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Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant
that Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers

No, you're a dumb ass for signing into servers and then complaining when
the servers ask you to verify your credentials.

Hi Jolly Roger,

I've tested it. You haven't.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg> Apple _locks_ you out!

In fact, I've tested it, on purpose, for years.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity

You haven't tested it for one second.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional

So I respectfully say you don't know what you're talking about, JR.
I do.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

Meanwhile, I tested it also on Android, and guess what! No ID needed.
<https://i.postimg.cc/NG5pHyBx/aurora10.jpg> No need for a Google Account

I think you don't understand _why_ I tested Apple's words against Apple's actions, just as I test Google's words against their actual actions, JR.

While Apple brags (rightly so) about how "great" their "integration" is,
what Apple doesn't brag about is that nothing works unless you're
constantly logging into Apple's many mothership tracking servers.

That's just a fact, Jolly Roger.

No other common consumer operating system requires such a tremendous level
of constantly logging into their mothership tracking servers (although
Windows 11 is "starting" to get as bad as Apple is on lack of privacy).

If you don't sign in,
you don't get asked for your credentials, idiot.

Jolly Roger,
Stop trying to insult my intelligence because it's you who couldn't pass
your GED exam (you said you tried three times and failed); so just stop it.

I know your IQ better than you do, Jolly Roger.
I know you're _desperate_ for me to just go away.
I know your child-like brain thinks calling me an "idiot" will do that.

The fact that you don't understand how Apple products work doesn't make me
an idiot - when - in fact - nothing works in the walled garden if you stop logging into it (day after day, month after month, year after year), JR.

You have to be a boomer.
There's no other explanation. Also, stop bitching and moaning about
insults when every single post you make here for the past decade calls
Apple users "iKooks" and worse, you fucking crybaby.

Jolly Roger,

Don't worry about insulting me - as it's not possible - just as Alan Baker tries to tell me I'm stupid when he claims to drive bimmers and teach
racing yet he doesn't have any idea what the vehicles are called in racing circuits (which, let's be clear - only a moron wouldn't know).

Its the same with Alan Browne who hates me for telling him the truth about Apple - so much that he calls me an "it" (as if that hurts my feelings).

These morons have no idea that the very fact that all they have are kindergarten insults - says so much about them instead of about me.

I simply tell each of you the truth about yourselves, Jolly Roger.
Because I study you rather strange iKooks.

In decades at startups in the Silicon Valley I never met people like you
iKooks who hate all facts so much that you call every person who tells you
a fact that you don't want to hear - some childish kindergarten taunt.

It's the same with you Jolly Roger. You can't possibly insult me.
Yet you try.

You want me dead.
Simply because I told you the truth about Apple products, Jolly Roger.

You don't even know the difference between a megabit and a decibel, JR.
You proved that many times - and if you deny it - I'll provide cites.

Snit tried to pull that game with me years ago, Jolly Roger.
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo> iKooks can't even see the fatal flaw!

None of you iKooks can tell the difference between a decibel and a megabit,
so of course Apple marketing plays you like a fiddle, Jolly Roger.

I understand you because I study you, Jolly Roger.

You don't hate Apple for playing you like a fiddle, Jolly Roger.
You hate me for telling you the truth about Apple products, Jolly Roger.

So be it.
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On 2023-12-13 10:26, Dave Royal wrote:

On 13 Dec 2023 08:58:11 -0500 Alan Browne wrote:

On 2023-12-13 07:16, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 10.12.23 14:26, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2023-12-10 04:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

In advanced markets MMS does not exist anymore.

You mean in overpriced telecoms markets like Europe. MMS is still very >>>> relevant when out of WiFi range and using the cellco for basic chat with >>>> images and video and not using a 3rd party app.

*ROTFLSTC*
The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost double
what they are in Europe or Asia.

Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe? Have to make up for
the cheap plans?

