• Re: the official 911 narrative is kinda bs isn't it?

    From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 10:37:09 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not hit
    by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office
    fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
    - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns
    - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos
    - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
    - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like the
    videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing just a
    modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has made me
    question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1
    fire-safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the
    primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of
    skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to fire,
    across the entire history of building large buildings. which is really
    quite amazing considering our safety standards in building these things
    even penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    Thank you very kindly for this bit of info.

    lol, he literally just made a bare assertion without any explanation.

    ur just confirming a bias noah

    talk about con-level of acceptance



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  • From Moebius@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 19:55:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    Am 07.06.2026 um 19:37 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken into
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not hit
    by a jet
    Right. I mixed that up. Sorry, about that.
    Concerning WTC 7 I don't have anything so say.
    But the following source might be helpful: https://www.asminternational.org/news/videos/-/journal_content/56/10192/2033672/VIDEO/
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 11:23:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 10:55 AM, Moebius wrote:
    Am 07.06.2026 um 19:37 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the >>>>> building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken into
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not
    hit by a jet

    Right. I mixed that up. Sorry, about that.

    cutting out my response u can't handle ain't an apology dud...

    don't be dishonest bruh, who appreciates that???


    Concerning WTC 7 I don't have anything so say.

    But the following source might be helpful: https://www.asminternational.org/news/videos/-/ journal_content/56/10192/2033672/VIDEO/


    yes that's the NIST explanation with the incredibly problematic details.

    ultimately, those chucklefucks are trying to claim a _single_ column
    failure lead to a progressive collapse of the entire building,

    that as per the many angles of _video_ evidence we have: proceeded at
    free fall for several seconds, neatly right right into it's food print,

    this explanation basically just shits all over the rather skilled and
    precise practice of demolitioning building to do that exact thing,

    nvm shitting all over the practice engineering buildings that don't
    fucking just entirely unwind from a _single_ column failure,

    nvm shitting all over the practice of firefighting by never producing
    any meaningful recommendations on how to watch out for this. no one
    studies this as a textbook case study because the case of this being
    fire induced so nonsensably weak
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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 14:34:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not hit
    by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office
    fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
     - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns
     - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos
     - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
     - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has made me
    question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 fire-
    safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the primary
    and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to fire, across the
    entire history of building large buildings. which is really quite
    amazing considering our safety standards in building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    alt.zen used to be the best Buddhist group
    I spent many years there.
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

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  • From Noah Sombrero@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 17:01:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 14:34:55 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the >>>>> building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not hit
    by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of events >>>> is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office
    fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
    �- (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns
    �- (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos
    �- (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
    �- (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like the
    videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing just a
    modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has made me
    question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 fire-
    safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the primary
    and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of skyscrapers
    collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to fire, across the
    entire history of building large buildings. which is really quite
    amazing considering our safety standards in building these things even
    penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    Even now, the idea would blow up my mind. Little particles of it
    scatter over the landscape.

    alt.zen used to be the best Buddhist group
    I spent many years there.

    Hi, Peter. So it is you. I remember you from apz, so Tang must have
    been crossposting your stuff.
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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 16:20:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 4:01 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 14:34:55 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job. >>>>>>
    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the >>>>>> building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not hit
    by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of events >>>>> is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office
    fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural columns >>>
    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
     - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns >>>  - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos >>>  - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
     - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above >>>
    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like the
    videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing just a
    modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has made me
    question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 fire-
    safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the primary
    and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of skyscrapers
    collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to fire, across the
    entire history of building large buildings. which is really quite
    amazing considering our safety standards in building these things even
    penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    Even now, the idea would blow up my mind. Little particles of it
    scatter over the landscape.

    alt.zen used to be the best Buddhist group
    I spent many years there.

    Hi, Peter. So it is you. I remember you from apz, so Tang must have
    been crossposting your stuff.

    IDK. Did alt.zen die?

    I try to subscribe to it and it acts like
    it works and then does not work.
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From Noah Sombrero@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 17:37:03 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:20:16 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 4:01 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 14:34:55 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d> >>>>> wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job. >>>>>>>
    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the >>>>>>> building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in >>>>>> consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not hit >>>> by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of events >>>>>> is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office
    fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural columns >>>>
    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
    �- (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns >>>> �- (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos >>>> �- (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
    �- (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above >>>>
    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like the
    videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing just a >>>> modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has made me
    question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 fire-
    safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the primary
    and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of skyscrapers
    collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to fire, across the
    entire history of building large buildings. which is really quite
    amazing considering our safety standards in building these things even >>>> penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    Even now, the idea would blow up my mind. Little particles of it
    scatter over the landscape.

    alt.zen used to be the best Buddhist group
    I spent many years there.

    Hi, Peter. So it is you. I remember you from apz, so Tang must have
    been crossposting your stuff.

    IDK. Did alt.zen die?

    I try to subscribe to it and it acts like
    it works and then does not work.

    I get about 55 messages since Apr 19. It looks like some from here
    added az to their crosspost list, so what you see there is the same as
    short fat guy for those that crosspost. There is one guy that calls
    himself heartdoc that is not from short fat guy.
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    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 15:49:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the >>>>> building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not
    hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of events >>>> is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office
    fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
      - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns
      - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos
      - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like the
    videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing just a
    modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has made me
    question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 fire-
    safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the primary
    and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of skyscrapers
    collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to fire, across the
    entire history of building large buildings. which is really quite
    amazing considering our safety standards in building these things even
    penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    alt.zen used to be the best Buddhist group
    I spent many years there.

    --
    hi, i'm nick!
    let's end war 🙃

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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 18:30:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job. >>>>>>
    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the >>>>>> building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not
    hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of
    events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office
    fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural columns >>>
    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
      - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns >>>   - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos >>>   - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above >>>
    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like the
    videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing just
    a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has made me
    question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 fire-
    safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the primary
    and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of skyscrapers
    collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to fire, across the
    entire history of building large buildings. which is really quite
    amazing considering our safety standards in building these things
    even penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.



    alt.zen used to be the best Buddhist group
    I spent many years there.



    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 17:29:57 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d> >>>>> wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job. >>>>>>>
    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the >>>>>>> building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in >>>>>> consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not
    hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of
    events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office
    fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural
    columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
      - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns >>>>   - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos >>>>   - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above >>>>
    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing
    just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has
    made me question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the
    primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of
    skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to
    fire, across the entire history of building large buildings. which
    is really quite amazing considering our safety standards in building
    these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt-by-association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of
    red herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the official narrative



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    I spent many years there.





