broke. What mattered was how you coped with it: you
stomped into a store and demanded an immediate & full
replacement. That may happen for a pair of socks at Sears, but
not for non-cheap stuff.
Except that is not at all what happened. I took it in, had it
evaluated, and calmly requested a refund when the staff confirmed it
needed repair. As it was just within the 2 week grace period the
refund was immediate.
I never said that the M1 MBP was a bad computer. The one I
received was. The Apple Store would not replace it. Repair was
going to take some time, and I was under a deadline.
Yet you've had similar instances where you had a PC go down and
your solution was to not wait for repair, but just did an outright
purchase of another PC.
Right, on the road in Utah, on vacation, on the way to Monterey CA
for a consulting gig. The hard drive failed. I went to the WalMart
across the street an plopped down $1,000 for a new HP. Still have
it. I was not about to take a day or two out of the trip to see if
it could be fixed. Upon returning home I removed the faulty drive
and destroyed it. The PC went to a recycle bin. Data files were
reloaded from and online backup on the way to Monterey.
Given your recurring claims of high fiscal prosperity, you could
have chosen to do something similar here. For example, instead
of demanding an immediate replacement of the bricked one at a
retail outlet, just purchase another M1 MBP outright, and after
the first one is serviced, return the second unit for a full
refund within the 30 days window.
Except the Apple grace period is 2 weeks, not 30 days. I asked
about your strategy and the store could not guarantee a 2 week
repair turnaround. Thinking about it now, I recall they did not have
another exact replacement in stock either.
https://www.apple.com/shop/help/returns_refund
"You have 14 calendar days to return an item from the date you
received it."
"Only items that have been purchased directly from Apple, either
online or at an Apple Retail Store, can be returned to Apple. Apple
products purchased through other retailers must be returned in
accordance with their respective returns and refunds policy."
Very surprised that you do not know that.>
On 5/30/26 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:
......
Given your recurring claims of high fiscal prosperity, you could have
chosen to do something similar here. For example, instead of
demanding an immediate replacement of the bricked one at a retail
outlet, just purchase another M1 MBP outright, and after the first one
is serviced, return the second unit for a full refund...
And BTW, last year we bought 2 new cars and wrote checks for the net amounts.
I have not financed purchases since we paid the house off over
20 years ago. Our two credit cards are paid off monthly.
And, I'm not going to share any updated personal financials.
The stock market has been VERY good to us the past years.
On 2026-05-30 20:21, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/30/26 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:
A total bricking is not a glitch.
Yes, it broke. What mattered was how you coped with it: you
stomped into a store and demanded an immediate & full
replacement. That may happen for a pair of socks at Sears, but
not for non-cheap stuff.
Except that is not at all what happened. I took it in, had it
evaluated, and calmly requested a refund when the staff confirmed it
needed repair. As it was just within the 2 week grace period the
refund was immediate.
So with that refund, you could have immediately bought a new unit...
...putting paid to your claim that you didn't get a replacement
because they wouldn't give you one, doesn't it?
I never said that the M1 MBP was a bad computer. The one I
received was. The Apple Store would not replace it. Repair was
going to take some time, and I was under a deadline.
Yet you've had similar instances where you had a PC go down and
your solution was to not wait for repair, but just did an outright
purchase of another PC.
Right, on the road in Utah, on vacation, on the way to Monterey CA
for a consulting gig. The hard drive failed. I went to the WalMart
across the street an plopped down $1,000 for a new HP. Still have
it. I was not about to take a day or two out of the trip to see if
it could be fixed. Upon returning home I removed the faulty drive
and destroyed it. The PC went to a recycle bin. Data files were
reloaded from and online backup on the way to Monterey.
Given your recurring claims of high fiscal prosperity, you could
have chosen to do something similar here. For example, instead
of demanding an immediate replacement of the bricked one at a
retail outlet, just purchase another M1 MBP outright, and after
the first one is serviced, return the second unit for a full
refund within the 30 days window.
Except the Apple grace period is 2 weeks, not 30 days. I asked
about your strategy and the store could not guarantee a 2 week
repair turnaround. Thinking about it now, I recall they did not have
another exact replacement in stock either.
https://www.apple.com/shop/help/returns_refund
"You have 14 calendar days to return an item from the date you
received it."
"Only items that have been purchased directly from Apple, either
online or at an Apple Retail Store, can be returned to Apple. Apple
products purchased through other retailers must be returned in
accordance with their respective returns and refunds policy."
