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It is very nice. I paid $600 plus tax and shipping for the 512GB model. No, not from Apple. It was a pure "impulse buy".

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality for the price. I have paid WAY more for plastic Windows laptops. Screen is great,
sound is great. Can run a second screen via the USB-C port. Great battery
life of course.

Only minor gripe I have is that the keyboard is not backlit. But it does not have the usual black keys. The keys are light colors so they are easy to see.

I have other Macs, including a much larger and heavier MacBook Pro. For everyday use, this a Go To laptop.

I can see why these are selling so well.
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On 2026-05-30 9:42 a.m., Nick Charles wrote:

It is very nice. I paid $600 plus tax and shipping for the 512GB model. No, not from Apple. It was a pure "impulse buy".

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality for the price. I have paid WAY more for plastic Windows laptops. Screen is great, sound is great. Can run a second screen via the USB-C port. Great battery life of course.

Only minor gripe I have is that the keyboard is not backlit. But it does not have the usual black keys. The keys are light colors so they are easy to see.

I have other Macs, including a much larger and heavier MacBook Pro. For everyday use, this a Go To laptop.

I can see why these are selling so well.

The MacBook Air M4 was an impulse buy for me as well. I like it, but I
am now realizing how pointless of a purchase it truly was. It will make
a nice little work machine, but it is otherwise of no real use to me.
Still, it feels nice not to have to suffer from fTPM stuttering for a bit.
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Zephyrus G14 2021
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On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality for the price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...
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On 2026-05-30 22:45, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality for the
price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...

Why must you just make shit up?
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On May 31, 2026 at 1:45:23 AM EDT, "Lawrence D´Oliveiro" <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality for the
price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...

I wonder what happens when you ever have a coherent thought...
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On May 31, 2026 at 2:17:31 AM EDT, "Alan" <[email protected]> wrote:

On 2026-05-30 22:45, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality for the >>> price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...

Why must you just make shit up?

AND he added unrelated groups. A total idiot.
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On 5/31/26 1:45 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality for the
price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...

Simple, NEO v.2 with a faster processor and likely more RAM at the same
or slightly higher price. It's what Apple does. Wait for V.2.
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On Sun, 31 May 2026 12:25:24 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:

On 5/31/26 1:45 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality
for the price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...

Simple, NEO v.2 with a faster processor and likely more RAM at the
same or slightly higher price. It's what Apple does. Wait for V.2.

But if they’re not leftover surplus chips any more, then the price
will have to rise.
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Lawrence D´Oliveiro <[email protected]d> wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2026 12:25:24 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:

On 5/31/26 1:45 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality
for the price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...

Simple, NEO v.2 with a faster processor and likely more RAM at the
same or slightly higher price. It's what Apple does. Wait for V.2.

But if they’re not leftover surplus chips any more, then the price
will have to rise.

If it’s a lot more popular than expected they might take a smaller margin
and still profit heavily.
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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On 01 Jun 2026 05:16:31 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

If it’s a lot more popular than expected they might take a smaller
margin and still profit heavily.

This is *Apple* you’re talking about, right?
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On 5/31/26 20:44, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2026 12:25:24 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:

On 5/31/26 1:45 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality
for the price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...

Simple, NEO v.2 with a faster processor and likely more RAM at the
same or slightly higher price. It's what Apple does. Wait for V.2.

But if they’re not leftover surplus chips any more, then the price
will have to rise.

Sure but who outside of Apple actually knows the chip yields to know how
much 'surplus' they already have binned & in storage?

Keep in mind that Apple reportedly sells ~300M iPhones+iPads per year.

Simplistically, this means each 1% variation in binning yield results in
~3M in binned chips.

Macbook NEO manufacturing orders were reportedly doubled to 10M/yr.
So if the A18's basic yield is ~97%, they'll have 10M in the bins.

Google says that the A18 series has 50-60% yield for full performance,
plus probably another 20-30% in binned versions. At 20% for binned
based on (300M/.60) manufactured, that's an inventory to draw from of
~100M chips, or a ten year supply.

Plus there's A19 chips being made too, so once Apple runs low on A18s,
they can do a "v2" motherboard redesign (a modest fixed cost to be
amortized across production) and shift the NEO over to using surplus
binned A19's, which means a ~zero variable cost in manufacturing.

-hh
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On 5/31/26 8:44 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2026 12:25:24 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:

On 5/31/26 1:45 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality
for the price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...

Simple, NEO v.2 with a faster processor and likely more RAM at the
same or slightly higher price. It's what Apple does. Wait for V.2.

But if they’re not leftover surplus chips any more, then the price
will have to rise.

Those binned chip are accumulating now.
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On 6/1/26 8:22 AM, -hh wrote:

On 5/31/26 20:44, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 31 May 2026 12:25:24 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:

On 5/31/26 1:45 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 30 May 2026 13:42:53 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Very light. Runs fine and quite fast. Astonishing build quality
for the price.

I wonder what happens after those surplus Iphone ARM chips run out ...

Simple, NEO v.2 with a faster processor and likely more RAM at the
same or slightly higher price. It's what Apple does. Wait for V.2.

But if they’re not leftover surplus chips any more, then the price
will have to rise.

Sure but who outside of Apple actually knows the chip yields to know how much 'surplus' they already have binned & in storage?

Keep in mind that Apple reportedly sells ~300M iPhones+iPads per year.

Simplistically, this means each 1% variation in binning yield results in
~3M in binned chips.

Macbook NEO manufacturing orders were reportedly doubled to 10M/yr.
So if the A18's basic yield is ~97%, they'll have 10M in the bins.

Google says that the A18 series has 50-60% yield for full performance,
plus probably another 20-30% in binned versions.  At 20% for binned
based on (300M/.60) manufactured, that's an inventory to draw from of
~100M chips, or a ten year supply.

Plus there's A19 chips being made too, so once Apple runs low on A18s,
they can do a "v2" motherboard redesign (a modest fixed cost to be
amortized across production) and shift the NEO over to using surplus
binned A19's, which means a ~zero variable cost in manufacturing.

-hh

One has to wonder what happened to all the A17 and prior binned chips.
Were there that many iPads and xx.e phones that might have used them sold?


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On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 11:04:28 -0400, Tom Elam wrote:

On 5/31/26 8:44 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

But if they’re not leftover surplus chips any more, then the price
will have to rise.

Those binned chip are accumulating now.

Surely the business would make more profit if it produced less such
low-value waste.
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Lawrence D�Oliveiro wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

Lawrence D�Oliveiro wrote:

But if they�re not leftover surplus chips any more, then the price
will have to rise.

Those binned chip are accumulating now.

Surely the business would make more profit if it produced less such
low-value waste.

Is that Apple's fault? They just can't win, with you, can they?
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shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)
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chrisv <[email protected]d> wrote:

Lawrence DÿOliveiro wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:

But if they’re not leftover surplus chips any more, then the price
will have to rise.

Those binned chip are accumulating now.

Surely the business would make more profit if it produced less such
low-value waste.

Is that Apple's fault? They just can't win, with you, can they?

Larry’s either trolling, or he has no fucking clue how chips are manufactured.
Of course, it could be both!

-hh

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