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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 19:52:15 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d> >>>>>> wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job. >>>>>>>>
    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in >>>>>>>> the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in >>>>>>> consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not >>>>> hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of >>>>>>> events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
      - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural
    columns
      - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the
    videos
      - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor >>>>> above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing >>>>> just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has
    made me question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the >>>>> primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of
    skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to
    fire, across the entire history of building large buildings. which
    is really quite amazing considering our safety standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt-by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of red herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 18:12:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d> >>>>>>> wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job. >>>>>>>>>
    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column >>>>>>>>> in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in >>>>>>>> consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of >>>>>>>> events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
      - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>> columns
      - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the >>>>>> videos
      - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor >>>>>> above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like >>>>>> the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples >>>>>> of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety standards in >>>>>> building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet it was _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint
    --
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    let's end war 🙃

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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 20:19:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction >>>>>>>>>>> job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column >>>>>>>>>> in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that: >>>>>>>   - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>>> columns
      - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the >>>>>>> videos
      - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor >>>>>>> above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like >>>>>>> the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples >>>>>>> of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due >>>>>>> to fire, across the entire history of building large buildings. >>>>>>> which is really quite amazing considering our safety standards in >>>>>>> building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet it was _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From Noah Sombrero@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 23:06:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction >>>>>>>>>>>> job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column >>>>>>>>>>> in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that: >>>>>>>> ��- (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>>>> columns
    ��- (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the >>>>>>>> videos
    ��- (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
    ��- (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor >>>>>>>> above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like >>>>>>>> the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human intelligence... >>>>>>>>
    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples >>>>>>>> of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due >>>>>>>> to fire, across the entire history of building large buildings. >>>>>>>> which is really quite amazing considering our safety standards in >>>>>>>> building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well. >>>>>>>>

    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of red >>>> herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one. Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something
    he does not.
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 20:16:42 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 6:19 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction >>>>>>>>>>>> job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column >>>>>>>>>>> in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that: >>>>>>>>   - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>>>> columns
      - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the >>>>>>>> videos
      - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the >>>>>>>> floor above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks
    like the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are >>>>>>>> in doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human intelligence... >>>>>>>>
    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few
    examples of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>> alone due to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>> buildings. which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>> standards in building these things even penetrates the 3rd world >>>>>>>> quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of
    red herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet it
    was _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?


    > that's just a blatant ad hominem dud, do better
    >
    > #god

    believing WTC7 came down due to an office fire causing a single
    column failure as demonstrated by a simulation that doesn't even
    remotely match the videos in a novel event never witnessed again
    or even taken seriously as a noteworthy case study by the
    firefighting practice more generally 25 years later...

    is a 47-story skyscraper of abject physical absurdity that ur
    pathetic attempts at fallacy will never collapse into it's
    footprint at fucking freefall 🫳

    🎤

    (unless ur some zionist warkawk joo with novel, engineered thermitic-explosives, in which case 🖕🖕🖕 for being america's #1 enemy of the 21st century)
    --
    why are we god?
    let's end war 🙃
    ps: noah upgrade ur reader mate

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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 20:23:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 8:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction >>>>>>>>>>>>> job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column >>>>>>>>>>>> in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that: >>>>>>>>>   - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>>>>> columns
      - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the >>>>>>>>> videos
      - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor >>>>>>>>> above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like >>>>>>>>> the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human intelligence... >>>>>>>>>
    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples >>>>>>>>> of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due >>>>>>>>> to fire, across the entire history of building large buildings. >>>>>>>>> which is really quite amazing considering our safety standards in >>>>>>>>> building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well. >>>>>>>>>

    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt- >>>>> by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of red >>>>> herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet it was >>> _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    > that's just a blatant ad hominem dud, do better
    >
    > #god


    oooh, good one. Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something
    he does not.

    believing WTC7 came down due to an office fire causing a single
    column failure as demonstrated by a simulation that doesn't even
    remotely match the videos in a novel event never witnessed again
    or even taken seriously as a noteworthy case study by the
    firefighting practice more generally 25 years later...

    is a 47-story skyscraper of abject physical absurdity that ur
    pathetic attempts at fallacy will never collapse into it's
    footprint at fucking freefall 🫳

    🎤

    (unless ur some zionist warkawk joo with novel, engineered
    thermitic-explosives, in which case 🖕🖕🖕 for being america's
    #1 enemy of the 21st century)
    --
    why are we god?
    let's end war 🙃
    ps: get a 21st century reader noah

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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 22:29:55 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction >>>>>>>>>>>>> job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column >>>>>>>>>>>> in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that: >>>>>>>>>   - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>>>>> columns
      - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the >>>>>>>>> videos
      - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor >>>>>>>>> above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like >>>>>>>>> the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human intelligence... >>>>>>>>>
    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples >>>>>>>>> of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due >>>>>>>>> to fire, across the entire history of building large buildings. >>>>>>>>> which is really quite amazing considering our safety standards in >>>>>>>>> building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well. >>>>>>>>>

    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt- >>>>> by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of red >>>>> herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet it was >>> _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one. Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 20:35:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction >>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that: >>>>>>>>>>    - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>>>>>> columns
       - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the >>>>>>>>>> videos
       - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly >>>>>>>>>>    - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the >>>>>>>>>> floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like >>>>>>>>>> the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human intelligence... >>>>>>>>>>
    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples >>>>>>>>>> of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due >>>>>>>>>> to fire, across the entire history of building large buildings. >>>>>>>>>> which is really quite amazing considering our safety standards in >>>>>>>>>> building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well. >>>>>>>>>>

    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt- >>>>>> by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of red >>>>>> herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes does >>>> _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet it
    was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and blame
    on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal for
    the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited nothing
    --
    hi, i'm nick!
    let's end war 🙃

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  • From Dude@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 20:55:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 3:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction job. >>>>>>
    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column in the >>>>>> building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was not
    hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course of
    events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal office
    fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* structural columns >>>
    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that:
      - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural columns >>>   - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the videos >>>   - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the floor above >>>
    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks like the
    videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in doing just
    a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it really has made me
    question the nature of human intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 fire-
    safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as the primary
    and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few examples of skyscrapers
    collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due to fire, across the
    entire history of building large buildings. which is really quite
    amazing considering our safety standards in building these things
    even penetrates the 3rd world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall

    The claim you are referring to is entirely false and fabricated,
    originating from a mashup of internet rumors and memes made up by
    informants which have all been refuted and found to be spurious, crude
    and biased.


    alt.zen used to be the best Buddhist group
    I spent many years there.




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  • From Dude@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 20:57:31 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 6:19 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction >>>>>>>>>>>> job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column >>>>>>>>>>> in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that: >>>>>>>>   - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>>>> columns
      - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches the >>>>>>>> videos
      - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the >>>>>>>> floor above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks
    like the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are >>>>>>>> in doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human intelligence... >>>>>>>>
    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few
    examples of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>> alone due to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>> buildings. which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>> standards in building these things even penetrates the 3rd world >>>>>>>> quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of
    red herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet it
    was _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    Totally nits!
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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 22:58:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted destruction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ column >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that: >>>>>>>>>>>    - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>>>>>>> columns
       - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches >>>>>>>>>>> the
    videos
       - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly >>>>>>>>>>>    - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the >>>>>>>>>>> floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks >>>>>>>>>>> like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human intelligence... >>>>>>>>>>>
    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone due >>>>>>>>>>> to fire, across the entire history of building large buildings. >>>>>>>>>>> which is really quite amazing considering our safety
    standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well. >>>>>>>>>>>

    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a guilt- >>>>>>> by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella of >>>>>>> red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes does >>>>> _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and blame
    on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal for
    the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From Dude@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 21:16:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/2026 8:16 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 6:19 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted
    destruction job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>> column in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST that: >>>>>>>>>   - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all structural >>>>>>>>> columns
      - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely matches >>>>>>>>> the videos
      - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
      - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the >>>>>>>>> floor above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks >>>>>>>>> like the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are >>>>>>>>> in doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human intelligence... >>>>>>>>>
    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few
    examples of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>> alone due to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>> buildings. which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>> standards in building these things even penetrates the 3rd
    world quite well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a
    guilt- by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger
    umbrella of red herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes
    does _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet it
    was _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?