Very surprised that you do not know that.>
I'm not at all surprised that you didn't quote this part of the same page:
'Exchange an item
If you purchased your item from Apple in the U.S., you can take it to
any U.S. Apple Store for an exchange. Item exchanges are, of course,
subject to in-store product availability. It's a good idea to check if a product is in stock by visiting apple.com and then seeing if it's
available for pickup at a store nearby.'
On 5/31/26 00:48, Alan wrote:
On 2026-05-30 20:21, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/30/26 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:
A total bricking is not a glitch.
Yes, it broke. What mattered was how you coped with it: you
stomped into a store and demanded an immediate & full
replacement. That may happen for a pair of socks at Sears, but
not for non-cheap stuff.
Except that is not at all what happened. I took it in, had it
evaluated, and calmly requested a refund when the staff confirmed it
needed repair. As it was just within the 2 week grace period the
refund was immediate.
So with that refund, you could have immediately bought a new unit...
...putting paid to your claim that you didn't get a replacement
because they wouldn't give you one, doesn't it?
Hmm...that does seem quite odd.
I never said that the M1 MBP was a bad computer. The one I
received was. The Apple Store would not replace it. Repair was
going to take some time, and I was under a deadline.
Yet you've had similar instances where you had a PC go down and
your solution was to not wait for repair, but just did an outright
purchase of another PC.
Right, on the road in Utah, on vacation, on the way to Monterey CA
for a consulting gig. The hard drive failed. I went to the WalMart
across the street an plopped down $1,000 for a new HP. Still have
it. I was not about to take a day or two out of the trip to see if
it could be fixed. Upon returning home I removed the faulty drive
and destroyed it. The PC went to a recycle bin. Data files were
reloaded from and online backup on the way to Monterey.
So for the want of just a replacement HDD, an otherwise still functional
PC laptop was totally scrapped? Sounds like its age must have had been stretched way beyond conventional lifecycles/etc.
Given your recurring claims of high fiscal prosperity, you could
have chosen to do something similar here. For example, instead
of demanding an immediate replacement of the bricked one at a
retail outlet, just purchase another M1 MBP outright, and after
the first one is serviced, return the second unit for a full
refund within the 30 days window.
Except the Apple grace period is 2 weeks, not 30 days. I asked
about your strategy and the store could not guarantee a 2 week
repair turnaround. Thinking about it now, I recall they did not have
another exact replacement in stock either.
https://www.apple.com/shop/help/returns_refund
"You have 14 calendar days to return an item from the date you
received it."
I stand corrected on 30 days, but its a moot point since Tommy has said
that he was within the 14 day returns period.
"Only items that have been purchased directly from Apple, either
online or at an Apple Retail Store, can be returned to Apple. Apple
products purchased through other retailers must be returned in
accordance with their respective returns and refunds policy."
Very surprised that you do not know that.>
I'm not at all surprised that you didn't quote this part of the same
page:
'Exchange an item
If you purchased your item from Apple in the U.S., you can take it to
any U.S. Apple Store for an exchange. Item exchanges are, of course,
subject to in-store product availability. It's a good idea to check if
a product is in stock by visiting apple.com and then seeing if it's
available for pickup at a store nearby.'
It would appear that the non-availability would have had something to do with how Tommy claimed to have bought the M1 "and paid $1,199", yet he
then "took the ~$3,000 refund and applied almost the entire amount to
the Dell purchase."
-hh
I'm not at all surprised that you didn't quote this part of the same page:
'Exchange an item
If you purchased your item from Apple in the U.S., you can take it to
any U.S. Apple Store for an exchange. Item exchanges are, of course,
subject to in-store product availability. It's a good idea to check if a product is in stock by visiting apple.com and then seeing if it's
available for pickup at a store nearby.'
It would appear that the non-availability would have had something to do with how Tommy claimed to have bought the M1 "and paid $1,199", yet he
then "took the ~$3,000 refund and applied almost the entire amount to
the Dell purchase."
On 5/31/26 7:22 AM, -hh wrote:
It would appear that the non-availability would have had something to
do with how Tommy claimed to have bought the M1 "and paid $1,199", yet
he then "took the ~$3,000 refund and applied almost the entire amount
to the Dell purchase."
OMG, now you have totally lost it! $1,199 is the 2026 price I paid for
this M4 Air I am using right now. The 2001 M1 MBP was a bit over $3,000,
as was the Dell.
To be fair that MBP cost included Apple mouse and
keyboard which were also returned.
Hugh, give it up. You don't know Apple's return policy, can't keep
purchases 5 years apart straight, and offer advice without full
knowledge. You are starting to look very foolish.