Here in the UK there is keen competition on price, wide network coverage,
and it's easy to swap mobile supplier and port your phone number. The standard competitive offering these days is a SIM-only rolling monthly contract with unlimited voice calls and SMSs and varying amounts of data: typicaly £10/month upwards but can be half that for small amounts of

Amazing. Here (Canada) an unlimited contract with a paltry 3 - 5 GB of
data is on the order of $40+tax/month. This would be a bring-your-own
phone annual deal. Actually I'm contract free at the moment. So they
bill me monthly. I can walk at any moment and take my number with me.
They're always "upselling" (more data for a small increase in fee).

data. To my knowledge MMSs are always extra - a quick google suggests
£0.5 per MMS is typical. Few people use them so there's no incentive to include them and every incentive to charge a lot for them.

No extra charge here for larger files (videos, etc.).
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- John Maynard Keynes.

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On 2023-12-13, Wally J <[email protected]> wrote:

Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant
that Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers

No, you're a dumb ass for signing into servers and then complaining
when the servers ask you to verify your credentials.

Hi Jolly Roger,

I've tested it. You haven't.

My iPhone SE that has been functioning perfectly without being signed
into Apple's servers is living proof I *have* tested it. Your crippled
device is proof that you:
1. signed into Apple servers
2. forgot your credentials
3. got locked out of Apple services as a result of your stupidity
4. turned around and blamed Apple like the dip shit boomer you are
5. lied about it in order to troll the Apple newsgroups

In fact, I've tested it, on purpose, for years.

Translation: "I've sabotaged myself in order to troll for years."

You haven't tested it for one second.

My iPhone SE has been running fine for *years* without being logged into
Apple servers. 🙂

So I respectfully say you don't know what you're talking about, JR.

Projection, as usual.

While Apple brags (rightly so) about how "great" their "integration"
is, what Apple doesn't brag about is that nothing works unless you're constantly logging into Apple's many mothership tracking servers.

Repeating this lie doesn't magically make it become true, Arlen. You
signed into Apple servers and like a moron you are complaining that
Apple servers asked for your credentials. You're a clown. 🤡

If you don't sign in, you don't get asked for your credentials,
idiot.

Jolly Roger, Stop trying to insult my intelligence because it's you
who couldn't pass your GED exam (you said you tried three times and
failed); so just stop it.

The record shows that unlike you, I have never discussed or bragged
about my education on Usenet or anywhere else on the net, Arlen. And to
prove it, you can't reference any post of mine on Usenet that does so.
Because it doesn't exist. Your schoolyard insults are juvenile and weak,
like your character. Your brazen and outlandish lies are frankly
pathetic.

I know your IQ better than you do, Jolly Roger.

The pathetic troll thinks IQ pissing contests are a measure of worth.

I know you're _desperate_ for me to just go away.

Says the loser who is literally trolling a newsgroup for a product he
clearly hates, hour after hour, day after day. If anyone is desperate,
it's you. 🤣

These morons have no idea that the very fact that all they have are kindergarten insults - says so much about them instead of about me.

Says the loser troll who regularly calls everyone in the Apple news
groups "iKooks":

Because I study you rather strange iKooks.

You don't even know the difference between a megabit and a decibel,
JR. You proved that many times - and if you deny it - I'll provide
cites.

You can't provide cites of me supposedly not being able to differentiate between those two words, because it doesn't exist. Just like you can't
provide cites of me talking about my education. You, on the other hand *regularly* boast about your education, posting pictures of old books
and calling everyone you hate "low IQ". You can't help but project your weaknesses onto others, like all pathetic losers do.
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On 2023-12-13 09:15, Wally J wrote:

Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

You call me a "dumb ass" merely because I showed you were ignorant
that Apple requires _multiple_ logins into multiple servers

No, you're a dumb ass for signing into servers and then complaining when
the servers ask you to verify your credentials.

Hi Jolly Roger,

I've tested it. You haven't.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8zSvshQf/appleid04.jpg> Apple _locks_ you out!

What that doesn't show is the REASON for locking it out...

In fact, I've tested it, on purpose, for years.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity

If you've created an AppleID...

You haven't tested it for one second.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional

The very nature if a messaging app REQUIRES an ID.

So I respectfully say you don't know what you're talking about, JR.
I do.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!