    ; that's just a blatant ad hominem dud, do better

    ; #god

    believing WTC7 came down due to an office fire causing a single
    column failure as demonstrated by a simulation that doesn't even
    remotely match the videos in a novel event never witnessed again
    or even taken seriously as a noteworthy case study by the
    firefighting practice more generally 25 years later...

    is a 47-story skyscraper of abject physical absurdity that ur
    pathetic attempts at fallacy will never collapse into it's
    footprint at fucking freefall 🫳

                                  🎤

    (unless ur some zionist warkawk joo with novel, engineered thermitic- explosives, in which case 🖕🖕🖕 for being america's #1 enemy of the 21st century)

    Apparently, the Saudis were supposed to hit WTC-7, where the Zionist
    secret files were stored. The first two planes missed because of faulty
    GPS, so the Jews had to manually set the fire to bring WTC-7 down.
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Sun Jun 7 23:07:37 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it was >>>>>>>>>>>> not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the course >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST >>>>>>>>>>>> that:
       - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
       - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
       - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>    - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to the >>>>>>>>>>>> floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that looks >>>>>>>>>>>> like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human intelligence... >>>>>>>>>>>>
    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an type-1 >>>>>>>>>>>> fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to fire as >>>>>>>>>>>> the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>> due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large buildings. >>>>>>>>>>>> which is really quite amazing considering our safety
    standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite well. >>>>>>>>>>>>

    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a >>>>>>>> guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella >>>>>>>> of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of >>>>>>>> conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the >>>>>>>> official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes >>>>>> does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet >>>>>> it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something >>>> he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and blame
    on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_
    --
    why are we god?
    let's end war 🙃

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 00:13:36 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/7/26 11:07 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it >>>>>>>>>>>>> was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST >>>>>>>>>>>>> that:
       - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
       - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
       - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>>    - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human
    intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an >>>>>>>>>>>>> type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite >>>>>>>>>>>>> well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind >>>>>>>>>> control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a >>>>>>>>> guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella >>>>>>>>> of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of >>>>>>>>> conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the >>>>>>>>> official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes >>>>>>> does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet >>>>>>> it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint >>>>>>
    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something >>>>> he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. they already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they helped covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, and the muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    i'm not denying that the muzzies didn't play their part. not every
    religion is it so easy to put together a plane full of fucking suicide terrorists...

    my prescription there is the same prescription everyone:

    > free speech or get glassed
    >
    > #god


    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    --
    why are we god?
    let's end war 🙃

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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 08:10:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it >>>>>>>>>>>>> was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST >>>>>>>>>>>>> that:
       - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
       - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
       - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>>    - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human
    intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an >>>>>>>>>>>>> type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite >>>>>>>>>>>>> well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind >>>>>>>>>> control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a >>>>>>>>> guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella >>>>>>>>> of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of >>>>>>>>> conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the >>>>>>>>> official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes >>>>>>> does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet >>>>>>> it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint >>>>>>
    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something >>>>> he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. they already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they helped covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, and the muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From Noah Sombrero@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 09:52:08 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that:
    ���- (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
    ���- (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
    ���- (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ���- (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human
    intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed >>>>>>>>>>> and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind >>>>>>>>>>> control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a >>>>>>>>>> guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella >>>>>>>>>> of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of >>>>>>>>>> conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the >>>>>>>>>> official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes >>>>>>>> does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet >>>>>>>> it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint >>>>>>>
    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.� Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded >>>>>> the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something >>>>>> he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with
    planes, but that one got missed. So it became necessary to bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings being
    hit.

    Got that? Simple, right?
    --
    Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
    Don't get political with me young man
    or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
    <<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
    Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
    dares: Ned
    does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away

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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 09:27:13 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that:
       - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
       - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
       - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human
    intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed >>>>>>>>>>>> and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind >>>>>>>>>>>> control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a >>>>>>>>>>> guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella >>>>>>>>>>> of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of >>>>>>>>>>> conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the >>>>>>>>>>> official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes >>>>>>>>> does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet >>>>>>>>> it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint >>>>>>>>
    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the >>>>>>> experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded >>>>>>> the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know something >>>>>>> he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal >>>>> for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, so they >>> did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with
    planes, but that one got missed. So it became necessary to bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings being
    hit.

    Got that? Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From Esrimushmoneh@[email protected] to comp.theory on Mon Jun 8 14:48:23 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 2026-06-08, olcott <[email protected]> wrote:
    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    I don't think that being considered to be totally nuts by you is a bad thing. --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From olcott@[email protected] to comp.theory on Mon Jun 8 10:39:10 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 9:48 AM, Esrimushmoneh wrote:
    On 2026-06-08, olcott <[email protected]> wrote:
    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    I don't think that being considered to be totally nuts by you is a bad thing.

    You must be using a fake name.
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 09:02:59 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed >>>>>>>>>>>>> and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind >>>>>>>>>>>>> control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a >>>>>>>>>>>> guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella >>>>>>>>>>>> of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of >>>>>>>>>>>> conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the >>>>>>>>>>>> official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by airplanes >>>>>>>>>> does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, yet >>>>>>>>>> it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint >>>>>>>>>
    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the >>>>>>>> experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded >>>>>>>> the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know
    something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal >>>>>> for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled billions >>>> of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. they >>>> already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, so
    they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, and the >>>> muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with
    planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to shred
    themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the buildings were
    designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a zionist
    joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security contract for the
    buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies would love
    to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ... they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it
    _covertly_ pretending to be other intelligence agencies or funding sources
    --
    why are we god?
    let's end war 🙃

    --- Synchronet 3.22a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 11:22:29 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>> control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a >>>>>>>>>>>>> guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella >>>>>>>>>>>>> of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known >>>>>>>>>>>>> laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, >>>>>>>>>>> yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the >>>>>>>>> experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and
    concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know >>>>>>>>> something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and >>>>>>> blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal >>>>>>> for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited >>>>>>> nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled billions >>>>> of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. they >>>>> already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they helped >>>>> covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, so >>>>> they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, and the >>>>> muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with
    planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to shred themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the buildings were
    designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a zionist
    joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies would love
    to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    _covertly_ pretending to be other intelligence agencies or funding sources