Asides: The aging Toshiba that the $1,000 HP replaced in 2017 was worth
very little for parts.
I was under time pressure and elected to trash it.
What little it was worth was not material to me. I still have that
HP. It's happily running Windows 11 25H2. But by 2021 and the consulting
job I was working on I wanted something faster.
And I forgot to remind you that in 2021 Windows for ARM running in
Parallels was a Beta version with no certain future. I was doing my
project stats in an Excel add-in, Windows-only Analyze-It. Why? It had
all I needed and was only about $150 a year to rent. Ran fine, but in
the back of my mind I was wondering if Microsoft was going to ever
release the beta as a finished project. That plus the time pressure also played a role in going back to Windows. In 20-20 hindsight Parallels has
a Microsoft-supported Apple M CPU compatible Windows version.
On 5/30/26 23:21, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/30/26 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:
......
Given your recurring claims of high fiscal prosperity, you could have
chosen to do something similar here. For example, instead of
demanding an immediate replacement of the bricked one at a retail
outlet, just purchase another M1 MBP outright, and after the first
one is serviced, return the second unit for a full refund...
And BTW, last year we bought 2 new cars and wrote checks for the net
amounts.
But Tommy's "not going to share any updated personal financials"...
In any event, the Hondas or Subarus (or whatever) which Tommy buys
typically aren't all that expensive, especially the net after trade-in.
I have not financed purchases since we paid the house off over 20
years ago. Our two credit cards are paid off monthly.
But Tommy's "not going to share any updated personal financials"...
FYI, there's some nasty fine print in the Capital One terms change for Discover Card holders: one can no longer use your retained "cashback" credit to pay off a monthly balance without incurring a penalty.
The legal language is wonky, but it means that one must use new cash
(from an external account) to pay at least the "minimum monthly balance" each month, even if one could otherwise pay off the balance in full from
an existing cashback balance.
And, I'm not going to share any updated personal financials.
Too late, since you already _tried_ to do that in the above.
489,080
The stock market has been VERY good to us the past years.
Of course, the numbers exist only on paper until it is converted to cash/cash equivalents.
Classically, one does that by taking gains out of Equities, prior to the overvaluation bubble popping. The challenge is the YMMV on personal
risk tolerance as the Market climbs its wall of worry, as the rate of
gain is greatest during the last part of the melt-up, where risks are highest. It is the fortunate person who no longer needs to play that
risk game.
-hh
But now that it has been brought back into my attention, you've created
the appearance of trying to compare a minimal-spec 2021 M1 MBP to a
current M4 MBA, despite your actual 2021 M1 MBP allegedly cost $3,000. That's a far cry from being a minimal spec machine you used in your M1
vs M4 comparison in this thread.
On 5/31/26 4:10 PM, -hh wrote:
But now that it has been brought back into my attention, you've
created the appearance of trying to compare a minimal-spec 2021 M1 MBP
to a current M4 MBA, despite your actual 2021 M1 MBP allegedly cost
$3,000. That's a far cry from being a minimal spec machine you used in
your M1 vs M4 comparison in this thread.
It was not a minimal spec M1 MBP.
One of Apple's standard configuration was
$2,699: M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 1TB SSD
and I paid $200 to upgrade RAM to 32 gb. Add keyboard, mouse and tax the total was over $3,000 even with my education discount.
The base model was
$1,999: M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD
Why do you think I quoted $3000?
On 5/31/26 7:22 AM, -hh wrote:
On 5/30/26 23:21, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/30/26 6:06 AM, -hh wrote:
......
Given your recurring claims of high fiscal prosperity, you could
have chosen to do something similar here. For example, instead of
demanding an immediate replacement of the bricked one at a retail
outlet, just purchase another M1 MBP outright, and after the first
one is serviced, return the second unit for a full refund...
And BTW, last year we bought 2 new cars and wrote checks for the net
amounts.
But Tommy's "not going to share any updated personal financials"...
In any event, the Hondas or Subarus (or whatever) which Tommy buys
typically aren't all that expensive, especially the net after trade-in.
I have not financed purchases since we paid the house off over 20
years ago. Our two credit cards are paid off monthly.
But Tommy's "not going to share any updated personal financials"...
FYI, there's some nasty fine print in the Capital One terms change for
Discover Card holders: one can no longer use your retained "cashback"
credit to pay off a monthly balance without incurring a penalty.
The legal language is wonky, but it means that one must use new cash
(from an external account) to pay at least the "minimum monthly
balance" each month, even if one could otherwise pay off the balance
in full from an existing cashback balance.