"Some account SERVICES..."

Meanwhile, I tested it also on Android, and guess what! No ID needed.
<https://i.postimg.cc/NG5pHyBx/aurora10.jpg> No need for a Google Account

"404 Not found"

So no proof of your essential claim.
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Am 13.12.23 um 14:58 schrieb Alan Browne:

On 2023-12-13 07:16, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 10.12.23 14:26, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2023-12-10 04:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

In advanced markets MMS does not exist anymore.

You mean in overpriced telecoms markets like Europe. MMS is still very
relevant when out of WiFi range and using the cellco for basic chat with >>> images and video and not using a 3rd party app.

*ROTFLSTC*
The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost double
what they are in Europe or Asia.

Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe? Have to make up for
the cheap plans?

There are no MMS anymore in Europe. At least in the majority of the
markets. The quality and reliability of MMS is so inferior, that nobody
used them anymore for years. Hence most providers stopped the serivce.
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Am 13.12.23 um 20:17 schrieb Alan Browne:

Amazing. Here (Canada) an unlimited contract with a paltry 3 - 5 GB of
data is on the order of $40+tax/month. This would be a bring-your-own
phone annual deal.

My Wingo Business costs me $50/month everything flat golablly inculding
the US and Canada. Unlimited data roaming everywhere. To put that into perspective: Switzerland is rather a high price country for
communication services.
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On 2023-12-14 08:08, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

Am 13.12.23 um 14:58 schrieb Alan Browne:

On 2023-12-13 07:16, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

On 10.12.23 14:26, Alan Browne wrote:

On 2023-12-10 04:38, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

In advanced markets MMS does not exist anymore.

You mean in overpriced telecoms markets like Europe.  MMS is still very >>>> relevant when out of WiFi range and using the cellco for basic chat
with
images and video and not using a 3rd party app.

*ROTFLSTC*
The price level in underdeveloped markets like the US are almost double
what they are in Europe or Asia.

Then why do they charge so much for MMS in Europe?  Have to make up for
the cheap plans?

There are no MMS anymore in Europe. At least in the majority of the
markets. The quality and reliability of MMS is so inferior, that nobody
used them anymore for years. Hence most providers stopped the serivce.

I just tested, and MMS is available in Movistar (Spain).

To test, I disabled RCS in phone #2. Then in phone #1 I tried to send a message. It changed the display note to "SMS". I typed "Aa" then a big
smiley. Instantly, it said MMS. I did not hit send, it costs money.
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Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

I've tested it. You haven't.

My iPhone SE that has been functioning perfectly without being signed
into Apple's servers is living proof I *have* tested it.

Hi Jolly Roger,

Unless you're jailbroken perhaps... that is an absurd claim, even from you.

If you actually _believe_ you've never "signed into Apple's servers", then
it's going to be difficult to carry on any *adult conversation* with you.

Because... you audaciously claim...
*You've never even once sent or received a message on your Messages app?*
*You've never even once sent or received a FaceTime conversation?*
*You've never even once installed an app from Apple's App Store?*
*You've never even once experienced a default backup to the iCloud?*
*You've never even once upgraded your version or updated your subversion?*
*You've never even once posted or received iCloud mail from your iPhone?*
*You never (optionally) signed up for 2-factor authorization perhaps?*
etc.

No *adult* would claim what you just claimed on an iOS device, Jolly Roger. Certainly no *adult* would believe it given that's how iOS is designed.

This is, for example, my nag screen when I recently updated to iOS
<https://i.postimg.cc/9fPjQpr3/nag01.jpg> 3 iOS 16.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/wxwgN0Fg/nag02.jpg> 2 iOS1 6.7.3 nag items
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NVqB4dC/nag03.jpg> 1 Update Apple ID settings

Your crippled device is proof that you:
1. signed into Apple servers
2. forgot your credentials
3. got locked out of Apple services as a result of your stupidity
4. turned around and blamed Apple like the dip shit boomer you are
5. lied about it in order to troll the Apple newsgroups

First off, I know the credentials, so that strawman is remiss.