    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 09:31:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known >>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an
    airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the >>>>>>>>>> experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and >>>>>>>>>> concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know >>>>>>>>>> something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and >>>>>>>> blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the >>>>>>>> deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited >>>>>>>> nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled
    billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. >>>>>> they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they helped >>>>>> covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly,
    so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, and >>>>>> the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with
    planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to bomb that >>>> one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to shred
    themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the buildings were
    designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a
    zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security contract
    for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies would
    love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america into the
    _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...

    and back to the ad hominem again polcott???

    it's nice to see ur true colors after watching u all these months


    _covertly_ pretending to be other intelligence agencies or funding
    sources



    --
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    please excuse my pseudo-pyscript,
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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 11:46:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the >>>>>>>>>>> experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and >>>>>>>>>>> concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know >>>>>>>>>>> something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and >>>>>>>>> blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the >>>>>>>>> deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited >>>>>>>>> nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled
    billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. >>>>>>> they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they
    helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, >>>>>>> so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy,
    and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with
    planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to bomb that >>>>> one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings being >>>>> hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to shred
    themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the buildings were
    designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a
    zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security contract
    for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies would
    love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america into the
    _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists.
    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

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    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 11:08:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that >>>>>>>>>>>> the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and >>>>>>>>>>>> concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know >>>>>>>>>>>> something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and >>>>>>>>>> blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal >>>>>>>>>> the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited >>>>>>>>>> nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled >>>>>>>> billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the
    soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they >>>>>>>> helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, >>>>>>>> so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, >>>>>>>> and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with
    planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to bomb that >>>>>> one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings being >>>>>> hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to shred
    themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the buildings were
    designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a
    zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security contract
    for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies would
    love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america into the
    _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists.


    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was necessary
    for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian airplanes into
    several buildings,

    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the middle
    east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable in the long
    run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in order to
    seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign strike on american
    soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy, or
    facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining
    --
    why are we god?
    let's end war 🙃

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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 14:51:54 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and >>>>>>>>>>>>> concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and >>>>>>>>>>> blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal >>>>>>>>>>> the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled >>>>>>>>> billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the
    soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they >>>>>>>>> helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean
    covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, >>>>>>>>> and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with >>>>>>> planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to bomb >>>>>>> that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings being >>>>>>> hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to shred
    themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the buildings were
    designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a
    zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security
    contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies would >>>>> love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america into
    the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists.


    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was necessary
    for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian airplanes into
    several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the middle east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable in the long
    run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in order to seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign strike on american soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy, or
    facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining

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    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
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    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

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  • From Dude@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 14:22:51 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 12:51 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
    looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
    alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention >>>>>>>>>>>> and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal >>>>>>>>>>>> the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled >>>>>>>>>> billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the
    soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they >>>>>>>>>> helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean
    covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, >>>>>>>>>> and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with >>>>>>>> planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to bomb >>>>>>>> that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings >>>>>>>> being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to shred >>>>>> themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the buildings were >>>>>> designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a
    zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security
    contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies
    would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america >>>>>> into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists.


    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was necessary
    for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian airplanes into
    several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    So, it looks like a consensus has been reached on these boards:

    Nick's words on a screen inside a chat room; punctilious pedestal
    pedantic protestations that pale in comparison to the poetic plinth upon
    which we perch in the cloud.

    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the
    middle east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable in
    the long run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in order
    to seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign strike on
    american soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy, or
    facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining




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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 16:44:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 4:22 PM, Dude wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 12:51 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
    looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, let
    alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the
    attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal >>>>>>>>>>>>> the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled >>>>>>>>>>> billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the >>>>>>>>>>> soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which >>>>>>>>>>> they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean
    covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners >>>>>>>>>>> dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings? >>>>>>>>>
    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with >>>>>>>>> planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to >>>>>>>>> bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings >>>>>>>>> being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to
    shred themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the
    buildings were designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a >>>>>>> zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security
    contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies
    would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america >>>>>>> into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists.


    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was
    necessary for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian
    airplanes into several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    So, it looks like a consensus has been reached on these boards:

    Nick's words on a screen inside a chat room; punctilious pedestal
    pedantic protestations that pale in comparison to the poetic plinth upon which we perch in the cloud.

    I was of course being sarcastic.
    I do believe Nick's idea twice as much as I used to
    believe it, yet it still comes off as unreasonably
    implausible.

    Airplanes and bombs is simply too convoluted.
    This is one case where I am going with Occam's razor.

    It would not be the case that enough bombs to do the
    job would not be noticed by the people in the building
    the next day.


    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the
    middle east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable in
    the long run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in order
    to seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign strike on
    american soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy, or
    facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining




    --
    Copyright 2026 Olcott

    My 28 year goal has been to make
    "true on the basis of meaning expressed in language"
    reliably computable for the entire body of knowledge.
    The complete structure of this system is now defined.

    The entire body of knowledge expressed in language is
    comprised of two types of relations between finite strings:
    (a) *Axioms* Expressions of language that are stipulated to be true.

    My system bridges the analytic/synthetic distinction by
    expressly encoding all empirical "atomic facts" in a formal
    language such as CycL of the Cyc project.

    (b) *Inference Rules* Expressions of language that are semantically
    entailed syntactically from (a) and/or (b).
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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 16:58:20 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/26 12:51 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
    looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let
    alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention >>>>>>>>>>>> and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal >>>>>>>>>>>> the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled >>>>>>>>>> billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the
    soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they >>>>>>>>>> helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean
    covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy, >>>>>>>>>> and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings?

    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with >>>>>>>> planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to bomb >>>>>>>> that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings >>>>>>>> being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to shred >>>>>> themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the buildings were >>>>>> designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a
    zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security
    contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies
    would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america >>>>>> into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists.


    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was necessary
    for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian airplanes into
    several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    stairwells??? nah, the elevator shafts bro. the 1999 they started a
    several year long elevator overhaul for the twin towers, and by the time
    of 9/11 several had been out of commission for months. u have to
    understand that the towers had a framed tube design. the outer facade
    was a major structural system that supported at least 40% of the
    vertical load plus resisted the variable lateral wind loads, while the
    inner tube concentrated /around the elevator shafts/ carried 60% of the vertical building load.

    as for WTC7 - floor 14 was confirmed entirely vacant, while floors 5-7 featured only electrical equipment for the electrical substation built
    beneath the building.

    bruh they spend years planning this, including the R&D for the kinds of
    novel thermitic explosives they'd need to reduce the sound/pressure
    signatures enough for plausible deniability


    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    honestly the way this was treated after is such a goddamn giant glaring
    neon sign for conspiracy. in a normal building investigation, you know
    where the govt wasn't trying to force a premeditated conclusion... investigators would be given unrestricted access to the debris field.

    in 911 the steel was almost entirely shipped off for scrap as soon as possible. by the time NIST was formally commissions to lead the
    full-scale investigation in August of 2002 (a year late), they ended up
    only 236 specific structural artifacts to do testing with from WTC1/WTC2
    ... and exactly 0 for WTC7

    nvm the fact they never released the collapse simulations for any of
    them. the WTC7 excuse is especially egregious as they claim it was
    caused by a fire. instead of releasing it so engineers can learn how to engineer around the problem of a single column failed caused progressive
    and catastrophic collapse of the building, and like ensuring current
    designs aren't susceptible for it ... they withheld the simulation on
    grounds they wouldn't want it to become a blueprint for further
    terrorist fire-induced collapse incidents.