And, I'm not going to share any updated personal financials.
Too late, since you already _tried_ to do that in the above.
489,080
The stock market has been VERY good to us the past years.
Of course, the numbers exist only on paper until it is converted to
cash/cash equivalents.
Classically, one does that by taking gains out of Equities, prior to
the overvaluation bubble popping. The challenge is the YMMV on
personal risk tolerance as the Market climbs its wall of worry, as the
rate of gain is greatest during the last part of the melt-up, where
risks are highest. It is the fortunate person who no longer needs to
play that risk game.
-hh
Just responding to your poverty claim without giving any numbers at all.
Midpoint ~$35K
I do not have a Capital One card.
That really stinks.
And it looks like the flat rate is 1.5% compared to 2% on our Visa
and Mastercard accounts with no account credit redemption limits.
You are right about the current market risk. And it's looking a bitThere's also the aspect of having "won the game", as it gets to where
frothy these days. But I have never had any luck trying to time the
market. The long game has served us well. Until it doesn't of course.
Which is why I have diversified into some less volatile funds.
On 6/1/26 16:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/31/26 4:10 PM, -hh wrote:
But now that it has been brought back into my attention, you've
created the appearance of trying to compare a minimal-spec 2021 M1
MBP to a current M4 MBA, despite your actual 2021 M1 MBP allegedly
cost $3,000. That's a far cry from being a minimal spec machine you
used in your M1 vs M4 comparison in this thread.
It was not a minimal spec M1 MBP.
We've since figured that out.
One of Apple's standard configuration was
$2,699: M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 1TB SSD
and I paid $200 to upgrade RAM to 32 gb. Add keyboard, mouse and tax
the total was over $3,000 even with my education discount.
The base model was
$1,999: M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD
Why do you think I quoted $3000?
Because what you bought in 2021 simply wasn't the base model that you
just used in your hardware specs comparison to the M4. It would have
made more sense for you to have used your 2021's hardware specs.
-hh
On 6/1/26 10:07 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/1/26 16:51, Tom Elam wrote:
On 5/31/26 4:10 PM, -hh wrote:
But now that it has been brought back into my attention, you've
created the appearance of trying to compare a minimal-spec 2021 M1
MBP to a current M4 MBA, despite your actual 2021 M1 MBP allegedly
cost $3,000. That's a far cry from being a minimal spec machine you
used in your M1 vs M4 comparison in this thread.
It was not a minimal spec M1 MBP.
We've since figured that out.
One of Apple's standard configuration was
$2,699: M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 1TB SSD
and I paid $200 to upgrade RAM to 32 gb. Add keyboard, mouse and tax
the total was over $3,000 even with my education discount.
The base model was
$1,999: M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD
Why do you think I quoted $3000?
Because what you bought in 2021 simply wasn't the base model that you
just used in your hardware specs comparison to the M4. It would have
made more sense for you to have used your 2021's hardware specs.
-hh
You have totally lost the plot. Let's start over.
The 2021 comparison was a M1 MBP vs. a Dell XPS. Specs, price and performance were similar.
But you posted this:
[quote]
Yes it did, which is exactly what I said. Here is what did change that
is important to me:
CPU/GPU speed significantly faster
Standard 16 vs 8 gb RAM
4 vs 2 speakers
MagSafe vs no MagSafe
Thunderbolt 4 vs Thunderbolt 3
Fast charging up to 70 watts vs no fast charging
12mp 1080p camera vs 720p Facetime camera
WiFi 6E vs WiFi6
Slimmer chassis
Same $999 base price as M1. I upgraded to 512GB storage and paid $1,199.
The M1 with 16GB RAM and 512GB storage was $999 +$400 over the base 8GB
and 2156GB configuration. So, better performance, lower price, even
lower if you add general inflation. Admittedly same was true for the M3. [/quote]
That M1 does not represent the M1 which you bought back in 2021
Why didn't you make the above comparison to your 2021 M1's specs?
On 6/2/26 11:27 AM, -hh wrote:
But you posted this:
[quote]
Yes it did, which is exactly what I said. Here is what did change that
is important to me:
CPU/GPU speed significantly faster
Standard 16 vs 8 gb RAM
4 vs 2 speakers
MagSafe vs no MagSafe
Thunderbolt 4 vs Thunderbolt 3
Fast charging up to 70 watts vs no fast charging
12mp 1080p camera vs 720p Facetime camera
WiFi 6E vs WiFi6
Slimmer chassis
Same $999 base price as M1. I upgraded to 512GB storage and paid
$1,199. The M1 with 16GB RAM and 512GB storage was $999 +$400 over the
base 8GB and 2156GB configuration. So, better performance, lower
price, even lower if you add general inflation. Admittedly same was
true for the M3.