Second, it's not crippled so much as unilaterally bricked by Apple simply
for not constantly and repeatedly signing into Apple servers, Jolly Roger.

Which I did on purpose.
On three iPads.

Just to test what Apple would do.

Here's what Apple did recently when I proved to them by giving away my
privacy - because Apple required my government ID & proof of purchase, just
so that Apple would _unlock_ my Apple ID (whose password never changed).
<https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg> AppleID is locked by Apple
<https://i.postimg.cc/4dHQQFfk/locked-02.jpg> Password was always good
<https://i.postimg.cc/vTdfLY2f/locked-03.jpg> Apple wants a gov license!!!
<https://i.postimg.cc/rpmJKw7p/locked-04.jpg> Then, iCloud works again
<https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg> Then, Messages works again

In summary, you _hate_ the fact that Apple forces users to constantly log
into Apple servers when no other operating system (maybe now with Windows
11) forces the users to constantly and repetitively log into those
mothership tracking servers - or - Apple will unilaterally lock your
account (which essentially unilaterally bricks your Apple device given most functionality is inside the walled garden).

*You _hate_ that fact about Apple*, Jolly Roger.

But you hating all facts about Apple doesn't make those facts not facts.
--
It just means you hate what Apple does.
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On 2023-12-15, Wally J <[email protected]> wrote:

Jolly Roger <[email protected]> wrote

I've tested it. You haven't.

My iPhone SE that has been functioning perfectly without being signed
into Apple's servers is living proof I *have* tested it.

Hi Jolly Roger,

Unless you're jailbroken

Nope, sorry. No jailbreak needed. Your ignorance is astounding. There is
no requirement to log into Apple servers on an iPhone. You willingly
signed in, "forgot" your own credentials, and bullheadedly refused to
fix the problem you caused, locking yourself out of your own device
(likely also willingly in order to roll your lame troll).

If you actually _believe_ you've never "signed into Apple's servers"

The record shows I didn't make that idiotic claim. You have a real
problem with reading comprehension it seems. What I did say is true:
there is no requirement to log into Apple servers in order to use an
iPhone, and your "problem" was self-created by you logging into Apple
servers willingly, "forgetting" your credentials, and refusing to
rectify that self-imposed issue.

it's going to be difficult to carry on any *adult conversation* with you.

You project like no other, Arlen.

Your crippled device is proof that you:
1. signed into Apple servers
2. forgot your credentials
3. got locked out of Apple services as a result of your stupidity
4. turned around and blamed Apple like the dip shit boomer you are
5. lied about it in order to troll the Apple newsgroups

First off, I know the credentials, so that strawman is remiss.

That's a lie. You are on record stating you used fake throw-away
credentials that you *couldn't* remember. And if you *did* know them,
you would have easily entered them.

Second, it's not crippled so much as unilaterally bricked by Apple
simply for not constantly and repeatedly signing into Apple servers

Nope, you locked yourself out by refusing to verify the credentials you
used to willingly sign in.

Which I did on purpose.

Indeed, you fucked yourself on purpose in order to roll your lame troll.
You're a clown.

On three iPads.

LOL... 🤣

Just to test what Apple would do.

Just to troll.
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"Carlos E.R." <[email protected]d> wrote

I just tested, and MMS is available in Movistar (Spain).

To test, I disabled RCS in phone #2. Then in phone #1 I tried to send a message. It changed the display note to "SMS". I typed "Aa" then a big smiley. Instantly, it said MMS. I did not hit send, it costs money.

Thanks for running that test for the team, Carlos, as everyone pitches in
to provide the tribal knowledge of these combined Usenet newsgroups.

Here in the states, most of us (not all though) have unlimited free MMS so
we don't need RCS to send MMS via the Internet data on the phone plan.

Hence, we don't see as much value to RCS as you do - where the iPhone users seem to complain a lot about bubble color which is another thing most of us don't care about (as on Android, all users look the same to us, AFAICT).

Hence, for those few who are affected by MMS charges, it's good that you
ran those tests as we can't run them given we don't have the same issues.
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