    > which only a total intellectual dud would accept
    >
    > #god


    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the
    middle east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable in
    the long run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in order
    to seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign strike on
    american soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy, or
    facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining



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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 17:08:30 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/26 2:22 PM, Dude wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 12:51 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
    looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, let
    alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the
    attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal >>>>>>>>>>>>> the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled >>>>>>>>>>> billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the >>>>>>>>>>> soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which >>>>>>>>>>> they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean
    covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners >>>>>>>>>>> dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings? >>>>>>>>>
    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with >>>>>>>>> planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to >>>>>>>>> bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings >>>>>>>>> being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to
    shred themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the
    buildings were designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a >>>>>>> zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security
    contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies
    would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america >>>>>>> into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists.


    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was
    necessary for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian
    airplanes into several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    So, it looks like a consensus has been reached on these boards:

    Nick's words on a screen inside a chat room; punctilious pedestal
    pedantic protestations that pale in comparison to the poetic plinth upon which we perch in the cloud.

    bro i get ur paid to cut off as much truthful discourse as possible, but
    the treasonous disservice u do ur country is almost as disgusting as how
    many children u've buried


    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the
    middle east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable in
    the long run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in order
    to seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign strike on
    american soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy, or
    facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining




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    why are we god?
    let's end war 🙃

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  • From olcott@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 20:45:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 6:58 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 12:51 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
    looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, let
    alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the
    attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal >>>>>>>>>>>>> the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled >>>>>>>>>>> billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the >>>>>>>>>>> soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which >>>>>>>>>>> they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean
    covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners >>>>>>>>>>> dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_


    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings? >>>>>>>>>
    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with >>>>>>>>> planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to >>>>>>>>> bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings >>>>>>>>> being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to
    shred themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the
    buildings were designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a >>>>>>> zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security
    contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies
    would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of america >>>>>>> into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists.


    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was
    necessary for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian
    airplanes into several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    stairwells??? nah, the elevator shafts bro. the 1999 they started a
    several year long elevator overhaul for the twin towers, and by the time
    of 9/11 several had been out of commission for months. u have to
    understand that the towers had a framed tube design. the outer facade
    was a major structural system that supported at least 40% of the
    vertical load plus resisted the variable lateral wind loads, while the
    inner tube concentrated /around the elevator shafts/ carried 60% of the vertical building load.

    as for WTC7 - floor 14 was confirmed entirely vacant, while floors 5-7 featured only electrical equipment for the electrical substation built beneath the building.

    bruh they spend years planning this, including the R&D for the kinds of novel thermitic explosives they'd need to reduce the sound/pressure signatures enough for plausible deniability


    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    honestly the way this was treated after is such a goddamn giant glaring
    neon sign for conspiracy. in a normal building investigation, you know
    where the govt wasn't trying to force a premeditated conclusion... investigators would be given unrestricted access to the debris field.

    in 911 the steel was almost entirely shipped off for scrap as soon as possible. by the time NIST was formally commissions to lead the full-
    scale investigation in August of 2002 (a year late), they ended up only
    236 specific structural artifacts to do testing with from WTC1/WTC2 ...
    and exactly 0 for WTC7

    nvm the fact they never released the collapse simulations for any of
    them. the WTC7 excuse is especially egregious as they claim it was
    caused by a fire. instead of releasing it so engineers can learn how to engineer around the problem of a single column failed caused progressive
    and catastrophic collapse of the building, and like ensuring current
    designs aren't susceptible for it ... they withheld the simulation on grounds they wouldn't want it to become a blueprint for further
    terrorist fire-induced collapse incidents.


    It makes sense that they would not seriously consider planes not
    flying into buildings as an alternative.

    If you see and feel a fist punch you in the face it seems to
    make no sense to retroactively consider maybe it was not a fist
    at all.

    Your idea flunks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
    by too much. It is just too convoluted.

    Bottom line is that It seems too implausible to me that even
    the most evil US operatives would be evil enough to knowingly
    murder thousands of US citizen civilians for political and/or
    financial gain.

    Conspiracy theory minded people never seem to be able to accurately
    assess the distinction between reasonably plausible and unreasonably implausible. They generally use their "in group" as a poor proxy
    for this.


    ; which only a total intellectual dud would accept

    ; #god


    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the
    middle east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable in
    the long run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in order
    to seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign strike on
    american soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy, or
    facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining




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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Mon Jun 8 20:43:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/26 6:45 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 6:58 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 12:51 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planted
    destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that
    looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, let
    alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large
    buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety
    standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seal the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already
    funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the >>>>>>>>>>>> soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which >>>>>>>>>>>> they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean >>>>>>>>>>>> covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners >>>>>>>>>>>> dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ >>>>>>>>>>>>

    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings? >>>>>>>>>>
    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with >>>>>>>>>> planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to >>>>>>>>>> bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings >>>>>>>>>> being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to
    shred themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the
    buildings were designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a >>>>>>>> zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security
    contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies >>>>>>>> would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of
    america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists. >>>>>

    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was
    necessary for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian
    airplanes into several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    stairwells??? nah, the elevator shafts bro. the 1999 they started a
    several year long elevator overhaul for the twin towers, and by the
    time of 9/11 several had been out of commission for months. u have to
    understand that the towers had a framed tube design. the outer facade
    was a major structural system that supported at least 40% of the
    vertical load plus resisted the variable lateral wind loads, while the
    inner tube concentrated /around the elevator shafts/ carried 60% of
    the vertical building load.

    as for WTC7 - floor 14 was confirmed entirely vacant, while floors 5-7
    featured only electrical equipment for the electrical substation built
    beneath the building.

    bruh they spend years planning this, including the R&D for the kinds
    of novel thermitic explosives they'd need to reduce the sound/pressure
    signatures enough for plausible deniability


    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    honestly the way this was treated after is such a goddamn giant
    glaring neon sign for conspiracy. in a normal building investigation,
    you know where the govt wasn't trying to force a premeditated
    conclusion... investigators would be given unrestricted access to the
    debris field.

    in 911 the steel was almost entirely shipped off for scrap as soon as
    possible. by the time NIST was formally commissions to lead the full-
    scale investigation in August of 2002 (a year late), they ended up
    only 236 specific structural artifacts to do testing with from WTC1/
    WTC2 ... and exactly 0 for WTC7

    nvm the fact they never released the collapse simulations for any of
    them. the WTC7 excuse is especially egregious as they claim it was
    caused by a fire. instead of releasing it so engineers can learn how
    to engineer around the problem of a single column failed caused
    progressive and catastrophic collapse of the building, and like
    ensuring current designs aren't susceptible for it ... they withheld
    the simulation on grounds they wouldn't want it to become a blueprint
    for further terrorist fire-induced collapse incidents.