[/quote]
That M1 does not represent the M1 which you bought back in 2021
Why didn't you make the above comparison to your 2021 M1's specs?
Because my circumstances changed and I was responding to Baker's
questioning M1 Air vs. M4 Air differences.
That M1 does not represent the M1 which you bought back in 2021
Why didn't you make the above comparison to your 2021 M1's specs?
On 6/2/26 11:27 AM, -hh wrote:
That M1 does not represent the M1 which you bought back in 2021
Why didn't you make the above comparison to your 2021 M1's specs?
So, let's take a stab at that
Base 2021 MBP Specs
$1,999: M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD
My MBP's Specs:
$2,699: M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, 1TB SSD
Base 2026 13" M4 Air specs
$999, Apple M4 CPU, 10-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16GB RAM 256GB SSD.
My M4 Spec:
$1,199 with 512GB SSD upgrade
All else except screen size about the same.
I wanted the smaller and
lighter Air version versus the 16" MBP and the 15" M4 Air. With that
smaller size I got less weight, no fans, and similar perceived
performance. The smaller screen helps offset the GPU difference.
And, I paid $1,500 less than the 2021 M1 MBP. Not the same exact specs,
but my needs have changed significantly. The 2021 M1 Air is faster than
the 2017 HP, but as shown versus the 2026 M4 Air a lot has changed.
Now if we compare my M4 Air to the base 14" M4 MBP the Apple list price
was $1,599. Given my lower demands now versus 2021 I could not justify
the extra $400 for the MBP.
On 6/2/26 16:19, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/2/26 11:27 AM, -hh wrote:
That M1 does not represent the M1 which you bought back in 2021
Why didn't you make the above comparison to your 2021 M1's specs?
So, let's take a stab at that
Base 2021 MBP Specs
$1,999: M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD
My MBP's Specs:
$2,699: M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, 1TB SSD
Base 2026 13" M4 Air specs
$999, Apple M4 CPU, 10-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16GB RAM 256GB SSD.
My M4 Spec:
$1,199 with 512GB SSD upgrade
All else except screen size about the same.
Oh, so the CPU/GPU speeds are all the same?
And 16 vs 32 vs 8 gb RAM doesn't matter anymore?
Nor 4 vs 2 speakers?
Or MagSafe vs no MagSafe?
Let alone Thunderbolt 5, 4 vs 3?
Fast charging up to 70 watts vs no fast charging?
12mp 1080p camera vs 720p Facetime camera?
WiFi 6E vs WiFi6?
I wanted the smaller and lighter Air version versus the 16" MBP and
the 15" M4 Air. With that smaller size I got less weight, no fans, and
similar perceived performance. The smaller screen helps offset the GPU
difference.
But of course there's also the 14" MBP.
And, I paid $1,500 less than the 2021 M1 MBP. Not the same exact
specs, but my needs have changed significantly. The 2021 M1 Air is
faster than the 2017 HP, but as shown versus the 2026 M4 Air a lot has
changed.
Except for how you were pointing out all of those differences prior.
Now if we compare my M4 Air to the base 14" M4 MBP the Apple list
price was $1,599. Given my lower demands now versus 2021 I could not
justify the extra $400 for the MBP.
Except for going from a 13" to 14" display.
-hh
On 6/2/26 4:46 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/2/26 16:19, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/2/26 11:27 AM, -hh wrote:
That M1 does not represent the M1 which you bought back in 2021
Why didn't you make the above comparison to your 2021 M1's specs?
So, let's take a stab at that
Base 2021 MBP Specs
$1,999: M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD
My MBP's Specs:
$2,699: M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, 1TB SSD
Base 2026 13" M4 Air specs
$999, Apple M4 CPU, 10-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16GB RAM 256GB SSD.
My M4 Spec:
$1,199 with 512GB SSD upgrade
All else except screen size about the same.
Oh, so the CPU/GPU speeds are all the same?
No, the core numbers are about the same
And 16 vs 32 vs 8 gb RAM doesn't matter anymore?
Yes it does, but 16 is enough now, was not in 2021
Nor 4 vs 2 speakers?
Or MagSafe vs no MagSafe?
Let alone Thunderbolt 5, 4 vs 3?
Fast charging up to 70 watts vs no fast charging?