    It makes sense that they would not seriously consider planes not
    flying into buildings as an alternative.

    actually giving that this killed 3000 people, ensuring we consider and
    rule out all possible alternatives such that we're _absolutely_ sure why everything happened before smelting _almost all_ the evidence /and then spending trillions on decades of war/

    ...would make the _most_ sense, no?


    If you see and feel a fist punch you in the face it seems to
    make no sense to retroactively consider maybe it was not a fist
    at all.

    Your idea flunks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
    by too much. It is just too convoluted.

    i'm always cautious with occam's razor because applying it wantonly can
    lead to fallacy of simplicity, but actually the choice for causes of
    collapse are:

    a) explosives (plane crashes were misdirection)

    b) plane crashes that the building was engineered to handle + novel unintentional fire induced progressive collapse that no one is actually treating as a meaningful threat even 25 years later...

    strictly from a physical simplicity point of view i'm pretty sure
    explosives wins out

    Bottom line is that It seems too implausible to me that even
    the most evil US  operatives would be evil enough to knowingly
    murder thousands of US citizen civilians for political and/or
    financial gain.

    i'm pretty sure it would be mossad operatives planting and pushing the buttons, not americans. the zionists are currently busy committing a
    genocide in their end of the world, so i wouldn't put it past them to
    commit such an act, tbh

    and yes i could see religious zealotry committing such an act: since
    that is what zionism is. the joos try sanity-wash that story as much as possible, and they're quite good at it, the _best_ even...

    > but lies won't stand the test of time
    >
    > #god

    tbh in my view, given the geopolitical consideration, we either take
    this one apart, or it may just take us apart to be frank. we really need
    to drain the epstein class swamp before it starts a ai-psychosis induced nuclear war


    Conspiracy theory minded people never seem to be able to accurately
    assess the distinction between reasonably plausible and unreasonably implausible. They generally use their "in group" as a poor proxy
    for this.

    i don't have much an "in group" dud. u've seen me push back against the halting problem here in comp.theory for almost a year now mostly on my
    own for the most part. i push for 9/11 mostly on my own as well. heck i
    landed here on usenet cause i just end up getting banned elsewhere for whatever the fuck reasons...

    > censorship based moderation was such goddamn a mistake
    >
    > #god

    if there's one thing i could use on this planet: it's some kind of in-group.

    i feel so alone most of the time



      > which only a total intellectual dud would accept
      >
      > #god


    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the
    middle east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable in
    the long run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in
    order to seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign
    strike on american soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy,
    or facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining






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  • From Esrimushmoneh@[email protected] to comp.theory on Tue Jun 9 10:00:01 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 2026-06-09, olcott <[email protected]> wrote:
    Your idea flunks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
    by too much. It is just too convoluted.

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor:
    The philosophical razor advocates that when presented with competing hypotheses about the same prediction and both hypotheses have equal explanatory power, one should prefer the hypothesis that requires the fewest assumptions,[4] and that this is not meant to be a way of choosing between hypotheses that make different predictions.

    One hypothesis predicts there being a conspiracy by the government while the other predicts there being a conspiracy by Bin Laden. The predictions are not equal. Hence Occam's Razor does not apply.

    If the government really did show suspicious behaviour then that's only accounted for by the government conspiracy theory and not by the Bin Laden conspiracy theory. Occam's Razor is not meant to prefer simple incorrect theories above complex correct theories.

    Simplicity isn't evidence anyway. If it were then we would be to assume that nothing exists because the simplest theory of the universe is that nothing exists. Everything flunks your version of Occam's Razor because everything is more complex than nothing.
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  • From Dude@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Tue Jun 9 19:24:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 5:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 2:22 PM, Dude wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 12:51 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planted
    destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder connections >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that
    looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, let
    alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large
    buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety
    standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seal the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already
    funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the >>>>>>>>>>>> soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which >>>>>>>>>>>> they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean >>>>>>>>>>>> covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners >>>>>>>>>>>> dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ >>>>>>>>>>>>

    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings? >>>>>>>>>>
    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings with >>>>>>>>>> planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to >>>>>>>>>> bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other buildings >>>>>>>>>> being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew
    in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs
    inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to
    shred themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the
    buildings were designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a >>>>>>>> zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security
    contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part.


    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies >>>>>>>> would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of
    america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists. >>>>>

    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was
    necessary for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian
    airplanes into several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    So, it looks like a consensus has been reached on these boards:

    Nick's words on a screen inside a chat room; punctilious pedestal
    pedantic protestations that pale in comparison to the poetic plinth
    upon which we perch in the cloud.

    bro i get ur paid to cut off as much truthful discourse as possible, but
    the treasonous disservice u do ur country is almost as disgusting as how many children u've buried

    This should be a wrap up:

    So, Nick thinks the Jews hired the Saudis to use hijacked planes flying
    into the WTC, as a cover for the Jews to blow up the WTC-7, from within,
    with hidden explosives, because the lease on the building was held by a
    Jew named Silver Stein or Gold Man, thus proving that the Jews were
    behind the 9/11 WTC attack, from the inside, in the deep state, which is controlled by Jews under the supervision of Jared Kushner and his
    mother, Ivanka Trump.

    But, Olcott is treasonous and buried all the native school children at
    native schools in Canada?

    Alright then, that's a wrap.

    ;
    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the
    middle east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable in
    the long run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in
    order to seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign
    strike on american soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy,
    or facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining






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  • From dart200@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Tue Jun 9 20:27:53 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/9/26 7:24 PM, Dude wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 5:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 2:22 PM, Dude wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 12:51 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planted
    destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that
    looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapsed due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, let
    alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large
    buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety
    standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seal the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already >>>>>>>>>>>>> funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the >>>>>>>>>>>>> soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which >>>>>>>>>>>>> they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean >>>>>>>>>>>>> covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners >>>>>>>>>>>>> dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings? >>>>>>>>>>>
    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings >>>>>>>>>>> with
    planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to >>>>>>>>>>> bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other
    buildings being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew >>>>>>>>>> in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs >>>>>>>>>> inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to >>>>>>>>> shred themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the
    buildings were designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a >>>>>>>>> zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security >>>>>>>>> contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part. >>>>>>>>>>

    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies >>>>>>>>> would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of
    america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists. >>>>>>

    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was
    necessary for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian
    airplanes into several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    So, it looks like a consensus has been reached on these boards:

    Nick's words on a screen inside a chat room; punctilious pedestal
    pedantic protestations that pale in comparison to the poetic plinth
    upon which we perch in the cloud.

    bro i get ur paid to cut off as much truthful discourse as possible,
    but the treasonous disservice u do ur country is almost as disgusting
    as how many children u've buried

    This should be a wrap up:

    So, Nick thinks the Jews hired the Saudis to use hijacked planes flying
    into the WTC, as a cover for the Jews to blow up the WTC-7, from within, with hidden explosives, because the lease on the building was held by a
    Jew named Silver Stein or Gold Man, thus proving that the Jews were
    behind the 9/11 WTC attack, from the inside, in the deep state, which is controlled by Jews under the supervision of Jared Kushner and his
    mother, Ivanka Trump.

    stay mad dud ✌️

    they should prolly cur ur pay paycheque, cause u can't stop this truth
    from coming out no matter how hard u try


    But, Olcott is treasonous and buried all the native school children at native schools in Canada?

    Alright then, that's a wrap.

    ;
    because they wanted the american military to help restructure the
    middle east around ethno-states they thought would be more stable
    in the long run (which didn't work out) ...

    the zionists are the ones who actually blew up the buildings in
    order to seal the deal in what looked like the largest foreign
    strike on american soil ever

    do u have something more to say other than either blatant fallacy,
    or facts that don't actually contradict the truth i'm explaining






    --
    why are we god?
    let's end war 🙃

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  • From Dude@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Wed Jun 10 16:28:00 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 8:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 6:45 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 6:58 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 12:51 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 1:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:46 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 9:22 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 11:02 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/8/26 7:27 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/8/2026 8:52 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 08:10:53 -0500, olcott <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On 6/8/2026 1:07 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott
    <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planted
    destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of _every_
    column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has to be
    taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlike WTC1/2 it
    was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.

    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly normal
    office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across *all*
    structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argument from NIST
    that:
        - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all
    structural
    columns
        - (b) didn't result in a progression that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remotely
    matches the
    videos
        - (c) didn't model column-girder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections correctly
        - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> girders to
    the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that
    looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are in
    doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnessing it
    really has made me question the nature of human >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of an
    type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collapsed due to
    fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _very_ few
    examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, let
    alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large
    buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety
    standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world quite
    well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government would murder thousands of US citizens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for political advantage is (at that time) too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overall


    I personally know a guy that honestly believes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed
    and were planted in the minds of witnesses through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CIA mind
    control devices. What about the video tapes? What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to form a
    guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger umbrella
    of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known laws of
    conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have with the
    official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by airplanes
    does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airplane, yet
    it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's footprint

    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and concluded
    the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seal the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already >>>>>>>>>>>>> funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the >>>>>>>>>>>>> soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which >>>>>>>>>>>>> they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean >>>>>>>>>>>>> covertly, so they
    did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners >>>>>>>>>>>>> dummy, and the
    muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Some Mulsim jihadists were hired by the CIA to give
    up their lives to promote a war against their own
    countries? This plan was executed so poorly that
    someone else had to also plant explosives in the buildings? >>>>>>>>>>>
    Because, you see, the original plan was to hit all buildings >>>>>>>>>>> with
    planes, but that one got missed.  So it became necessary to >>>>>>>>>>> bomb that
    one separately immediately in concert with the other
    buildings being
    hit.

    Got that?  Simple, right?

    The only way the "inside job" notion works is if they knew >>>>>>>>>> in advance that the planes would not work, thus plant bombs >>>>>>>>>> inside the building before this.

    yes, they knew the jets weren't gunna cause the buildings to >>>>>>>>> shred themselves into oblivion like what we saw. heck the
    buildings were designed to withstand such impacts

    furthermore: not only were the buildings leased to and run by a >>>>>>>>> zionist joo with direct personal ties to bibi, the security >>>>>>>>> contract for the buildings was also to a zionist joo


    Getting Muslim Jihadists to give up their lives for
    the political interests of the USA is the impossible part. >>>>>>>>>>

    like i said: they didn't waltz in and just ask if the muzzies >>>>>>>>> would love to suicide for the sake of bring the weight of
    america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_ ...

    Yes that would be nuts.

    they obviously found an extremist cell and supported it

    Still nuts.

    zionist warhawk joos _are_ nuts...


    You can't even pay attention that Muslim Jihadists are not Zionists. >>>>>>

    correct. zionists are _not_ muslim jihadists, keep up the good
    observations there polcott 👍👍👍

    zionist warhawks worked to provide keystone support that was
    necessary for an extremist muzzie cell to fly several civilian
    airplanes into several buildings,


    Yes and they also snuck into the buildings late at night
    and planted explosives in every stairwell because they
    already knew that the planes would be ineffective.

    stairwells??? nah, the elevator shafts bro. the 1999 they started a
    several year long elevator overhaul for the twin towers, and by the
    time of 9/11 several had been out of commission for months. u have to
    understand that the towers had a framed tube design. the outer facade
    was a major structural system that supported at least 40% of the
    vertical load plus resisted the variable lateral wind loads, while
    the inner tube concentrated /around the elevator shafts/ carried 60%
    of the vertical building load.

    as for WTC7 - floor 14 was confirmed entirely vacant, while floors
    5-7 featured only electrical equipment for the electrical substation
    built beneath the building.

    bruh they spend years planning this, including the R&D for the kinds
    of novel thermitic explosives they'd need to reduce the sound/
    pressure signatures enough for plausible deniability


    So that the bombs would not be noticed in the stairwell they
    cloaked them with magic invisibility cloaks from Harry Potter.

    honestly the way this was treated after is such a goddamn giant
    glaring neon sign for conspiracy. in a normal building investigation,
    you know where the govt wasn't trying to force a premeditated
    conclusion... investigators would be given unrestricted access to the
    debris field.

    in 911 the steel was almost entirely shipped off for scrap as soon as
    possible. by the time NIST was formally commissions to lead the full-
    scale investigation in August of 2002 (a year late), they ended up
    only 236 specific structural artifacts to do testing with from WTC1/
    WTC2 ... and exactly 0 for WTC7

    nvm the fact they never released the collapse simulations for any of
    them. the WTC7 excuse is especially egregious as they claim it was
    caused by a fire. instead of releasing it so engineers can learn how
    to engineer around the problem of a single column failed caused
    progressive and catastrophic collapse of the building, and like
    ensuring current designs aren't susceptible for it ... they withheld
    the simulation on grounds they wouldn't want it to become a blueprint
    for further terrorist fire-induced collapse incidents.


    It makes sense that they would not seriously consider planes not
    flying into buildings as an alternative.

    actually giving that this killed 3000 people, ensuring we consider and
    rule out all possible alternatives such that we're _absolutely_ sure why everything happened before smelting _almost all_ the evidence /and then spending trillions on decades of war/

    ...would make the _most_ sense, no?


    If you see and feel a fist punch you in the face it seems to
    make no sense to retroactively consider maybe it was not a fist
    at all.

    Your idea flunks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
    by too much. It is just too convoluted.

    i'm always cautious with occam's razor because applying it wantonly can
    lead to fallacy of simplicity, but actually the choice for causes of collapse are:

    a) explosives (plane crashes were misdirection)

    b) plane crashes that the building was engineered to handle + novel unintentional fire induced progressive collapse that no one is actually treating as a meaningful threat even 25 years later...

    strictly from a physical simplicity point of view i'm pretty sure
    explosives wins out

    Bottom line is that It seems too implausible to me that even
    the most evil US  operatives would be evil enough to knowingly
    murder thousands of US citizen civilians for political and/or
    financial gain.

    i'm pretty sure it would be mossad operatives planting and pushing the buttons, not americans. the zionists are currently busy committing a genocide in their end of the world, so i wouldn't put it past them to
    commit such an act, tbh

    Apparently, the Zionists are currently eliminating all the Islamic
    terrorist leaders in Iran and bombing their headquarters in Lebanon to
    rubble. I'm pretty sure Mossad is operating inside Lebanon and Iran,
    pushing the buttons and directing the self-defense of Israel.
    and yes i could see religious zealotry committing such an act: since
    that is what zionism is. the joos try sanity-wash that story as much as possible, and they're quite good at it, the _best_ even...