12mp 1080p camera vs 720p Facetime camera?
WiFi 6E vs WiFi6?
Yes they do, but above is 2021 MBP spec vs not 2021 Air
Hugh, you have aggregated all the specs for the 2021 MBP and Air versus
the 2026 Air and lumped them together to create a confusing comparison.
I wanted the smaller and lighter Air version versus the 16" MBP and
the 15" M4 Air. With that smaller size I got less weight, no fans, and
similar perceived performance. The smaller screen helps offset the GPU
difference.
But of course there's also the 14" MBP.
Covered below.
And, I paid $1,500 less than the 2021 M1 MBP. Not the same exact
specs, but my needs have changed significantly. The 2021 M1 Air is
faster than the 2017 HP, but as shown versus the 2026 M4 Air a lot has
changed.
Except for how you were pointing out all of those differences prior.
You are confusing the 2021 model spec comparison
Now if we compare my M4 Air to the base 14" M4 MBP the Apple list
price was $1,599. Given my lower demands now versus 2021 I could not
justify the extra $400 for the MBP.
Except for going from a 13" to 14" display.
Not material to me.
Tom Elam <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/2/26 4:46 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/2/26 16:19, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/2/26 11:27 AM, -hh wrote:
That M1 does not represent the M1 which you bought back in 2021
Why didn't you make the above comparison to your 2021 M1's specs?
So, let's take a stab at that
Base 2021 MBP Specs
$1,999: M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD
My MBP's Specs:
$2,699: M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, 1TB SSD
Base 2026 13" M4 Air specs
$999, Apple M4 CPU, 10-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16GB RAM 256GB SSD.
My M4 Spec:
$1,199 with 512GB SSD upgrade
All else except screen size about the same.
Oh, so the CPU/GPU speeds are all the same?
No, the core numbers are about the same
So then you were lying when you claimed this differentiation. Check.
And 16 vs 32 vs 8 gb RAM doesn't matter anymore?
Yes it does, but 16 is enough now, was not in 2021
But it was a trivial price change then.
Nor 4 vs 2 speakers?
Or MagSafe vs no MagSafe?
Let alone Thunderbolt 5, 4 vs 3?
Fast charging up to 70 watts vs no fast charging?
12mp 1080p camera vs 720p Facetime camera?
WiFi 6E vs WiFi6?
Yes they do, but above is 2021 MBP spec vs not 2021 Air
Doesn’t matter, because a 2021 MBP was what you bought.
Hugh, you have aggregated all the specs for the 2021 MBP and Air versus
the 2026 Air and lumped them together to create a confusing comparison.
Nope: I quoted what you posted, so all aggregation and lumping was by you.
I wanted the smaller and lighter Air version versus the 16" MBP and
the 15" M4 Air. With that smaller size I got less weight, no fans, and >>>> similar perceived performance. The smaller screen helps offset the GPU >>>> difference.
But of course there's also the 14" MBP.
Covered below.
Only in that you went smaller in 2026, not 2021.
And, I paid $1,500 less than the 2021 M1 MBP. Not the same exact
specs, but my needs have changed significantly. The 2021 M1 Air is
faster than the 2017 HP, but as shown versus the 2026 M4 Air a lot has >>>> changed.
Except for how you were pointing out all of those differences prior.
You are confusing the 2021 model spec comparison
No, I started with a quote of what you said were noteworthy differences.
Now if we compare my M4 Air to the base 14" M4 MBP the Apple list
price was $1,599. Given my lower demands now versus 2021 I could not
justify the extra $400 for the MBP.
Except for going from a 13" to 14" display.
Not material to me.
It depends. I’ve used various sizes and find that going below 14” quickly
gets marginal. Especially with age and vision correction needs. It
appears that 14”-15” is the sweet spot for utility vs transportability.
-hh
On 6/3/26 8:32 AM, -hh wrote:
Tom Elam <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/2/26 4:46 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/2/26 16:19, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/2/26 11:27 AM, -hh wrote:
That M1 does not represent the M1 which you bought back in 2021
Why didn't you make the above comparison to your 2021 M1's specs?
So, let's take a stab at that
Base 2021 MBP Specs
$1,999: M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD
My MBP's Specs:
$2,699: M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, 1TB SSD
Base 2026 13" M4 Air specs
$999, Apple M4 CPU, 10-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16GB RAM 256GB SSD.
My M4 Spec:
$1,199 with 512GB SSD upgrade
All else except screen size about the same.
Oh, so the CPU/GPU speeds are all the same?