    It's in th Qoran - kill all the Jews!

    Apparently, you have not read The Satanic Verses. Why not?

    ; but lies won't stand the test of time

    ; #god

    The 9/11 terrorist attacks on the Twin Towers took place in the year
    2001 when you were just still in diapers! What would you know?


    tbh in my view, given the geopolitical consideration, we either take
    this one apart, or it may just take us apart to be frank. we really need
    to drain the epstein class swamp before it starts a ai-psychosis induced nuclear war

    So, your conspiracy theory of the 9/11 WTC attack was a deep state
    conspiracy and a coverup for a Jewish sex ring involving politicians and Hollywood stars like Tom Hanks and even Royalty.

    All in the secret, hidden, Epstein files.


    Conspiracy theory minded people never seem to be able to accurately
    assess the distinction between reasonably plausible and unreasonably
    implausible. They generally use their "in group" as a poor proxy
    for this.

    i don't have much an "in group" dud. u've seen me push back against the halting problem here in comp.theory for almost a year now mostly on my
    own for the most part. i push for 9/11 mostly on my own as well. heck i landed here on usenet cause i just end up getting banned elsewhere for whatever the fuck reasons...

    The claim you are referring to is entirely false and fabricated,
    originating from a mashup of internet rumors and memes made up by
    informants which have all been refuted and found to be spurious, crude
    and biased.
    ; censorship based moderation was such goddamn a mistake

    It's the Quran because shut up.
    ; #god

    if there's one thing i could use on this planet: it's some kind of in- group.

    Thank God! You found us.


    i feel so alone most of the time
    So, you came here for enlightenment.
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  • From Dude@[email protected] to alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,alt.messianic,comp.theory,sci.logic,sci.skeptic on Fri Jun 12 18:01:28 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.theory

    On 6/8/2026 12:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 11:07 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:58 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:35 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:29 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 10:06 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 20:19:32 -0500, olcott <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    On 6/7/2026 8:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 5:52 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 7:29 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 5:49 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 12:34 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/7/2026 12:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
    On 6/7/26 8:07 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
    On Sun, 7 Jun 2026 16:44:14 +0200, Moebius
    <[email protected]d>
    wrote:

    Am 07.06.2026 um 15:23 schrieb dart200:
    On 6/6/26 7:04 PM, Dude wrote:

    The 9/11 fall of WTC-7 was not an inside planted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destruction
    job.

    fires don't cause near-simultaneous failure of _every_ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> column
    in the
    building

    Hint: This was not just an ordinary "fire". This has to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taken in
    consideration.

    WTC7 involved a fairly normal office fire, unlike WTC1/2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
    not hit by a jet


    Sophisticated Computer-simulations have SHOWN that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course
    of events
    is totally "plausible" i.e. possible in this case. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    uhhh ... no computer simulation has shown how a fairly normal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> office fire can cause near-simultaneous failure across *all* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural columns

    there is an incredibly weak, "official" argument from NIST >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that:
       - (a) didn't show near-simultaneous failure of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural
    columns
       - (b) didn't result in a progression that remotely >>>>>>>>>>>>>> matches the
    videos
       - (c) didn't model column-girder connections correctly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - (d) didn't model shear studs bolting the girders to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the floor
    above

    they left out details and didn't produce anything that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like
    the videos. it is incredible how unwilling most people are in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing just a modicum of critical thinking, and witnessing it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really has made me question the nature of human
    intelligence...

    it is worth noting that WTC7 is the *only* example of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> type-1
    fire- safe skyscraper proposed to have collapsed due to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire as
    the primary and sole cause. there are in fact _very_ few >>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
    of skyscrapers collapsing at all, let alone fully, let >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone due
    to fire, across the entire history of building large >>>>>>>>>>>>>> buildings.
    which is really quite amazing considering our safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>> standards in
    building these things even penetrates the 3rd world quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.


    The alternative back in Sept 2011 that the US
    government would murder thousands of US citizens
    for political advantage is (at that time) too
    unreasonably implausible.

    it was zionists in the US govt, not the US govt overall >>>>>>>>>>>>

    I personally know a guy that honestly believes that the
    airplanes that crashed into the twin towers never existed >>>>>>>>>>> and were planted in the minds of witnesses through CIA mind >>>>>>>>>>> control devices. What about the video tapes? What about
    the airplane wreckage?

    It is possible that a giant purple space alien that
    is living inside the hollow Moon did it. It is not
    reasonable plausible.


    this is called a nut-picking fallacy, in an attempt to form a >>>>>>>>>> guilt-
    by- association fallacy, which falls under the larger umbrella >>>>>>>>>> of red
    herrings,

    i assure you that nothing about 9/11 truth breaks known laws of >>>>>>>>>> conventional physics,

    and rather unexplained physics is a contention i have with the >>>>>>>>>> official narrative


    Believing that it is an inside job ignores the airplanes.
    Believing that the airplanes never existed resolves this.


    WTC1 and WTC2 were hit by airplanes, but getting hit by
    airplanes does
    _not_ contradict the subsequent demolitions...

    WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper, was not even hit by an airplane, >>>>>>>> yet it was
    _also_ demolitioned, to collapse at free fall into it's footprint >>>>>>>
    Believing that the whole thing was an inside job
    is totally nuts, are you totally nuts?

    oooh, good one.  Now all you need to do is convince him that the
    experts who spent three years analyzing what happened and concluded >>>>>> the building was not destroyed by a bomb actually might know
    something
    he does not.

    Not at all.
    We use Socratic Questioning and ask him:
    How the Hell do you explain the airplanes in any
    "inside job" narrative?

    BZZZTT Bing short-circuit !!!


    because airplanes hit the buildings to put all the attention and
    blame on muzzies ...

    and then zionist warhawk joos blew up the buildings to seal the deal
    for the _wAr On TeRrOR_

    neither of these fact contradict each other, u've short-circuited
    nothing


    You just showed the short-circuit.
    You cannot coherently explain the airplanes
    within the frame-of-reference of an "inside job".


    yes you can. the cia, saudis, and mossad had already funneled billions
    of USD and weapons to mujahideen in the 80s to fight the soviets. they
    already knew they way around funding afgan bushmen. which they helped
    covertly train and execute for the 911 job. and i mean covertly, so
    they did this using assets who didn't come off as westerners dummy,
    and the muzzies were ofc happy to oblige.

    i'm not denying that the muzzies didn't play their part. not every
    religion is it so easy to put together a plane full of fucking suicide terrorists...

    my prescription there is the same prescription everyone:

      > free speech or get glassed
      >
      > #god

    The should be a wrap: free speech or get nuked. Nice!



    the point was to enter america into the _wAr On TeRrOR_



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