No, the core numbers are about the same
So then you were lying when you claimed this differentiation. Check.
And 16 vs 32 vs 8 gb RAM doesn't matter anymore?
Yes it does, but 16 is enough now, was not in 2021
But it was a trivial price change then.
Nor 4 vs 2 speakers?
Or MagSafe vs no MagSafe?
Let alone Thunderbolt 5, 4 vs 3?
Fast charging up to 70 watts vs no fast charging?
12mp 1080p camera vs 720p Facetime camera?
WiFi 6E vs WiFi6?
Yes they do, but above is 2021 MBP spec vs not 2021 Air
Doesn’t matter, because a 2021 MBP was what you bought.
Hugh, you have aggregated all the specs for the 2021 MBP and Air versus
the 2026 Air and lumped them together to create a confusing comparison.
Nope: I quoted what you posted, so all aggregation and lumping was by
you.
I wanted the smaller and lighter Air version versus the 16" MBP and
the 15" M4 Air. With that smaller size I got less weight, no fans, and >>>>> similar perceived performance. The smaller screen helps offset the GPU >>>>> difference.
But of course there's also the 14" MBP.
Covered below.
Only in that you went smaller in 2026, not 2021.
And, I paid $1,500 less than the 2021 M1 MBP. Not the same exact
specs, but my needs have changed significantly. The 2021 M1 Air is
faster than the 2017 HP, but as shown versus the 2026 M4 Air a lot has >>>>> changed.
Except for how you were pointing out all of those differences prior.
You are confusing the 2021 model spec comparison
No, I started with a quote of what you said were noteworthy differences.
Now if we compare my M4 Air to the base 14" M4 MBP the Apple list
price was $1,599. Given my lower demands now versus 2021 I could not >>>>> justify the extra $400 for the MBP.
Except for going from a 13" to 14" display.
Not material to me.
It depends. I’ve used various sizes and find that going below 14”
quickly
gets marginal. Especially with age and vision correction needs. It
appears that 14”-15” is the sweet spot for utility vs transportability. >>
-hh
We make rational decisions at a point in time. Decisions based on
knowledge and what you want achieved at that time. Then time goes by.
Lots of things change. You make another similar decision and it's
different from prior. Both were valid decisions at the time they were made.
You are very fond of projecting your criteria onto others. Take screen
size. I thought 13" might not to work either. Then I tested that. Gained some useful knowledge. It does for me on a Mac. I have 20-20 vision at screen distance, and have since cataract surgery ~15 years ago. Made a decision and kept the Mac.
Have you tried the 13" MacBook Air? YMMV
On 6/3/26 8:32 AM, -hh wrote:
Tom Elam <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/2/26 4:46 PM, -hh wrote:
On 6/2/26 16:19, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/2/26 11:27 AM, -hh wrote:
That M1 does not represent the M1 which you bought back in 2021
Why didn't you make the above comparison to your 2021 M1's specs?
So, let's take a stab at that
Base 2021 MBP Specs
$1,999: M1 Pro 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD
My MBP's Specs:
$2,699: M1 Pro 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 32GB of RAM, 1TB SSD
Base 2026 13" M4 Air specs
$999, Apple M4 CPU, 10-core CPU, 8-core GPU, 16GB RAM 256GB SSD.
My M4 Spec:
$1,199 with 512GB SSD upgrade
All else except screen size about the same.
Oh, so the CPU/GPU speeds are all the same?
No, the core numbers are about the same
So then you were lying when you claimed this differentiation. Check.
And 16 vs 32 vs 8 gb RAM doesn't matter anymore?
Yes it does, but 16 is enough now, was not in 2021
But it was a trivial price change then.
Nor 4 vs 2 speakers?
Or MagSafe vs no MagSafe?
Let alone Thunderbolt 5, 4 vs 3?
Fast charging up to 70 watts vs no fast charging?
12mp 1080p camera vs 720p Facetime camera?
WiFi 6E vs WiFi6?
Yes they do, but above is 2021 MBP spec vs not 2021 Air
Doesn’t matter, because a 2021 MBP was what you bought.
Hugh, you have aggregated all the specs for the 2021 MBP and Air versus
the 2026 Air and lumped them together to create a confusing comparison.
Nope: I quoted what you posted, so all aggregation and lumping was by you. >>
I wanted the smaller and lighter Air version versus the 16" MBP and
the 15" M4 Air. With that smaller size I got less weight, no fans, and >>>>> similar perceived performance. The smaller screen helps offset the GPU >>>>> difference.
But of course there's also the 14" MBP.
Covered below.
Only in that you went smaller in 2026, not 2021.
And, I paid $1,500 less than the 2021 M1 MBP. Not the same exact
specs, but my needs have changed significantly. The 2021 M1 Air is
faster than the 2017 HP, but as shown versus the 2026 M4 Air a lot has >>>>> changed.
Except for how you were pointing out all of those differences prior.
You are confusing the 2021 model spec comparison
No, I started with a quote of what you said were noteworthy differences.
Now if we compare my M4 Air to the base 14" M4 MBP the Apple list
price was $1,599. Given my lower demands now versus 2021 I could not >>>>> justify the extra $400 for the MBP.
Except for going from a 13" to 14" display.
Not material to me.
It depends. I’ve used various sizes and find that going below 14” quickly
gets marginal. Especially with age and vision correction needs. It
appears that 14”-15” is the sweet spot for utility vs transportability. >>
-hh
We make rational decisions at a point in time. Decisions based on
knowledge and what you want achieved at that time. Then time goes by.
Lots of things change. You make another similar decision and it's
different from prior. Both were valid decisions at the time they were made.
You are very fond of projecting your criteria onto others.
Take screen
size. I thought 13" might not to work either. Then I tested that. Gained some useful knowledge. It does for me on a Mac. I have 20-20 vision at screen distance, and have since cataract surgery ~15 years ago. Made a decision and kept the Mac.
Have you tried the 13" MacBook Air? YMMV
On 6/4/26 8:44 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/3/26 8:32 AM, -hh wrote:13" is not a big enough screen... unless it has the sharpness of the
…. Especially with age and vision correction needs. It
appears that 14”-15” is the sweet spot for utility vs transportability. >…
ones Apple uses.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/4/26 8:44 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/3/26 8:32 AM, -hh wrote:…
…. Especially with age and vision correction needs. It
appears that 14”-15” is the sweet spot for utility vs transportability.
13" is not a big enough screen... unless it has the sharpness of the
ones Apple uses.
It’s not screen sharpness as much as one’s visual acuity (vs age). For our
visual perception peaks by age 20-25, and it’s all downhill from there…even
notwithstanding cataracts surgery, because that doesn’t restore max PD.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/4/26 8:44 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/3/26 8:32 AM, -hh wrote:…
…. Especially with age and vision correction needs. It
appears that 14”-15” is the sweet spot for utility vs transportability.
13" is not a big enough screen... unless it has the sharpness of the
ones Apple uses.
It’s not screen sharpness as much as one’s visual acuity (vs age). For our
visual perception peaks by age 20-25, and it’s all downhill from there…even
notwithstanding cataracts surgery, because that doesn’t restore max PD.
-hh
On 2026-06-04 3:39 p.m., -hh wrote:
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6/4/26 8:44 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/3/26 8:32 AM, -hh wrote:…
…. Especially with age and vision correction needs. It
appears that 14”-15” is the sweet spot for utility vs transportability.
13" is not a big enough screen... unless it has the sharpness of the
ones Apple uses.
It’s not screen sharpness as much as one’s visual acuity (vs age). For our
visual perception peaks by age 20-25, and it’s all downhill from there…even
notwithstanding cataracts surgery, because that doesn’t restore max PD.
I'm starting to see my own vision worsen, but it's not significant yet.
I'm mostly just noticing that I have a lot more trouble reading the tiny print on the labels of products.
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2026-06-04 3:39 p.m., -hh wrote:
CrudeSausage <[email protected]> wrote:I'm starting to see my own vision worsen, but it's not significant yet.
On 6/4/26 8:44 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
On 6/3/26 8:32 AM, -hh wrote:…
…. Especially with age and vision correction needs. It
appears that 14”-15” is the sweet spot for utility vs transportability.
13" is not a big enough screen... unless it has the sharpness of the
ones Apple uses.
It’s not screen sharpness as much as one’s visual acuity (vs age). For our
visual perception peaks by age 20-25, and it’s all downhill from there…even
notwithstanding cataracts surgery, because that doesn’t restore max PD. >>
I'm mostly just noticing that I have a lot more trouble reading the tiny
print on the labels of products.
Yup. And the degradation of max PD is why night vision goes to hell.
At age ~80, it’s <4mm, which vs peak of youth is an aperture area loss of ~70% for light gathering, which can also affect what one can resolve; classical photometric line pairs go from B&W to grey…
<https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rsos/article/11/6/191613/66487/Regulation-of-pupil-size-in-natural-vision-across>
-hh
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